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flying(at)qdea.com
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:46 am Post subject: Lightning crosswind ability

What is a reasonable maximum crosswind component for a Lightning?



What have pilots successfully landed in? Would you do it again, or 

did the experience bring new meaning to the term "personal limits" ?



What's a reasonable crosswind component for a pilot with recent 

crosswind experience?



Is anyone willing to mention or propose the equivalent of "maximum 

demonstrated crosswind component" ?



Hugh Sontag

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EAFerguson(at)aol.com
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:12 am Post subject: Lightning crosswind ability

In a message dated 6/6/2008 12:47:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, flying(at)qdea.com writes:

 

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		  What is a reasonable maximum crosswind component for a Lightning?

 	


 Hugh,

 

 I have several landings and TOs with a 15K cross wind component on a dry runway. Two persons aboard at close to max gross, the aircraft could handle more crosswind. 

 

 However, on a wet runway and at lighter weights, I have had the aircraft skid sideways. 

 On nice wide runways this isn't a problem, although a bit disconcerting. Since I usually fly solo, I would prefer less camber that is provided to reduce this tendency. I discussed this with Nick, and Arion's position is that the camber is set for max gross weight. Nick may want to respond on this point.

 

 Simple answer: At least 15 K on a dry runway at heavier weights. At lighter weights and on wet or narrow runways, do be careful. 

 

 Personal experience, not be be taken as gospel. Your mileage may vary.

 

 Earl Freguson

 N17EF  

 

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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:22 am Post subject: Lightning crosswind ability

In a message dated 6/6/2008 12:47:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  flying(at)qdea.com writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		  What is    a reasonable maximum crosswind component for a Lightning?



What have    pilots successfully landed in? Would you do it again, or 

did the    experience bring new meaning to the term "personal limits" ?



What's a    reasonable crosswind component for a pilot with recent 

crosswind    experience?



Is anyone willing to mention or propose the equivalent of    "maximum 

demonstrated crosswind component" ?

	


 

 Hugh,

     Not sure what you mean by that last statement, but  here are some "answers" to your other questions.

 I am pretty sure that Nick currently uses 15 knots as the max demonstrated  crosswind for the Lightning.  He and I have both landed the Lightning  in "somewhat" more.  The most I have had to deal with was a direct 17  gusting to the high twenties.  The runway was long and wide and the  Lightning handled it well.  Actually I was flying Linda's  Lightning on its third flight and the "weather changed" - so to speak.   

     As to "what is reasonable crosswind component for a  pilot with recent crosswind experience" the answer is it depends.  It  depends not only on the pilot recent experience but also depends on the  following:

 -what kind of airplane was that recent experience in?

 -what was the recent cross component that the pilot handled?

 -is the cross wind steady or gusting?

 -how wide (and long is the runway)?

 -is the runway dry?

 -have you practiced landings with less than normal flaps (30 degrees)  recently?  (stall speed will vary with flaps used and aircraft weight at  the time of landing.  The lower the stall speed the more cross control you  will need to use to counter the x-wind.  The Lightning has sufficient  control to handle more than the 15 knots if the pilot has the recent experience  and proficiency)  

 -is there a divert airport with a runway more into the wind?

 You may be able to think of other variables as well, but you get the  point.  Flying is a process of continually making decisions.  The more  experience and data points you have in your "bag of tricks" the better off you  are.  In fact, I am sure that is why you posed the question - more info for  your "bag of tricks".

 Blue Skies,

 Buz



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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:32 am Post subject: Lightning crosswind ability

Earl; how would you compare the rudder authority of the lightning say, compared to a 172?



 On 6/6/08, EAFerguson(at)aol.com (EAFerguson(at)aol.com) <EAFerguson(at)aol.com (EAFerguson(at)aol.com)> wrote: [quote]In a message dated 6/6/2008 12:47:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, flying(at)qdea.com (flying(at)qdea.com) writes:

 

  	  Quote: 	
		  What is a reasonable maximum crosswind component for a Lightning?

	


Hugh,



I have several landings and TOs with a 15K cross wind component on a dry runway. Two persons aboard at close to max gross, the aircraft could handle more crosswind. 

 

However, on a wet runway and at lighter weights, I have had the aircraft skid sideways. 

On nice wide runways this isn't a problem, although a bit disconcerting. Since I usually fly solo, I would prefer less camber that is provided to reduce this tendency. I discussed this with Nick, and Arion's position is that the camber is set for max gross weight. Nick may want to respond on this point.

 

Simple answer: At least 15 K on a dry runway at heavier weights. At lighter weights and on wet or narrow runways, do be careful. 



Personal experience, not be be taken as gospel. Your mileage may vary.



Earl Freguson

 N17EF  



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flying(at)qdea.com
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:22 pm Post subject: Lightning crosswind ability

Buz,



I understand what you're getting at. The pilot's experience and 

ability, coupled with other environmental factors such as gusts, 

runway condition, etc. in a crosswind situation is as important as 

the characteristics of the aircraft.



I was trying to get some information on what those with some 

experience with the Lightning found with regard to the 

characteristics of the aircraft in crosswind situations, and you and 

Earl have done that.



Thanks!

Hugh Sontag



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		  In a message dated 6/6/2008 12:47:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 

flying(at)qdea.com writes:



What is a reasonable maximum crosswind component for a Lightning?



What have pilots successfully landed in? Would you do it again, or

did the experience bring new meaning to the term "personal limits" ?



What's a reasonable crosswind component for a pilot with recent

crosswind experience?



Is anyone willing to mention or propose the equivalent of "maximum

demonstrated crosswind component" ?



Hugh,

     Not sure what you mean by that last statement, but here are some 

"answers" to your other questions.

I am pretty sure that Nick currently uses 15 knots as the max 

demonstrated crosswind for the Lightning.  He and I have both landed 

the Lightning in "somewhat" more.  The most I have had to deal with 

was a direct 17 gusting to the high twenties.  The runway was long 

and wide and the Lightning handled it well.  Actually I was 

flying Linda's Lightning on its third flight and the "weather 

changed" - so to speak.

     As to "what is reasonable crosswind component for a pilot with 

recent crosswind experience" the answer is it depends.  It depends 

not only on the pilot recent experience but also depends on the 

following:

-what kind of airplane was that recent experience in?

-what was the recent cross component that the pilot handled?

-is the cross wind steady or gusting?

-how wide (and long is the runway)?

-is the runway dry?

-have you practiced landings with less than normal flaps (30 

degrees) recently?  (stall speed will vary with flaps used and 

aircraft weight at the time of landing.  The lower the stall speed 

the more cross control you will need to use to counter the x-wind. 

The Lightning has sufficient control to handle more than the 15 

knots if the pilot has the recent experience and proficiency)

-is there a divert airport with a runway more into the wind?

You may be able to think of other variables as well, but you get the 

point.  Flying is a process of continually making decisions.  The 

more experience and data points you have in your "bag of tricks" the 

better off you are.  In fact, I am sure that is why you posed the 

question - more info for your "bag of tricks".

Blue Skies,

Buz

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