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sales(at)billandruth.net
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Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 8:27 am Post subject: Fatal Lightning Aircraft Crash

I am very sad to inform the list that Gerald Van Hesswyk (Jerry) has died in an aircraft crash while flying his Lightning.  The crash was reported yesterday evening via TV.  The URL for the newspaper story is: 

 http://www.azstarnet.com/metro/241810

 

 Jerry's Lightning is serial number 7 according to the March 2008 Newsletter.

 

 I met and talked to Jerry a number of times and found him to be a very enthusiastic builder, always willing to give great advice on how to proceed in the build process.  Aviation was a real love for him and it showed in the way he communicated his building experiences when I talked to him.  I will miss his friendly helpful attitude and his willingness to share what he knew and learned about his Lightning and aviation in general.  

 

 Bill Applegate, Tucson, Arizona

 

 

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Rick

Joined: 24 Jul 2006
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Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 8:57 am Post subject: Fatal Lightning Aircraft Crash

I am SO sorry to hear about this.....

 My condolences, thoughts and prayers go out to the family of Jerry.

 Rick

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		    Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:24:34 -0700

From: sales(at)billandruth.net

To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Fatal Lightning Aircraft Crash



 I am very sad to inform the list that Gerald Van Hesswyk (Jerry) has died in an aircraft crash while flying his Lightning.  The crash was reported yesterday evening via TV.  The URL for the newspaper story is: 

http://www.azstarnet.com/metro/241810



Jerry's Lightning is serial number 7 according to the March 2008 Newsletter.



I met and talked to Jerry a number of times and found him to be a very enthusiastic builder, always willing to give great advice on how to proceed in the build process.  Aviation was a real love for him and it showed in the way he communicated his building experiences when I talked to him.  I will miss his friendly helpful attitude and his willingness to share what he knew and learned about his Lightning and aviation in general.  



Bill Applegate, Tucson, Arizona

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Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:24 am Post subject: Fatal Lightning Aircraft Crash

Same here.

  

 Always a tragic event not only for the family, but aircraft community as a whole.

  

 I read the article and I guess the FAA will need to sort things out to determine the cause.

  

 Jim!



 

 On 6/2/08, Rick Bowen <rollnloop(at)hotmail.com (rollnloop(at)hotmail.com)> wrote: [quote] I am SO sorry to hear about this.....

My condolences, thoughts and prayers go out to the family of Jerry.

Rick

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		    Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:24:34 -0700

From: sales(at)billandruth.net (sales(at)billandruth.net)

To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com (lightning-list(at)matronics.com)

 Subject: Fatal Lightning Aircraft Crash



I am very sad to inform the list that Gerald Van Hesswyk (Jerry) has died in an aircraft crash while flying his Lightning.  The crash was reported yesterday evening via TV.  The URL for the newspaper story is: 

 http://www.azstarnet.com/metro/241810



Jerry's Lightning is serial number 7 according to the March 2008 Newsletter.

 

I met and talked to Jerry a number of times and found him to be a very enthusiastic builder, always willing to give great advice on how to proceed in the build process.  Aviation was a real love for him and it showed in the way he communicated his building experiences when I talked to him.  I will miss his friendly helpful attitude and his willingness to share what he knew and learned about his Lightning and aviation in general.  

 

Bill Applegate, Tucson, Arizona

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Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:44 am Post subject: Fatal Lightning Aircraft Crash

Passing along my condolences, as well, to the family of Jerry.                         Charles 



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		   From: Jim Langley <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>

 Subject: Re: Fatal Lightning Aircraft Crash

 To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com

 Date: Monday, June 2, 2008, 1:22 PM

 Same here.

 

 Always a tragic event not only for the family, but aircraft

 community as a

 whole.

 

 I read the article and I guess the FAA will need to sort

 things out to

 determine the cause.

 

 Jim!

 

 

 On 6/2/08, Rick Bowen <rollnloop(at)hotmail.com> wrote:

 >

 > I am SO sorry to hear about this.....

 > My condolences, thoughts and prayers go out to the

 family of Jerry.

 > Rick

 > N727RB

 >

 >

 >  ------------------------------

 > Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:24:34 -0700

 > From: sales(at)billandruth.net

 > To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com

 > Subject: Fatal Lightning Aircraft

 Crash

 >

 > I am very sad to inform the list that Gerald Van

 Hesswyk (Jerry) has died

 > in an aircraft crash while flying his Lightning.  The

 crash was reported

 > yesterday evening via TV.  The URL for the newspaper

 story is:

 > http://www.azstarnet.com/metro/241810

 >

 > Jerry's Lightning is serial number 7 according to

 the March 2008

 > Newsletter.

 >

 > I met and talked to Jerry a number of times and found

 him to be a very

 > enthusiastic builder, always willing to give great

 advice on how to proceed

 > in the build process.  Aviation was a real love for

 him and it showed in the

 > way he communicated his building experiences when I

 talked to him.  I will

 > miss his friendly helpful attitude and his willingness

 to share what he knew

 > and learned about his Lightning and aviation in

 general.

 >

 > Bill Applegate, Tucson, Arizona

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pete(at)flylightning.net
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Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 10:35 am Post subject: Fatal Lightning Aircraft Crash

To all Lightning list members,  

   

Jerry Van Heeswyk was killed in a crash of his Lightning – Serial number 7 – Sunday afternoon.  The crash occurred near Greg Hobbs airstrip in Marana  AZ.  

   

All of us at Arion Aircraft extend our most sincere condolences to Jerry’s family.  

   

We will post all facts as we gather them about the crash and factors that may have contributed to the crash.  Nick will be in Marana tomorrow and will inspect the wreckage to gather information and facts about the accident.  Right now we can report that the prop and prop hub departed the aircraft at some point a good distance before the point of impact.  We do not have additional facts at this time.  

   

We will pass on any other facts that we gather to the Lightning community and will assist the FAA and NTSB with their investigation and will report any conclusions from those groups.  

   

Again, our condolences to Jerry’s family.  

   

Pete Krotje  

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Colin K.

Joined: 04 Sep 2006
Posts: 157
Location: Oklahoma

Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:51 am Post subject: Fatal Lightning Aircraft Crash

My deepest condolences to Jerry's family and friends.



I did not meet Jerry but shared his interests and experience through this list.



I am sure we are all deeply saddened.



Colin K.

#52 



---- Pete <pete(at)flylightning.net> wrote: 

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		   To all Lightning list members,

 

  

 

 Jerry Van Heeswyk was killed in a crash of his Lightning - Serial number 7 -

 Sunday afternoon.  The crash occurred near Greg Hobbs airstrip in Marana AZ.

 

  

 

 All of us at Arion Aircraft extend our most sincere condolences to Jerry's

 family.

 

  

 

 We will post all facts as we gather them about the crash and factors that

 may have contributed to the crash.  Nick will be in Marana tomorrow and will

 inspect the wreckage to gather information and facts about the accident.

 Right now we can report that the prop and prop hub departed the aircraft at

 some point a good distance before the point of impact.  We do not have

 additional facts at this time.

 

  

 

 We will pass on any other facts that we gather to the Lightning community

 and will assist the FAA and NTSB with their investigation and will report

 any conclusions from those groups.

 

  

 

 Again, our condolences to Jerry's family.

 

  

 

 Pete Krotje

 

 Nick Otterback

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luigit(at)freemail.it
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Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:33 pm Post subject: Fatal Lightning Aircraft Crash

My  condolences to Jerry's family and to the whole Lightning/Esqual  family.         

Luigi Di Napoli          

Rome,Italy         

          

         --- Messaggio originale ---         --> Lightning-List message posted by:                   My deepest condolences to Jerry's family and friends.                   I did not meet Jerry but shared his interests and experience through this list.                   I am sure we are all deeply saddened.                   Colin K.          #52                                     ---- Pete wrote:          > To all Lightning list members,          >          >          >          > Jerry Van Heeswyk was killed in a crash of his Lightning - Serial number 7 -          > Sunday afternoon. The crash occurred near Greg Hobbs airstrip in Marana AZ.          >          >          >          > All of us at Arion Aircraft extend our most sincere condolences to Jerry's          > family.          >          >          >          > We will post all facts as we gather them about the crash and factors that          > may have contributed to the crash. Nick will be in Marana tomorrow and will          > inspect the wreckage to gather information and facts about the accident.          > Right now we can report that the prop and prop hub departed the aircraft at          > some point a good distance before the point of impact. We do not have          > additional facts at this time.          >          >          >          > We will pass on any other facts that we gather to the Lightning community          > and will assist the FAA and NTSB with their investigation and will report          > any conclusions from those groups.          >          >          >          > Again, our condolences to Jerry's family.          >          >          >          > Pete Krotje          >          > Nick Otterback          >          >                                                            



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Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 2:32 pm Post subject: Fatal Lightning Aircraft Crash

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jhausch

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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 2:31 am Post subject: Fatal Lightning Aircraft Crash

Well said, Brian.  

   

My condolences to Jerry’s family and friends.  

   

Regards,

 Jim Hausch

 

   

   

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jhausch

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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:27 am Post subject: Re: Fatal Lightning Aircraft Crash

Respectfully, when might we get some add'l news on this unfortunate accident?

Clive J

Joined: 03 Nov 2007
Posts: 340
Location: UK

Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:58 am Post subject: Fatal Lightning Aircraft Crash

Some info to be gleaned from the Jabiru engines lists, CJ 



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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:00 am Post subject: Fatal Lightning Aircraft Crash

In a message dated 6/6/2008 10:31:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  jhausch(at)charter.net writes:

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		  Respectfully,  when might we get some add'l news on this    unfortunate accident?



	


 

  

 I'm sympathetic about your interest, but it prompts my problem-solving  inclination.  In my opinion the accident  breaks down into two  parts.

  

 1) The prop went away in flight but was recovered whole.  that means  the prop flange to engine components failed for some reason.....metal fatigue,  bad bolts, or loose bolts.   I am betting on loose or bad  bolts....since no other Jabs have lost the prop.  Even when Nick hit the  turkey vulture in flight with the prop, splintering it into toothpicks, the  flange was fine and is still flying.

     

     We will likely get some definitive statement in the  coming months, but it is safe to say that checking the prop to engine attachment  by wiggling the prop is a must before flights, in my opinion.  I am  suggesting a careful wiggle in the 12 oclock and also in the 9 oclock  position.  It shouldn't wiggle at all, but be sure it is not the engine  mounts.  Might not be a bad idea to check the torque on the flange bolts  soon.

  

     I dont expect much more on that subject until the  metallurgical data comes in.

  

 2) The second issue is the piloting after the prop went away.  It  think is a reasonable conclusion that there was some loss of control with a  resulting impact.   Whatever the details, I think the lesson to  all of us is to practice emergency procedures and to always have a  plan to land when flying below 2,000 feet agl.   

  

 I observe that the Lightning is a "step-up" airplane for a good portion of  the builders and requires more attention than their previous birds.  Things  happen faster.   People want responsive controls, but that  responsiveness  means you get into trouble much faster, particularly if  destracted.  I see panels getting cluttered with lots of information-giving  instruments.   Perhaps the first emergency procedure if you are less  than 2,000 feet agl  should be to shut off the Master  Switch!!!!   That would focus attention on flying and landing rather  than the panel!   Of course it would also mean you should wire your  flaps (and boost pump) directly to the battery, since not using flaps on landing  has also contributed to accidents.

  

 My real point is that having sound emergency procedures that focus on  flying the plane is important and must be practiced.  On my first flight in  a Lightning, to get the feel of the plane, I did a simulated approach and  takeoff at a paved runway and had the engine quit at about 500 feet just  after I passed the end of the runway.  While thinking about wether to land  in the trees or the Potomac River, "  I hit the boost pump and changed  tanks.  I had practiced that response previously, so it was  automatic.  Thankfully the engine started running normally again and I went  to my home field and landed.  My practicing paid off.

  

 The actions of our departed colleague may be discussed at length as more is  known; however, the admonition will be the same.  1)  Fly the plane first .2)practice flying the plane first  3)plan to land when  the engine quits 4) dont make turns if possible.   

  

   I suppose I am a bit of an idealist, but I think we honor the memory  of a person by using their life as a lesson and admonition.   My  suggestion is that we adjust our flying behaviors and train ourselves to handle  similar emergencies as an offering of honor.... that is something we can do  right now.

  

 I have a feeling that more details about the pilots actions will not change  the conclusions we might make.

  

  

 Doug Koenigsberg

  



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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:56 am Post subject: Fatal Lightning Aircraft Crash

In a message dated 6/6/2008 12:02:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  Kayberg(at)AOL.COM writes:

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		  My real    point is that having sound emergency procedures that focus on flying the plane    is important and must be practiced. 	


 

 Right on Doug, in fact that is exactly what the Lightning Flight Manual  says in section 3, Emergency Procedures (see below).

 Blue Skies,

 Buz

  

  

NOTE 

In any emergency  situation the most important initial actions  are: 

·         First -  Maintain aircraft control 

·         Then - Analyze  the situation then take appropriate action 

·         Land as soon as  practicable. 

  

In other words: Do not forget  to FLY THE AIRCRAFT.



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14az(at)mysprocketmail.co
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:50 am Post subject: Fatal Lightning Aircraft Crash

I understand everyone wanting to know  everything about the crash, why and how.  That answer will most likely  take months.  Normally NTSB would not investigate the accident since it is  an experimental aircraft.  However, they are. This is good for us, as they  will inspect and test each possible area and when completed  report.  The preliminary copy is below.  http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp   Please note that as with all first reports, much of the information can be  wrong. Initial information is often from non-aviation observers. As for what  went wrong Lightning or other manufacturers would be involved in aiding the  investigation if requested and they volunteered to do so. If they aid in the  investigation they will not be allowed to discuss anything to anyone other then  the investigating team. Until the investigation is closed, only NTSB can release  information. If they find a major problem that effects safety of flight of all  similar equipment, normally, a notice could proceed a completed report.  

  

 Please don't guess.  For all those  that knew Jerry, flew and worked along side of him and were with him before and  after the crash, your guess and thoughts on what happened and what he did  after the prop left the aircraft is tearing us apart.  It will come out in  the report. I will say this, when wondering why he as a pilot did or did not  react, WE DO NOT KNOW. In combat my aircraft was hit and the explosion blew off  the front of the aircraft. The aircraft could still fly.  However, it  started falling out of control. My copilot/gunner took over and saved us because  on my lack of ability to react and fly. My excuse was I had a bullet logged in  my spine and could not react. During any incident when things come off or break  they do collateral damage. I DO NOT KNOW IF THIS HAPPENED TO JERRY. Please back  off and save the "what ifs" till we know all the facts.

  

 As for checking the torque on the flange  to crankshaft, DO IT BY THE BOOK ONLY. If you followed the Jabiru manual, when  assembling the aircraft you should be ok.  If you check the torque, then go  by the book. I have an electronic torque tester that must be used for this  operation. If you move the bolt, and you will, you must remove and reinstall per  the Jabriu instruction since you just destroyed the sealant. Use only the  prescribed sealant but check for new any sealants recommended.  

  

 It would be best for all of us to wait  for Arion to tell us what to do. Ok to question ourselves, but please stop  there. Some of us are very sensitive due  to loosing a good  friend.

 Johnny Thompson             NTSB Identification: SEA08LA149

14 CFR Part 91: General  Aviation

Accident occurred Sunday, June 01, 2008 in Marana, AZ

Aircraft:  Van Heeswyk Lightning, registration: N62JV

Injuries: 1 Fatal. 

 This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain  errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has  been completed.

On June 1, 2008 about 0816 mountain standard time,  an amateur built Van Heeswyk Lightning airplane, N62JV, registered to and  operated by the pilot, was substantially damaged when it impacted terrain while  maneuvering near Marana, Arizona. The private pilot, who was the sole occupant  of the airplane, was killed. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed and no  flight plan was filed for the personal local flight that was operated under the  provisions of Title 14 Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) Part 91. The flight  departed from Ryan Field Airport, Tucson, Arizona, about 0559.



Witnesses  located adjacent to the accident site reported observing the propeller assembly  separate from the airplane as it flew over their position. One witness stated  that after the propeller separated, the airplane pitched upwards and  subsequently descended into terrain. Another witness reported hearing the  "engine rev up" just prior to the airplane impacting the ground.  



Examination of the airplane by a Federal Aviation Administration (FAA)  inspector revealed that the airplane came to rest in an upright position within  an open field. The fuselage was partially separated aft of the cabin. All  primary flight controls were located within the accident site. The propeller  assembly and propeller flange extension were found separated from the engine and  were located about .62 miles southwest of the accident site. The wreckage was  recovered to a secure location for further examination

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pequeajim

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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:27 am Post subject: Fatal Lightning Aircraft Crash

Very well said Johnny.  The worst thing we can do is make "assumptions"

after the fact in a case like this.  This is the reason that I stopped

participating in the AOPA forums.  It runs wild with people that have little

respect for others in this kind of situation and make many assumptions even

before any kind of report is out.  My mind goes back to the P-51 crash last

year at Oshkosh on that one…



 The list has been pretty quiet over the past week, I believe out of respect

for Jerry.  We all feel your pain, perhaps not to the degree you do, but

nevertheless, we feel it.



Over time, the conversation on the list will pick up and the healing process

will take care of itself.



Until then, I agree with you that we would be best to keep our

interpretation and advice to ourselves until some kind of "official" report

is made.





On 6/6/08, Johnny Thompson <14az(at)mysprocketmail.com> wrote:

[quote]

  I understand everyone wanting to know everything about the crash, why and

 how.  That answer will most likely take months.  Normally NTSB would not

 investigate the accident since it is an experimental aircraft.  However,

 they are. This is good for us, as they will inspect and test each possible

 area and when completed report.  The preliminary copy is below.

 http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp  Please note that as with all first

 reports, much of the information can be wrong. Initial information is often

 from non-aviation observers. As for what went wrong Lightning or other

 manufacturers would be involved in aiding the investigation if requested and

 they volunteered to do so. If they aid in the investigation they will not be

 allowed to discuss anything to anyone other then the investigating team.

 Until the investigation is closed, only NTSB can release information. If

 they find a major problem that effects safety of flight of all similar

 equipment, normally, a notice could proceed a completed report.



 Please don't guess.  For all those that knew Jerry, flew and worked along

 side of him and were with him before and after the crash, your guess and

 thoughts on what happened and what he did after the prop left the aircraft

 is tearing us apart.  It will come out in the report. I will say this, when

 wondering why he as a pilot did or did not react, WE DO NOT KNOW. In combat

 my aircraft was hit and the explosion blew off the front of the aircraft.

 The aircraft could still fly.  However, it started falling out of control

jhausch

Joined: 14 Jan 2008
Posts: 35

Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:43 am Post subject: Re: Fatal Lightning Aircraft Crash

I am sorry for your loss and appreciate the direction to the NTSB site.  I am glad to hear they are involved in this investigation.  Although, if they normally do not investigate accidents of experimentals, I wonder why they are now.



I did not mean to start conjecture and speculation with my inquiry, I was only asking for any new information if available.



Respectfully,

Jim

14az(at)mysprocketmail.co
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:52 am Post subject: Fatal Lightning Aircraft Crash

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flying(at)qdea.com
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:33 pm Post subject: Fatal Lightning Aircraft Crash

I always thought that ultralight accidents were not investigated by 

Federal officals, but that accidents involving N-numbered aircraft 

always are.



As a friend of mine once said, from the point of view of the FAA, 

ultralights aren't airplanes, and therefore aren't regulated as such.



Hugh Sontag



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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:50 pm Post subject: Fatal Lightning Aircraft Crash

In a message dated 6/6/2008 1:51:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  14az(at)mysprocketmail.com writes:

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		     I understand everyone wanting to know    everything about the crash, why and how.  That answer will most    likely take months.  Normally NTSB would not investigate the accident    since it is an experimental aircraft.  However, they are. This is good    for us, as they will inspect and test each possible area and when completed    report.  The preliminary copy is below.  http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp     Please note that as with all first reports, much of the information can be    wrong. Initial information is often from non-aviation observers. As for what    went wrong Lightning or other manufacturers would be involved in aiding    the investigation if requested and they volunteered to do so. If they aid in    the investigation they will not be allowed to discuss anything to anyone other    then the investigating team. Until the investigation is closed, only NTSB can    release information. If they find a major problem that effects safety of    flight of all similar equipment, normally, a notice could proceed a    completed report. 

    

   Please don't guess.  For all    those that knew Jerry, flew and worked along side of him and were with him    before and after the crash, your guess and thoughts on what happened and    what he did after the prop left the aircraft is tearing us apart.     It will come out in the report. I will say this, when wondering why he as a    pilot did or did not react, WE DO NOT KNOW. In combat my aircraft was hit and    the explosion blew off the front of the aircraft. The aircraft could still    fly.  However, it started falling out of control. My copilot/gunner    took over and saved us because on my lack of ability to react and fly. My    excuse was I had a bullet logged in my spine and could not react. During any    incident when things come off or break they do collateral damage. I DO NOT    KNOW IF THIS HAPPENED TO JERRY. Please back off and save the "what ifs" till    we know all the facts.

    

   As for checking the torque on the    flange to crankshaft, DO IT BY THE BOOK ONLY. If you followed the Jabiru    manual, when assembling the aircraft you should be ok.  If you check the    torque, then go by the book. I have an electronic torque tester that must be    used for this operation. If you move the bolt, and you will, you must remove    and reinstall per the Jabriu instruction since you just destroyed the sealant.    Use only the prescribed sealant but check for new any sealants    recommended. 

    

   It would be best for all of us to wait    for Arion to tell us what to do. Ok to question ourselves, but please stop    there. Some of us are very sensitive due  to loosing a good    friend.

   Johnny Thompson                	


 

  

 Sorry, but I have to respond.

  

 First, I and everyone else that I have seen respond on this listserve joins  you in mourning a loss.  We all feel bad about this for a number of  reasons.  Most of us have lost friends in experimental aircraft accidents  and can remember the pain.  We are not trying to be insensitive.  I  had a ringside seat for the Mustang crash at OshKosh this past year.  I  still think about it.

  

 I do understand that none of us will know what really happened in the  cockpit on that fateful day.   I'm sure you are all considering  the implications also. 

  

 But out of a concern for those who are flying Lightnings even today, I  wanted to cut to some possible actions.  I  hope we can  separate out some emotions so we can move on at least with the mechanical  consequences.  So I beg to gently disagree with a couple things you  said.

  

 I'm stumbling over the "It would be best for all of us to wait for Arion to  tell us what to do."  Stating the obvious, Arion is not the manufacturer,  each builder/owner has that responsiblity.  Arion only supplies raw  materials that can be made into a flying machine.  Further, it does not  appear that the accident was caused by any airframe problems.  So I dont  see that Arion has any need to respond.

  

 It is another story with the Jabiru engine and perhaps the prop  manufacturer.  Clearly something happened.  As I noted previously and  so do you, we will have to wait for that report. No problem.  And I  understand it will probably be a BIG SECRET until then.   It is also a  sensitive legal issue, so that may come into play.

  

 Meantime, I think anyone who is flying a Lighting should give some thought  to the possible failure of the prop extension bolts and or  extension.   I think it is totally reasonable to offer possible causes  and possible preventions.   If there are things that can be done, we  should do them.   It may save a life if we all play detective and  check things out.   For example, if the failed prop was installed by  using an electronic torque tester, perhaps that is significant...or it would be  significant if it wasn't.   I remember thinking that where the  extension meets the crankshaft it must be clean so that it will all mate up  correctly.   We have observed that it is hard to get the bolts out  even if you heat them.   We also wonder what effects heating them have  on the bolts.   Could there be a problem with bolt length?    Could there be a problem with the threadlock? Do you need threadlock if you  are using safety wire?   I think we should discuss all this, conjection or  not.  

  

 I also have a high degree of skepticism when people want to "wait for the  government to do it".   I live 5 miles from the main Social  Security headquarters and in a welfare state.  I find my faith  in the Government to be challenged almost daily.  While there are  certainly talented people on the NTSB,  they may have other interests  leaning on them.  The crash of Steve Whitman and his wife being an  example.

  

 In the meantime, I think it is prudent to assume your prop could fly off  your plane during some flight operations.   Makes sense to me to have  a plan for if that happens. 

  

 I understand there is a time and place for truth to be told.  I would  just hope that real truth would not be withheld because someone might be  offended.   I would be very upset and pissed if withholding truth got  somebody hurt.  

  

 Just my opinion. 

  

 Doug Koenigsberg

  

  



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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:51 pm Post subject: Fatal Lightning Aircraft Crash

Johnny, 

      I wondered how you guys out west were doing.  I know Greg and his wife and that they will welcome you into their family from 

 day one.  Good people and I'm sure hard on them.  I appreciate your candid response and telling a very personal story that happened

 to you.  Maybe one of these days I'll get a chance to meet you in person and hear some good flying stories that I'm sure that you

 have.  Pilots tend to be a problem solving bunch and want to react quicker rather than later.  I think this is one of those times like when you've got a landing gear that won't come down.  No need to rush the trouble shooting, best to remain in a holding pattern for a while and trouble shoot when the time is appropriate.  There is something to be learned by every accident, incident, and the most often: personal almost uh ohs.  I have been around FAA and NTSB investigations before and they are a good bunch.  They'll find out what happened and make any recommendations that they think are needed.  Until that time any speculation is just that.  

  

 To everybody who has a current project I would like to encourage you to go on a flight when you're mentally prepared and focus on the basics of altitude, airspeed, checklist usage.  It keeps your mind focused, even in a time like this and reminds you of the common thread that we share.  Keep on working on the projects.  I would say to be safe, pay attention to checklists and form, but not because of recent events, but b/c that will make you a better and safer pilot which is good for everybody.  Brian W.

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To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Fatal Lightning Aircraft Crash

Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 10:48:10 -0700



      I understand everyone wanting to know everything about the crash, why and how.  That answer will most likely take months.  Normally NTSB would not investigate the accident since it is an experimental aircraft.  However, they are. This is good for us, as they will inspect and test each possible area and when completed report.  The preliminary copy is below.  http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp  Please note that as with all first reports, much of the information can be wrong. Initial information is often from non-aviation observers. As for what went wrong Lightning or other manufacturers would be involved in aiding the investigation if requested and they volunteered to do so. If they aid in the investigation they will not be allowed to discuss anything to anyone other then the investigating team. Until the investigation is closed, only NTSB can release information. If they find a major problem that effects safety of flight of all similar equipment, normally, a notice could proceed a completed report. 

  

 Please don't guess.  For all those that knew Jerry, flew and worked along side of him and were with him before and after the crash, your guess and thoughts on what happened and what he did after the prop left the aircraft is tearing us apart.  It will come out in the report. I will say this, when wondering why he as a pilot did or did not react, WE DO NOT KNOW. In combat my aircraft was hit and the explosion blew off the front of the aircraft. The aircraft could still fly.  However, it started falling out of control. My copilot/gunner took over and saved us because on my lack of ability to react and fly. My excuse was I had a bullet logged in my spine and could not react. During any incident when things come off or break they do collateral damage. I DO NOT KNOW IF THIS HAPPENED TO JERRY. Please back off and save the "what ifs" till we know all the facts.

  

 As for checking the torque on the flange to crankshaft, DO IT BY THE BOOK ONLY. If you followed the Jabiru manual, when assembling the aircraft you should be ok.  If you check the torque, then go by the book. I have an electronic torque tester that must be used for this operation. If you move the bolt, and you will, you must remove and reinstall per the Jabriu instruction since you just destroyed the sealant. Use only the prescribed sealant but check for new any sealants recommended. 

  

 It would be best for all of us to wait for Arion to tell us what to do. Ok to question ourselves, but please stop there. Some of us are very sensitive due  to loosing a good friend.

 Johnny Thompson             NTSB Identification: SEA08LA149

14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation

Accident occurred Sunday, June 01, 2008 in Marana, AZ

Aircraft: Van Heeswyk Lightning, registration: N62JV

Injuries: 1 Fatal.  This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed.

On June 1, 2008 about 0816 mountain standard time, an amateur built Van Heeswyk Lightning airplane, N62JV, registered to and operated by the pilot, was substantially damaged when it impacted terrain while maneuvering near Marana, Arizona. The private pilot, who was the sole occupant of the airplane, was killed. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed and no flight plan was filed for the personal local flight that was operated under the provisions of Title 14 Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) Part 91. The flight departed from Ryan Field Airport, Tucson, Arizona, about 0559.



Witnesses located adjacent to the accident site reported observing the propeller assembly separate from the airplane as it flew over their position. One witness stated that after the propeller separated, the airplane pitched upwards and subsequently descended into terrain. Another witness reported hearing the "engine rev up" just prior to the airplane impacting the ground. 



Examination of the airplane by a Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) inspector revealed that the airplane came to rest in an upright position within an open field. The fuselage was partially separated aft of the cabin. All primary flight controls were located within the accident site. The propeller assembly and propeller flange extension were found separated from the engine and were located about .62 miles southwest of the accident site. The wreckage was recovered to a secure location for further examination

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