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josok-e(at)ukolo.fi
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:18 am Post subject: there are pilots who have and ....

Hi All,



Well, to let you know that i did it, landed with gear up. 

Just plain stupidity of course. As always, there was a build up of smaller mistakes, which should have warned me. But it ended with forgetting to put the gear down. The good thing is we walked away, and also the damage to the plane is minor. It looks like i will be flying home, with the prop of an other Europa from Kjell Skogeland. It's fantastic to get help so fast!



Regards,



Jos Okhuijsen

Visit -  www.EuropaOwners.org

fklein(at)orcasonline.com
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:13 am Post subject: there are pilots who have and ....

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		   Well, to let you know that i did it, landed with gear up.


	


Jos...my condolences, and thanks for your candor. Please do give us 

some more info when you've had a chance to sort it out. With the flaps 

coupled w/ the LG, I've hoped I would be immune to such an occurrence 

..I suspect you can give some perspective to such naive thinking on my 

part.



Fred

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rlborger(at)mac.com
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:34 am Post subject: there are pilots who have and ....

Jos,



My most sincere condolences.  Glad to hear no one was hurt and damage  

was minimal.



Check six,

Bob



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On Jun 6, 2008, at 11:14, josok <josok-e(at)ukolo.fi> wrote:



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 Hi All,



 Well, to let you know that i did it, landed with gear up.

 Just plain stupidity of course. As always, there was a build up of  

 smaller mistakes, which should have warned me. But it ended with  

 forgetting to put the gear down. The good thing is we walked away,  

 and also the damage to the plane is minor. It looks like i will be  

 flying home, with the prop of an other Europa from Kjell Skogeland.  

 It's fantastic to get help so fast!



 Regards,



 Jos Okhuijsen

 Visit -  www.EuropaOwners.org

karelvranken(at)hotmail.c
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:56 am Post subject: there are pilots who have and ....

Jos,

An accident or incident is always a build up of coincidences where you have 

50% possibility to end up at the bad side. Believe me I more than once was 

lucky and can easily imagine your misfortune. May you find the courage to 

repaire your beauty.

Karel Vranken.

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jimpuglise(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:26 pm Post subject: there are pilots who have and ....

Jos-

  

 Sorry to hear it and glad that everyone is OK.  There are three kinds of retractable pilots:  1)  Those that have, 2) Those that will, 3) Those that will again.  The fact that you could fly it home says a lot about both the plane and your build.

  

 Jim Puglise

  

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kheindl(at)msn.com
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 3:06 pm Post subject: there are pilots who have and ....

Jos,

  

 You are a brave man, telling us all about it. Especially, since you are such a perfectionist.

 Hope you get it fixed in  no time.

  

 Karl

  

 



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 From: josok-e(at)ukolo.fi

 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 19:14:34 +0300

 To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

 

 --> Europa-List message posted by: "josok" <josok-e(at)ukolo.fi>

 

 Hi All,

 

 Well, to let you know that i did it, landed with gear up. 

 Just plain stupidity of course. As always, there was a build up of smaller mistakes, which should have warned me. But it ended with forgetting to put the gear down. The good thing is we walked away, and also the damage to the plane is minor. It looks like i will be flying home, with the prop of an other Europa from Kjell Skogeland. It's fantastic to get help so fast!

 

 Regards,

 

 Jos Okhuijsen

 

 

 

 

 

 

 Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org

 

 > ========================> 

 

 


	


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jrgowing(at)bigpond.net.a
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 3:34 pm Post subject: there are pilots who have and ....

Jos!

  

 That's all it takes - a few extaneous things  happening in the circuit and you forget.- I did all my glider checks one time -  only in my head- the got to a metre from the ground whe Ib Braes shouted in the  radio "Bob - The Wheel" and just saved me rippping off the UC  doors.

  

 Hoope we both don' t do it again!

  

 JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz

  

  

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hurstkr(at)redzone.com.au
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:26 pm Post subject: there are pilots who have and ....

Jos,



Really sorry to learn of your mishap.  On the bright side though, you have 

awakened everybody on the list !  Hope you are up and away again very soon.



Cheers

Kingsley



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josok-e(at)ukolo.fi
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Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 11:46 am Post subject: there are pilots who have and ....

Thanks to everybody for the condolences and good advice. I would like to help preventing others to fall in the same or similar trap.Looking back, it is interesting to see where and why it went wrong. 



On the Norwegian CAA site, is it http://www.ipppc.no ? sits a paper called VFR flying in Norway. It contains a list of factors, that tend to break the weakest link in flying security, us pilots. From the list, being tired, weather (too hot for me), unfamiliar airport, and also the first flight show to attend were the stress factors. 



The first mistake was to not turn the approach chart in track up position. I always use maps and the gps in track up. Flying South, i ended up on the wrong final. Went around and ended up on the right side, but too high and too fast. No problem, gear up, and go around for the second time. Concentrated on the runway, and started to lower the flaps/wheel, heard them noise, because the speed was about 100 knots. Left them half, turned final, did my on final check list, second pump on, constant speed controller on climb,  gear down and locked. I remember to be a little confused that the lock was not in the usual position, but i was sure the handle was... UP. I noticed i was still fast, slowed down, stall warner blaring at 55, what i threw away as a mistake, was annoyed that the nose was too high, added a bit of power to soften the bounce  That there was no bounce, and a lot of smoke and noise brought me out of the fixation i had had. 



My conclusion, and maybe only valid for me, is to be more critical BEFORE the flight. I promised myself not ever to accept more then 2 of the "do not fly" list. Since i clearly remember to have seen the gear lever up on the "ready for final check", i do not think that any clever gear up alarm would have convinced me that there was something wrong. Wrong speed, wrong picture, wrong stall horn and: The final error was "up is good" 



The second promise to myself is from Kjell, that if i feel it is not going as expected. to break out, leave the circuit, take five. Come back later!



I have to add that i just landed, it was very bumpy, the wind was gusting, an amphibious Cessna blew a tyre and blocked the runway i was on downwind for, the tower send me to another runway, asked if i could accept 15 knots gusting 25 crosswind, and i had a perfect landing. This one went like, oh not again, you are not getting me 



Regards



Jos

Visit -  www.EuropaOwners.org

davidjoyce(at)doctors.org
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 1:27 am Post subject: there are pilots who have and ....

Jos, I have a fair amount of relevant experience in the matter (!), 

particularly in gliding, and I suspect that  pilots who are convinced they 

have put the gear down will not be persuaded otherwise by a warning horn. I 

have known a glider fly a 100km task with the gear down and then carefully 

pull it up and land ignoring the gear up warning noise! (Assuming it must be 

some malfunction because the pilot knew he had just done the gear)

        Now I would rather rely on  a simple check list rigidly applied on 

down wind and finals: PUFF = Prop/Undercarriage/Fuel/ Flap. Undercarriage 

and flap both demand visual confirmation.

     Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ

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