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jimhefner
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
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Location: Tucson, AZ
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 Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 7:23 am Post subject: Gouldings Lodge ultralight policies |
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Julie Viramontes, Front Desk/ Group Sales Manager at Goulding's Lodge sent an email to me, approving my request to use their private airstrip and in the email she attached a document of their ultralight policies and asked if others in our group had seen it. I told her I would post it here for all to see. I know AZDave authored something similar, but I wanted everyone that will be attending this year's gathering with an airplane to see the document authored by Gouldings. As you will see, the Indians are still wanting their $5 / day, but are not being forceful about it. Hopefully noone will be forced to land out there on their land and get to find out what happens if we don't pay for admission...
Sounds like the Lodge and Campground is booked up solid from 5/18 - 5/20. Hopefully there will be plenty of places to put tenters, but RV's slots with hookup's and rooms at the Lodge are all booked. I got my normal spot just beyond the playground, since I don't need hookups.
The Airstream group is there again this year while we are there. Perhaps we should consider moving our gathering one week in either direction next year to avoid the extra congestion of the Airstream group that is dialed in on the same timeframe we are.
Looking forward to seeing lots of Kolbs in MV soon!
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John Hauck
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 7:35 am Post subject: Gouldings Lodge ultralight policies |
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As you will see, the Indians are still wanting their $5 / day, but
are not being forceful about it.
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Thanks for the info Jim.
Reading the rules, looks like Goulding's is saying the Navajos want
$5.00 for us to fly the Valley, however, there is no info on who,
what, when, or where, we should make our payment. I will do as I did
last year. Fly my experimental, enjoy the park. If I am confronted
by a representative of the Park, I will be glad to pay my $5.00 fee.
To me, it is worth much more than that to have the privilege to fly
such a magnificent area. Right now, I don't have any idea of who or
where to pay, and I am not going looking.
john h
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jimhefner
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 8:01 am Post subject: Re: Gouldings Lodge ultralight policies |
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John, I agree the Navajo's didn't give any specifics, but there is only one place to pay where you enter the MV tribal park, so it's not hard to figure out where to go to pay, just like if you were driving a car in there. That's probably why there are no specifics. The other reason is their wishes are being relayed to us 2nd hand via Gouldings Lodge, so I'm sure some details get lost in the process.... I plan to stop by the park entrance and talk to them. If they will assure me that I can get my plane out with no strings attached if I am forced to land, having paid my $5, I'll gladly pay up... cheap insurance and as you said, it's worth a lot more to me than that to be able to fly in such a beautiful place year after year.
Look forward to seeing you in MV soon!
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John Williamson
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:49 am Post subject: Re: Gouldings Lodge ultralight policies |
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Jim and All,
You will be doing a disservice to everyone by driving to the MV Tribal Park Entrance and talking about "Flying Rights" over their land.
We had this same discussion last year. They can charge to drive on their land but can't charge to fly over it at FAA minimum safe altitudes.
If you tell them that you are paying the $5 for the opportunity to retrieve your downed ultralight, if the occasion should occur, that is different.
I will do as I did last year, fly, enjoy and have fun. If the need arises, I will approach them as any other landowner in this country to retrieve my property. If the Tribe were to come to the airport and collect the fee, I would gladly pay it and safely buzz the heck out of the place.
Only 26 mor days to wait.
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jimhefner
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 11:12 am Post subject: Re: Gouldings Lodge ultralight policies |
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John, you are exactly on the right point. I will talk only about the right to retrieve my downed plane if I pay the fee. No discussion about rights to fly over their land at FAA altitudes. If they won't grant me that assurance, I won't pay their fee.
See you there!
Jim
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Steven Green
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 6:32 pm Post subject: Gouldings Lodge ultralight policies |
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As you will see, the Indians are still wanting their $5 / day, but are not
being forceful about it. Hopefully noone will be forced to land out there
on their land and get to find out what happens if we don't pay for
admission...
I own a (very) small portion of the state of Tennessee. So I am offering a
deal to anyone who flys over this great state. For only $20 you get a
lifetime membership to execute an emergency landing on my property. I will
help you secure your aircraft, fold the wings, store it in the dry, and
maybe even haul it home for you if need be. Meals and a place to stay
overnight are also included if desired. Contact me off list for membership
registration.
Steven :<)
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John Hauck
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 6:51 pm Post subject: Gouldings Lodge ultralight policies |
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That's an offer that is hard to refuse. Best deal I have seen lately.
Do we get a refund of our $20.00 if we don't have an engine failure
and land on your part of Tennessee, after a reasonable period of time?
Like when we retire from flying?
john h
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Какие слова... супер, блестящая идея
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