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Kyle

Joined: 13 Jun 2008
Posts: 15
Location: Western Kentucky

Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:18 am Post subject: Kitfox IV Performance Numbers Help

Hello All,



I recently acquired my Kitfox IV 1200 w/912 UL. I haven't had it in the air yet. I needed to synchronize the carburetors and bleed the brakes. That done I'm ready to proceed. I'm a private pilot but don't have my TD endorsement yet. I didn't receive any performance numbers from the previous owner. Numbers like stall speeds, take-off speeds, approach to landing speeds, cruise speeds, take-off roll distances, landing roll distances, climb rates or any of the V speeds (Vx, Vy etc.).

I was wondering if anyone could forward some of their numbers so at least I might have something just to use as a reference until I can establish my own. I have been taxiing up and down the grass strip, slowly building my speed. I've worked up to flying the tail and letting it settle back down while maintaining good directional control. I've had a Tail Dragger instructor with me some of the time but he also would like to at least see some numbers before we go on with more training.

Any help would be appreciated. 

I understand the numbers would not be specific to my plane, only for reference.



Thanks,

_________________
Kyle Dunn
Eddyville, Kentucky
Kitfox IV 1200 912 Rotax
1978 Cessna 172 N
American Aero Phoenix II w/582 Rotax
Rotorway Exec.

kitfoxpilot(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:04 am Post subject: Kitfox IV Performance Numbers Help

I don't want to scare you, the Fox is fun to fly but very sensitive on the controls! it is very easy to over correct.  Stall around 38, cruise depends 90 to 95 is best but you will se 100 to 115, my approach speed were at 60 no flaps, never use them.  I lift off at 45, I find wheel landins work best

Guy Buchanan

Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Posts: 1204
Location: Ramona, CA

Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:16 am Post subject: Kitfox IV Performance Numbers Help

At 09:18 AM 6/20/2008, you wrote:

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		  Numbers like stall speeds, take-off speeds, approach to landing 

speeds, cruise speeds, take-off roll distances, landing roll 

distances, climb rates or any of the V speeds (Vx, Vy etc.).


	


SPEEDS (MIAS)

Vr              45

Vx              53

Vy              57

Vs1             45

1.2 Vs1 54

Vs0             41

1.2 Vs0 49

Vfe             70

Va              85

Vno             99

Vne             125

Vglide          55 (600'/NM)



These numbers are all at gross = 1200#. Subtract 5 mph from the stall 

speeds for my typical flying weight of 925#. I flight plan for 80 mph 

cruise, you'll see more like 105 - 115 mph. I rarely use flaps to 

land and approach at no more than 50. (Otherwise I float a lot.) Take 

off is 500'. (You should see closer to 200'.) Landing is anywhere 

from 150' to 800', depending on how good you are. 

Guy Buchanan

San Diego, CA

K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.

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Guy Buchanan
Deceased K-IV 1200
A glider pilot too.

Kyle

Joined: 13 Jun 2008
Posts: 15
Location: Western Kentucky

Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:04 pm Post subject: Re: Kitfox IV Performance Numbers Help

Hello again,     



Thank you very much for the numbers. With these I feel a lot more comfortable going forth. 

And thanks for the advice on the sensitivity of the control inputs. From what I had read in the past, I figured the controls were considerably more sensitive than my 172.

By the way my plane is not the speedster version. 



Thanks again,

_________________
Kyle Dunn
Eddyville, Kentucky
Kitfox IV 1200 912 Rotax
1978 Cessna 172 N
American Aero Phoenix II w/582 Rotax
Rotorway Exec.

Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 2:19 am Post subject: Kitfox IV Performance Numbers Help

Your controls WILL be considerably more sensitive than the 172. My  

instructor used to tell me that all that money that I spent on flight  

training in a 172 just made my feet lazy, and now it was time to wake  

them up! He calls the Kitfox a "thoroughbred."



I have a Speedster, so mine is probably a bit more sensitive than  

yours, but even so, be ready for quickness as a result of control input.



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster

Jabiru 2200

Status: flying w/530 hrs





On Jun 21, 2008, at 1:04 AM, Kyle wrote:



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 Hello again,    



 Thank you very much for the numbers. With these I feel a lot more  

 comfortable going forth.

 And thanks for the advice on the sensitivity of the control inputs.  

 From what I had read in the past, I figured the controls were  

 considerably more sensitive than my 172.

 By the way my plane is not the speedster version.



 Thanks again,



 --------

 Kyle Dunn

 Eddyville, Kentucky

 Kitfox IV 1200 912 Rotax

 1978 Cessna 172 N

 American Aero Phoenix II w/582 Rotax

 Rotorway Exec.





 Read this topic online here:



 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188859#188859

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Lynn
Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

kirkhull(at)kc.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:10 am Post subject: Kitfox IV Performance Numbers Help

Something else you might want to do is get a copy of “kitfox pilot guide”  by Edward S Downs  

This book has aprox info for the # you are wanting as well as a lot of other good info.  

I believe you can get it through Kitfox inc.     If you don’t have their # you can  just EMAIL john Mcbean on this list  

         

  

From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RAY Gignac

 Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 11:59 AM

 To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Kitfox IV Performance Numbers Help  

  

   

I don't want to scare you, the Fox is fun to fly but very sensitive on the controls! it is very easy to over correct.  Stall around 38, cruise depends 90 to 95 is best but you will se 100 to 115, my approach speed were at 60 no flaps, never use them.  I lift off at 45, I find wheel landins work best.

  

 Ray

 

 > Subject: Kitfox IV Performance Numbers Help

 > From: kylehdunn(at)bellsouth.net

 > Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 09:18:03 -0700

 > To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

 > 

 > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kyle" <kylehdunn(at)bellsouth.net>

 > 

 > Hello All,

 > 

 > I recently acquired my Kitfox IV 1200 w/912 UL. I haven't had it in the air yet. I needed to synchronize the carburetors and bleed the brakes. That done I'm ready to proceed. I'm a private pilot but don't have my TD endorsement yet. I didn't receive any performance numbers from the previous owner. Numbers like stall speeds, take-off speeds, approach to landing speeds, cruise speeds, take-off roll distances, landing roll distances, climb rates or any of the V speeds (Vx, Vy etc.).

 > I was wondering if anyone could forward some of their numbers so at least I might have something just to use as a reference until I can establish my own. I have been taxiing up and down the grass strip, slowly building my speed. I've worked up to flying the tail and letting it settle back down while maintaining good directional control. I've had a Tail Dragger instructor with me some of the time but he also would like to at least see some numbers before we go on with more training.

 > Any help would be appreciated. 

 > I understand the numbers would not be specific to my plane, only for reference.

 > 

 > Thanks,

 > 

 > --------

 > Kyle Dunn

 > Eddyville, Kentucky

 > Kitfox IV 1200 912 Rotax 

 > 1978 Cessna 172 N

 > American Aero Phoenix II w/582 Rotax

 > Rotorway Exec.

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > Read this topic online here:

 > 

 > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188772#188772

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > 

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 > 

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Kyle

Joined: 13 Jun 2008
Posts: 15
Location: Western Kentucky

Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:51 am Post subject: Re: Kitfox IV Performance Numbers Help

Hey Lynn,



We meet again. I don't know if you remember or not but we met at Gilbertsville-Kentucky Dam Airport when you were on your way to Hondo.

I was admiring your Kitfox when you came back to the airport to get some supplies for the evening. We just talked briefly, you were in a hurry because your ride was waiting.



Kirk,

Thanks for the suggestion. I have already ordered that Pilot's Guide. 

It should be here today or the first of next week.



Thanks,

_________________
Kyle Dunn
Eddyville, Kentucky
Kitfox IV 1200 912 Rotax
1978 Cessna 172 N
American Aero Phoenix II w/582 Rotax
Rotorway Exec.

Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 9:15 am Post subject: Kitfox IV Performance Numbers Help

Hi Kyle-

I didn't remember your name, but I sure remember meeting you....that  

was a real coincidence running into a "lister" there from the Kitfox  

group. As I recall you were keeping a Cessna, I think it was, at the  

Dam airport, right? Sorry I couldn't have stayed and talked more, but  

I didn't want to inconvenience the shuttle driver who was kind enough  

to bring me back to the plane for another load of camping necessities  

from my plane. Man, that sure is a nice facility they have  

there....free shuttle service whenever you need it (within their  

hours of operation), a nice campground, and friendly folks. As luck  

would have it, when they drove me around to look at prospective  

campsites, I saw one that looked just fine and it was close to the  

general store, and it turned out to be site number......(drum  

roll)....3! Ta Da....



Nice reminiscing with ya, Kyle.



If any of you traveling folks want a nice place to fly into and stay,  

this place has tent sites, as well as rooms and maybe cabins...not  

sure of the cabins, though. My tent site was $18 for the night, and  

no tie-down fee, either. The campground is about a mile or so away  

from the airport, so the noise isn't much of a factor. And when it  

came tim for me to leave, a call brought a shuttle right to my site,  

even before they were officially open for business....wait....maybe  

they were just glad to get rid of me. : )



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster

Jabiru 2200

Status: flying w/530 hrs





On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:51 AM, Kyle wrote:



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 Hey Lynn,



 We meet again. I don't know if you remember or not but we met at  

 Gilbertsville-Kentucky Dam Airport when you were on your way to Hondo.

 I was admiring your Kitfox when you came back to the airport to get  

 some supplies for the evening. We just talked briefly, you were in  

 a hurry because your ride was waiting.



 Kirk,

 Thanks for the suggestion. I have already ordered that Pilot's Guide.

 It should be here today or the first of next week.



 Thanks,



 --------

 Kyle Dunn

 Eddyville, Kentucky

 Kitfox IV 1200 912 Rotax

 1978 Cessna 172 N

 American Aero Phoenix II w/582 Rotax

 Rotorway Exec.

_________________
Lynn
Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

Kyle

Joined: 13 Jun 2008
Posts: 15
Location: Western Kentucky

Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 12:51 pm Post subject: Re: Kitfox IV Performance Numbers Help

Lynn,



Yes, that's where I keep my 172. 

Actually the facility at Gilbertsville-Kentucky Dam Airport is a pretty neat little secret. It is a State Park with camping facilities, cabins for rent, restaurant facilities, a full service marina and beach with boat rentals of all sizes including house boats, 18 hole golf course, fishing and so forth. 

As a matter of fact there are other restaurants in the area that offer shuttle service to and from the airport.

For camping on the field there is no charge but yes to camp in the park campground there is a charge.

I had thought that this location would be a wonderful place to host a Kitfox gathering. It's centrally located to a lot of "listers". It's close to the same distance from your area in the north, the gulf coast to the south and the east coast. 

Good to meet with you again even if it was on the thread.



Thanks,

_________________
Kyle Dunn
Eddyville, Kentucky
Kitfox IV 1200 912 Rotax
1978 Cessna 172 N
American Aero Phoenix II w/582 Rotax
Rotorway Exec.

Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 2:36 am Post subject: Kitfox IV Performance Numbers Help

Well, Kyle. there goes that secret......: ) As I recall, it was about  

528 miles for me that first day of my trip, so you're right, it would  

be pretty central and a nice place for a Kitfox gathering.



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster

Jabiru 2200

Status: flying w/530 hrs

do not archive



On Jun 21, 2008, at 4:51 PM, Kyle wrote:



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 Lynn,



 Yes, that's where I keep my 172.

 Actually the facility at Gilbertsville-Kentucky Dam Airport is a  

 pretty neat little secret. It is a State Park with camping  

 facilities, cabins for rent, restaurant facilities, a full service  

 marina and beach with boat rentals of all sizes including house  

 boats, 18 hole golf course, fishing and so forth.

 As a matter of fact there are other restaurants in the area that  

 offer shuttle service to and from the airport.

 For camping on the field there is no charge but yes to camp in the  

 park campground there is a charge.

 I had thought that this location would be a wonderful place to host  

 a Kitfox gathering. It's centrally located to a lot of "listers".  

 It's close to the same distance from your area in the north, the  

 gulf coast to the south and the east coast.

 Good to meet with you again even if it was on the thread.



 Thanks,



 --------

 Kyle Dunn

 Eddyville, Kentucky

 Kitfox IV 1200 912 Rotax

 1978 Cessna 172 N

 American Aero Phoenix II w/582 Rotax

 Rotorway Exec.





 Read this topic online here:



 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188942#188942

_________________
Lynn
Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

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