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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 2:16 am Post subject: fuel prices

Hi,

 someone on the list queried avgas prices over here.  This from todaysissue of FLYER.

  

 Varying prices from £1.34 + VAT  to £1.51 +  VAT.  That doesnt look too bad until you realise that is PER LITRE.  I  am not surewhat the VAT rate is. Generally it is 17.5% but there is a Fuel  Tax  and I do not know if if that is included in th main body of the price  or not.

 Since the 1980`s the Fuel Tax for aircraft has been  at 50% that of motor fuel but that protection is due to be removed. Courtesy of  the European Union.

 Current price for motor fuel is !.34 per litre for  diesel and £1.28 for normal unleaded.

  

 I have started a collection of very strong rubber  bands....

  

 Cheers

  

 Pat 

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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 5:25 am Post subject: fuel prices

---- "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> wrote: 

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		   Hi,

 someone on the list queried avgas prices over here. This from todaysissue of FLYER.

 
	




Good Morning Patrick:



Pounds, liters, and VAT, do not mean a thing to 95% of your audience, especially me.  



Could you translate your fuel prices into gallons and dollars? or do you have the same problem I have?



During my recent flight out West, I found av gas prices were not much more than auto fuel prices, and diesel prices were more than av gas prices.



Putting a crimp in my flying, as well as my driving style.



john h

mkIII

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John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler
Titus, Alabama

pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:25 am Post subject: fuel prices

John,

Math was never my strong subject but this is the way it works, I think



Â£1 is worth $1.97

3.78litres to US Gall.



Price here about Â£1.20 per litre (and over)

Say $2.364 per litre.

$2.364 multiplied by 3.78  =$8.93



Roughly 9 bucks a gallon to you.



Hope that is right.



By the way. VAT ( the French call it TVA, but then they would)  stands for 

Value Added Tax. Each country in Europe fixes their own rate and usually 

some exemptions. Here food is VAT rated Zero. but the idea is that all 

countries should become the same eventually. On the other hand there are no 

State or local taxes..



Cheers



Pat

John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:54 am Post subject: fuel prices

> Roughly 9 bucks a gallon to you.

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		   Pat 

 
	




Thanks, Patrick:



Good explanation.



Makes a lot more sense to me now.



That is a lot more than I paid for 87 oct this morning, $3.76 a gal.



john h

mkIII

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MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler
Titus, Alabama

WillUribe(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:41 pm Post subject: fuel prices

Greetings,

 Fuel prices across the river are $2.50 a gallon for gas and $2.25 for  diesel.  The fuel comes from the same refinery on this side but the  difference is all the taxes, additives and extra refinements mandated by  our government that causes us to pay more.

 But I will not go across the river to buy gas because  there have been over 500 drug related murders this year and I sure don't want to  get caught in the cross fire. Who said smoking marijuana was a victim-less  crime?

  http://www.elpasotimes.com/juarez/ci_9630091

  

 Regards,

 Will Uribe

 FireStar II 

 El Paso, TX

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John,

Math was never my strong    subject but this is the way it works, I think



£1 is worth    $1.97

3.78litres to US Gall.



Price here about £1.20 per litre (and    over)

Say $2.364 per litre.

$2.364 multiplied by 3.78     =$8.93



Roughly 9 bucks a gallon to you. 	
  

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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:45 am Post subject: fuel prices

but the  difference is 

all the taxes,  additives and extra refinements mandated by  our government that 

causes  us to pay more.>>

  

 Same here Will, most of the price of fuel is now  the tax which has been increased steadily  (stealthily) over the  years.

  

 The good side of all this is that the increasing  price makes it worthwhile to adopt, or invent, alternatives.  The only  thing that gets those things going is economics.  If there is a buck to be  made someone will be on the case.

  

 Enjoy the price of fuel as it is. It will seem low  in 5 years.

  

 Cheers

  

 Pat

 



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cristalclear13

Joined: 19 Sep 2007
Posts: 363
Location: Southeast Georgia

Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:09 pm Post subject: Re: fuel prices

My uncle recently sent me this link



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmqpGZv0YT4



Check it out.  



I wish they had those available now in America!

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Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Sept 2007 - sold Sept 2012
Private Pilot Aug 2008
ELSA Repairman for N193Y April 2008
Rotax 2 stroke maintenance April 2009

aoldman(at)xtra.co.nz
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:42 am Post subject: fuel prices

Well fuel went up again today . The Kolb can now burn about $26.64 US per 

hour. I know there are others on this list that pay more. It will not stop 

us using the stuff but we may become a little more choosy when to fly, boat 

or take the old car for a Sunday drive. Still its about -2c windy and wet 

out side now so am saving for a good day.

Get revenge use it all while we can.

Tony

MK111

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slyck(at)frontiernet.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:20 am Post subject: fuel prices

I had a nice ride sunday morning over to the coffee drinker's and  

tire kicker's airport.

Nothing fell off the kolb which made it all the more enjoyable.

Costs me somewhere around $10 hr but then I only cruise around 60.

BB

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On 7, Jul 2008, at 5:37 AM, Tony Oldman wrote:



[quote] 



 Well fuel went up again today . The Kolb can now burn about $26.64  

 US per hour. I know there are others on this list that pay more. It  

 will not stop us using the stuff but we may become a little more  

 choosy when to fly, boat or take the old car for a Sunday drive.  

 Still its about -2c windy and wet out side now so am saving for a  

 good day.

 Get revenge use it all while we can.

 Tony

 MK111

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jb92563

Joined: 23 Mar 2007
Posts: 314
Location: Southern California

Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:25 am Post subject: Re: fuel prices

An interesting development in fuel prices in CA at least.



Our glider club buys MOGAS for the towplane in bulk(400 gals) at a time.



Interestingly the price has not gone up much since all the fuel stations prices went up.  



We are still paying around $2.55/gal.



It seems that this fuel is not subject to a lot of the ussual taxes as it is designated for agriculture use (IE not automobile use)



At the pumps here in CA we are paying $4.55/gal



Anyone think of starting an UL strip on your farm and keeping a fuel supply??? Or maybe a non-profit flying club?



Looks like the real thieves in this fuel price gouging are our own tax people. Cant blame the Oil moguls for that can we?



I feel like the US people and the fuel markets here are being manipulated internally at a high level. 



What the hell are they doing to us??? I never voted for this!

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Kolb UltraStar (Cuyuna UL-202)
Moni MotorGlider
Schreder HP-11 Glider
Grob 109 Motorglider

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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:34 am Post subject: fuel prices

this fuel price gouging are our own tax people>>



Hi Ray,

so whats new?  Not sure that is the full story though.  The story is that 

there is an oil shortage and that is causing the price rise.  This is not 

so. There is no oil shortage. Speculators on the Stock Exchange are buying 

Oil stocks on the expectation of a price rise and that makes it more or less 

self fulfilling as it is in nobodies interest to burst the bubble. The price 

per barrel is bound to increase in the long run as oil has to be found in 

more and more difficult places.

The Government (yours and mine) is winning hands down as not only are they 

collecting higher  revenue on the fuel but as the extra  fuel costs are 

added to every  stage of an articles progress from manufacturer to retail 

outlet, plus a little profit each time, it eventually appears as an 

increased sale price in the shop.The higher sale price automatically 

triggers extra tax revenue. You in your various Sales Tax regimes and ours 

in VAT.

The government has hit the mother lode without the problem of the 

unpopularity of  announcing a tax hike. They stay shtum and collect the 

money just the same.  Nice!



They may have overcooked though. Here an increase in fuel tax scheduled for 

the autumn has been abandoned after a revolt by Members of Parliament and a 

proposed increase in the annual tax we pay to enable us to put the car on 

the road may go the same way.



Whichever way you slice it the end user gets stuffed..



Cheers



Pat

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