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jkrowe.1(at)netzero.net
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 1:15 pm Post subject: Superior forward facing sump on an RV-7A

I recently mounted my engine on my RV-7A and found that I had a couple of problems.  I have the forward facing Superior sump, the new non-Ryton one, and found that it interfered with my drain plug and came very close to the number one intake lead/runner.  After talking to Vettermans, they said that the M1B exhaust that Vans had sent me would not work.  The new forward facing sump has the same basic architecture as the Ryton sump and from what I understand, Vans was somewhat confused about this and sent the MIB.  So I am exhanging the MIB exhaust with the Superior exhaust from Van's to correct the problem.  

I was wanting to know if anyone out there has a Superior forward facing sump with a Vettermans crossover exhaust on a 7A installed that would be willing to send a couple of pictures of their installation?  Particularly the area around the drain plug, the area between the number one intake and exhaust leads/runners, and then how the brackets for the throttle and mixture were mounted.  Also, what length cables were used for the throttle and mixture?  I would appreciate any help and advice. 

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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:00 am Post subject: Superior forward facing sump on an RV-7A

Jason,



I have the forward facing sump (the Ryton one) and recently received the aluminium one to replace it. Looks directly interchangeable (I hope!)



Anyway, I had a custom exhaust made by Aircraft Exhaust Inc. They had a sump, so knew where to put the pipes. I think mine was the first one they did, as I sent it back once for some extra mods. It's not a crossover though, it's a 4 into 1.



As for bracketry, you can check out the firewall forward pages on my website www.4sierratango.com and see what I did. For cable lengths, mine has a centre console mounted throttle quadrant so I'm a fair bit longer than where you'd be if you've used Van's standard locations. I just used some electrical cable to figure out the length.



Hope this helps a bit at least. There are as many configuratins out there as there are builders. Hopefully a little bit gleaned from everyone will help out your particular set up in some way.



Mark

www.4sierratango.com

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[quote]From: jkrowe.1(at)netzero.net

Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 21:12:20 +0000

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Subject: Superior forward facing sump on an RV-7A 



I recently mounted my engine on my RV-7A and found that I had a couple of problems.  I have the forward facing Superior sump, the new non-Ryton one, and found that it interfered with my drain plug and came very close to the number one intake lead/runner.  After talking to Vettermans, they said that the M1B exhaust that Vans had sent me would not work.  The new forward facing sump has the same basic architecture as the Ryton sump and from what I understand, Vans was somewhat confused about this and sent the MIB.  So I am exhanging the MIB exhaust with the Superior exhaust from Van's to correct the problem. 

 I was wanting to know if anyone out there has a Superior forward facing sump with a Vettermans crossover exhaust on a 7A installed that would be willing to send a couple of pictures of their installation?  Particularly the area around the drain plug, the area between the number one intake and exhaust leads/runners, and then how the brackets for the throttle and mixture were mounted.  Also, what length cables were used for the throttle and mixture?  I would appreciate any help and advice.

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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:00 am Post subject: Superior forward facing sump on an RV-7A

Jason, I had the same problem but the new exhaust fixed it. I have a quick drain and it goes out a hole on the pilots  side of the sump not out the bottom. The cables that Van's sold were too short for me and so I am getting ACS to make longer ones. This will depend on what fuel injection system you are using. I have the Airflow Performance unit. I made my own throttle/mix bracket. I will try to remember to take a pic the next time I am at the airport. If you don't get one by the end of the weekend send me a reminder.



Andrew Phillips



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I recently mounted my engine on my RV-7A and found that I had a couple of problems.  I have the forward facing Superior sump, the new non-Ryton one, and found that it interfered with my drain plug and came very close to the number one intake lead/runner.  After talking to Vettermans, they said that the M1B exhaust that Vans had sent me would not work.  The new forward facing sump has the same basic architecture as the Ryton sump and from what I understand, Vans was somewhat confused about this and sent the MIB.  So I am exhanging the MIB exhaust with the Superior exhaust from Van's to correct the problem. 

I was wanting to know if anyone out there has a Superior forward facing sump with a Vettermans crossover exhaust on a 7A installed that would be willing to send a couple of pictures of their installation?  Particularly the area around the drain plug, the area between the number one intake and exhaust leads/runners, and then how the brackets for the throttle and mixture were mounted.  Also, what length cables were used for the throttle and mixture?  I would appreciate any help and advice.

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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:08 am Post subject: Superior forward facing sump on an RV-7A

Thanks Mark,  I'll check out your site.  



Appreciate the help,

Jason 

   



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jkrowe.1(at)netzero.net
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:10 am Post subject: Superior forward facing sump on an RV-7A

Andrew,

Thanks for the help.  I'm waiting on the exhaust to come in so it'll be next week before I get back into working on the cabling.  I thought I'd finish my baffling while I'm waiting on the exhaust.  How much did it cost to get the custom length cables made and what kind of lead time was there?   

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duncanengh(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:13 am Post subject: Superior forward facing sump on an RV-7A

Please forward the address for ACS 

Thank you 

Duncan Engh



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		  From: Andrew Phillips <andrew.phillips(at)sympatico.ca>

Subject: Re: Superior forward facing sump on an RV-7A

To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 6:56 AM



 Jason, I had the same problem but the new exhaust fixed it. I have a quick drain and it goes out a hole on the pilots  side of the sump not out the bottom. The cables that Van's sold were too short for me and so I am getting ACS to make longer ones. This will depend on what fuel injection system you are using. I have the Airflow Performance unit. I made my own throttle/mix bracket. I will try to remember to take a pic the next time I am at the airport. If you don't get one by the end of the weekend send me a reminder. 



 Andrew Phillips

 

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I recently mounted my engine on my RV-7A and found that I had a couple of problems.  I have the forward facing Superior sump, the new non-Ryton one, and found that it interfered with my drain plug and came very close to the number one intake lead/runner.  After talking to Vettermans, they said that the M1B exhaust that Vans had sent me would not work.  The new forward facing sump has the same basic architecture as the Ryton sump and from what I understand, Vans was somewhat confused about this and sent the MIB.  So I am exhanging the MIB exhaust with the Superior exhaust from Van's to correct the problem.  

I was wanting to know if anyone out there has a Superior forward facing sump with a Vettermans crossover exhaust on a 7A installed that would be willing to send a couple of pictures of their installation?  Particularly the area around the drain plug, the area between the number one intake and exhaust leads/runners, and then how the brackets for the throttle and mixture were mounted.  Also, what length cables were used for the throttle and mixture?  I would appreciate any help and advice. 

Jason 

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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:35 am Post subject: Superior forward facing sump on an RV-7A

Jason 

I am looking for the site for longer cables, can you help 

Thanks 

Duncan



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Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 7:58 AM



  

Thanks Mark,  I'll check out your site.  



Appreciate the help,

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andrew.phillips(at)sympat
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:51 am Post subject: Superior forward facing sump on an RV-7A

Cables were just under $90 each and 3-4 weeks.

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Andrew,

Thanks for the help.  I'm waiting on the exhaust to come in so it'll be next week before I get back into working on the cabling.  I thought I'd finish my baffling while I'm waiting on the exhaust.  How much did it cost to get the custom length cables made and what kind of lead time was there?  

Thanks,

Jason 



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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:52 am Post subject: Superior forward facing sump on an RV-7A

www.aircraftspruce.com

On 27-Jun-08, at 8:08 AM, Duncan Engh wrote:

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Please forward the address for ACS

Thank you

Duncan Engh



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Subject: Re: Superior forward facing sump on an RV-7A

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Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 6:56 AM



 Jason, I had the same problem but the new exhaust fixed it. I have a quick drain and it goes out a hole on the pilots  side of the sump not out the bottom. The cables that Van's sold were too short for me and so I am getting ACS to make longer ones. This will depend on what fuel injection system you are using. I have the Airflow Performance unit. I made my own throttle/mix bracket. I will try to remember to take a pic the next time I am at the airport. If you don't get one by the end of the weekend send me a reminder. 



 Andrew Phillips

 

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I recently mounted my engine on my RV-7A and found that I had a couple of problems.  I have the forward facing Superior sump, the new non-Ryton one, and found that it interfered with my drain plug and came very close to the number one intake lead/runner.  After talking to Vettermans, they said that the M1B exhaust that Vans had sent me would not work.  The new forward facing sump has the same basic architecture as the Ryton sump and from what I understand, Vans was somewhat confused about this and sent the MIB.  So I am exhanging the MIB exhaust with the Superior exhaust from Van's to correct the problem. 

I was wanting to know if anyone out there has a Superior forward facing sump with a Vettermans crossover exhaust on a 7A installed that would be willing to send a couple of pictures of their installation?  Particularly the area around the drain plug, the area between the number one intake and exhaust leads/runners, and then how the brackets for the throttle and mixture were mounted.  Also, what length cables were used for the throttle and mixture?  I would appreciate any help and advice.

Jason

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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:08 pm Post subject: Superior forward facing sump on an RV-7A

I had the same problem with Van's and am sitting  with a MIB exhaust which is of no use.  I see that Van's now asks you to  specify "Superior FF induction" when ordering so they obviously know about the  problem now.  The throttle brackets do not fit the Ryton  sump.  It is not too difficult to make one .  Used  some .125 stock, drilled it for the threaded holes on the bottom  of the sump - one needs to angle the bracket inwards, backwards and slightly  down to clear everything, then give it a 90 deg up bend and drill a hole to  take the cable.  Mine is on a -7.

  

 The mixture cable and brackets supplied work  well.  My documentation is at the hangar so am not sure of the  measurements but can find it out for you if you can wait till next week.   The throttle was 53" or 54" if memory serves me right.

  

 Will send you some photos off the web

  

 Trevor 

    

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gblakey(at)vic.australis.
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:43 pm Post subject: Superior forward facing sump on an RV-7A

Gents,

  

 One thing you might like to  consider rather than going to the expense of a whole new cable are these  threaded connectors from Aircraft Spruce.   Dan Checkaway used one and  I have purchased for my M1B setup to an Aerosance Throttle Body.

  

 Here is the link if anyone  is interested and by just choosing the additional length you require, you can  thread this to the end of your existing cable.

  

 http://www.aircraftspruce.com/search/search.php?query=10376&searchsubmit=Search&search=1

  

 Cheers from Down  Under!

  

 Greg(RV-7........wiring)

  

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duncanengh(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 4:35 am Post subject: Superior forward facing sump on an RV-7A

Thanks from Red Wing,Minnesota

Duncan 7A



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From: Greg Blakey <gblakey(at)vic.australis.com.au>

Subject: Re: Superior forward facing sump on an RV-7A

To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 5:41 PM



Gents,

 

One thing you might like to consider rather than going to the expense of a whole new cable are these threaded connectors from Aircraft Spruce.   Dan Checkaway used one and I have purchased for my M1B setup to an Aerosance Throttle Body.

 

Here is the link if anyone is interested and by just choosing the additional length you require, you can thread this to the end of your existing cable

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