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RobHickman(at)aol.com
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 Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:27 am Post subject: Hysol 9360 Window install update |
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I installed the windows five days ago using Hysol from Lancair
http://www.aerocraftparts.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=9360-QT
and last night I had one of them just pop out when I slightly pressed on it. I then proceeded to easily pop the other side window out. Naturally this occurred right after I had spent the last two days fabricating and sanding the front windshield faring. After much advice from all the neighbors we decided to remove the front fairing and test the windshield and it popped right out also
I believe that the problem was caused by me not roughing up the windows near enough on the glue joint, although I am not sure. The 9360 bonded to the fiberglass and did not bond at all to the window. Lancair says "we have used this for over 10 years without a problem on the windows" and that they always rough up both surfaces with 60 grit sand paper before bonding the window.
I am now going to do a test bond on some scrap window with roughing up the surface before I decide what to do.
The learning curve continues......
Rob Hickman
RV-10 (without windows)
Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars.
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dmaib@me.com
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Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:07 am Post subject: Hysol 9360 Window install update |
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Rob,
I was just a couple of days from bonding my windows in with Hysol 9360 when your post came in. Needless to say, we are on hold until we get some answers here. We are going to test some scrap materials as well, but will be very interested in hearing how your tests come out.
Timing is Everything.
David Maib
40559
On Friday, June 27, 2008, at 11:35AM, <RobHickman(at)aol.com> wrote:
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I installed the windows five days ago using Hysol from Lancair
_http://www.aerocraftparts.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=9360-QT_
(http://www.aerocraftparts.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=9360-QT)
and last night I had one of them just pop out when I slightly pressed on it.
I then proceeded to easily pop the other side window out. Naturally this
occurred right after I had spent the last two days fabricating and sanding the
front windshield faring. After much advice from all the neighbors we
decided to remove the front fairing and test the windshield and it popped right out
also
I believe that the problem was caused by me not roughing up the windows near
enough on the glue joint, although I am not sure. The 9360 bonded to the
fiberglass and did not bond at all to the window. Lancair says "we have used
this for over 10 years without a problem on the windows" and that they always
rough up both surfaces with 60 grit sand paper before bonding the window.
I am now going to do a test bond on some scrap window with roughing up the
surface before I decide what to do.
The learning curve continues......
Rob Hickman
RV-10 (without windows)
**************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for
fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)
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Jim Berry
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Posts: 237
Location: Denver
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:21 am Post subject: Re: Hysol 9360 Window install update |
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Rob,
I did my windows and windscreen with Hysol several months ago, and did scuff the surface. Did the same with some cutoff plexi and fiberglass from the windscreen and cabin top. After curing for 1 week I was unable to break the bond without having the plexi break first. Good luck. I would not look forward to doing the windows a second time.
Jim Berry
40482
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bhughes(at)qnsi.net
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:36 am Post subject: Hysol 9360 Window install update |
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Rob,
The Lancair ES I help with used a Hysol and flox mix for bonding the windshield. Not sure if this was the approved factory method or not. Roughed up and cleaned both surfaces. I used the same method for my windows and they seem to be solid. I will verify tomorrow.
Bobby Hughes 40116
(Very satisfied AFS customer)
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Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 10:25 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Hysol 9360 Window install update
I installed the windows five days ago using Hysol from Lancair
http://www.aerocraftparts.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=9360-QT
and last night I had one of them just pop out when I slightly pressed on it. I then proceeded to easily pop the other side window out. Naturally this occurred right after I had spent the last two days fabricating and sanding the front windshield faring. After much advice from all the neighbors we decided to remove the front fairing and test the windshield and it popped right out also
I believe that the problem was caused by me not roughing up the windows near enough on the glue joint, although I am not sure. The 9360 bonded to the fiberglass and did not bond at all to the window. Lancair says "we have used this for over 10 years without a problem on the windows" and that they always rough up both surfaces with 60 grit sand paper before bonding the window.
I am now going to do a test bond on some scrap window with roughing up the surface before I decide what to do.
The learning curve continues......
Rob Hickman
RV-10 (without windows)
Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars.
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Dave(at)AirCraftersLLC.co
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:40 am Post subject: Hysol 9360 Window install update |
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Bummer.
I used Hysol for my windshield in the joggle area and per plans for the base fairing. We put some thin BID over the Hysol junction.
We had the same thing happen with a IV-P windshield. After much running about and loud talking, we decided it had not cured long enough--only 24 hours. Sounds like you waited longer but if it was cool (below 70F) I might think it didn't cure fully.
60 grit is pretty severe. 80-120 is fine. Everything has to be clean, clean, clean. The data says use alcohol but we generally use acetone to degrease everything just before applying the Hysol. Some people get nervous with acetone around the windows we've never had a problem.
FWIW, Lancair puts their windows in from the inside, and lays up a pretty thick layer of BID over the seam. That's really a better way to build it. You get a cleaner installation but you do have to work inside.
A little heat and a dull chisel should remove the old (new?) Hysol from the fiberglass.
Here's a fun read: http://www.loctite.it/int_henkel/loctite/binarydata/pdf/ACF205.pdf
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RobHickman(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 9:25 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Hysol 9360 Window install update
I installed the windows five days ago using Hysol from Lancair
http://www.aerocraftparts.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=9360-QT
and last night I had one of them just pop out when I slightly pressed on it. I then proceeded to easily pop the other side window out. Naturally this occurred right after I had spent the last two days fabricating and sanding the front windshield faring. After much advice from all the neighbors we decided to remove the front fairing and test the windshield and it popped right out also
I believe that the problem was caused by me not roughing up the windows near enough on the glue joint, although I am not sure. The 9360 bonded to the fiberglass and did not bond at all to the window. Lancair says "we have used this for over 10 years without a problem on the windows" and that they always rough up both surfaces with 60 grit sand paper before bonding the window.
I am now going to do a test bond on some scrap window with roughing up the surface before I decide what to do.
The learning curve continues......
Rob Hickman
RV-10 (without windows)
Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars.
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