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matronics(at)bob.brennan.
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:34 am Post subject: Airwothiness Certificate / inspection

This is a question I think I know the answer to but  others have expressed varied opinions, so I am asking the group - all of whom  have had to deal with it.



Does a Kitfox Model II, built and brought in  from the UK where it was inspected and airworthy, need an annual Airworthiness  Certificate here in the US? I am not the builder, I am not a registered  mechanic, but I do all my own work on the airplane.



I am visiting my  local very experienced DAR tomorrow and even he doesn't know. The owner/operator  of my local airstrip says no. My understanding of FAA regulations is that a  licensed A&P mechanic can sign my logbook annually, no "certificate"  necessary? I know (think?) that I could enter an annual inspection in the  logbook myself if I were the original builder.



Does anyone have a  definitive answer or experience? I have the feeling even my DAR isn't sure who  to ask or where to look, I know the local FAA office sure didn't  know.



Thanks in advance for any insight / experience. Personally I think  that once the airplane is registered in the US that all airworthiness  certification requirements should be the same as any US Kitfox. 

BTW the DAR asked the question "are you certifcating  it as Experimental or Light Sport?" so apparently I have the choice(?) (subject  of a previous posting of mine). 

Bob Brennan

1991 Model 2 Kitfox

Rotax 582 with  3 blade prop

Wrightsville Pa

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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:54 am Post subject: Re: Airwothiness Certificate / inspection

might be best to call me



David FAA/DAR

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pwmac(at)sisna.com
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 7:22 am Post subject: Airwothiness Certificate / inspection

Your questions are best answered by the EAA. They have legal staff 

that deal with the FAA regs. and can counsel your DAR as to how to 

proceed for this rare issue. Join then get the the web site and ask 

your question. The last time I had an unusual question I got a return 

message followed by a letter as to how to deal with the FAA. The 

email and letter had inputs from several EAA experts. Great service 

and I really think they do a good job.



Regards, Paul

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At 07:25 AM 7/1/2008, you wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  This is a question I think I know the answer to but others have 

expressed varied opinions, so I am asking the group - all of whom 

have had to deal with it.



Does a Kitfox Model II, built and brought in from the UK where it 

was inspected and airworthy, need an annual Airworthiness 

Certificate here in the US? I am not the builder, I am not a 

registered mechanic, but I do all my own work on the airplane.



I am visiting my local very experienced DAR tomorrow and even he 

doesn't know. The owner/operator of my local airstrip says no. My 

understanding of FAA regulations is that a licensed A&P mechanic can 

sign my logbook annually, no "certificate" necessary? I know 

(think?) that I could enter an annual inspection in the logbook 

myself if I were the original builder.



Does anyone have a definitive answer or experience? I have the 

feeling even my DAR isn't sure who to ask or where to look, I know 

the local FAA office sure didn't know.



Thanks in advance for any insight / experience. Personally I think 

that once the airplane is registered in the US that all 

airworthiness certification requirements should be the same as any US Kitfox.



BTW the DAR asked the question "are you certifcating it as 

Experimental or Light Sport?" so apparently I have the choice(?) 

(subject of a previous posting of mine).



Bob Brennan

1991 Model 2 Kitfox

Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop

Wrightsville Pa

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msm_9949(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:03 am Post subject: Airwothiness Certificate / inspection

I don't know whether your Brit AW cert transfers. I suspect not. You'll probably need a one-time airworthiness inspection from FAA inspector or a DAR to get a US AW cert. Thereafter, you'll need to log a annual "condition inspection." Since you're not the builder you can't get a repairman's certificate to sign off yourself. It will have to be done, or at least signed off on,  annually by a licensed A&P mechanic.  

  

Marco Menezes N99KX 

Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1



--- On Tue, 7/1/08, Bob Brennan <matronics(at)bob.brennan.name> wrote:

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		  From: Bob Brennan <matronics(at)bob.brennan.name>

Subject: Airwothiness Certificate / inspection

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 9:25 AM



  

This is a question I think I know the answer to but others have expressed varied opinions, so I am asking the group - all of whom have had to deal with it.



Does a Kitfox Model II, built and brought in from the UK where it was inspected and airworthy, need an annual Airworthiness Certificate here in the US? I am not the builder, I am not a registered mechanic, but I do all my own work on the airplane.



I am visiting my local very experienced DAR tomorrow and even he doesn't know. The owner/operator of my local airstrip says no. My understanding of FAA regulations is that a licensed A&P mechanic can sign my logbook annually, no "certificate" necessary? I know (think?) that I could enter an annual inspection in the logbook myself if I were the original builder.



Does anyone have a definitive answer or experience? I have the feeling even my DAR isn't sure who to ask or where to look, I know the local FAA  office sure didn't know.



Thanks in advance for any insight / experience. Personally I think that once the airplane is registered in the US that all airworthiness certification requirements should be the same as any US Kitfox. 

BTW the DAR asked the question "are you certifcating it as Experimental or Light Sport?" so apparently I have the choice(?) (subject of a previous posting of mine). 

Bob Brennan

1991 Model 2 Kitfox

Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop

Wrightsville Pa

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matronics(at)bob.brennan.
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:05 am Post subject: Airwothiness Certificate / inspection

Thanks Paul - I have spoken to a DAR on this list and he also recommended

that I need a form from the EAA. I have been a member of the EAA, and AOPA,

for many years but this is the first time I have heard about asking a

question on their site. 



I have sent in my questions to the EAA and will post anything relevant I

find out on this thread.



Bob Brennan

1991 Model 2 Kitfox

Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop

Wrightsville Pa



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matronics(at)bob.brennan.
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:18 am Post subject: Airwothiness Certificate / inspection

Thanks Marco - The UK does not have an official  "Airworthiness Certificate" for what was registered as a Microlight - rather we  have an annual "Permit to Fly" issued by the PFA (Personal Flying Assoc) instead  of the CAA (Civil Aviation Authority); partially why I am so confused over  this.

  

 The "one-time" AW Certificate and annual condition  inspections clears thing up for me. I have spoken to a DAR and he thinks I can  certificate it as an Experiment Light Sport, take a short course to get a  repairman's certificate and then do the annual inspections myself. Apparently I  can't do that if it is certificated as Experimental.

  

  

Bob Brennan 

1991 Model 2 Kitfox 

Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop 

Wrightsville Pa



   From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marco  Menezes

Sent: 01 July 2008 12:00 pm

To:  kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Airwothiness  Certificate / inspection

 

                   

I don't know whether your Brit AW cert transfers. I suspect not. You'll        probably need a one-time airworthiness inspection from FAA        inspector or a DAR to get a US AW cert. Thereafter, you'll need        to log a annual "condition inspection." Since you're not the builder you        can't get a repairman's certificate to sign off yourself. It will have to        be done, or at least signed off on,  annually by a licensed A&P        mechanic.        

        

Marco Menezes N99KX       

Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1



--- On Tue, 7/1/08, Bob Brennan        <matronics(at)bob.brennan.name> wrote:

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		  From:          Bob Brennan <matronics(at)bob.brennan.name>

Subject: Kitfox-List:          Airwothiness Certificate / inspection

To:          kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 9:25  AM



                  

This is a question I think I know the answer          to but others have expressed varied opinions, so I am asking the group -          all of whom have had to deal with it.



Does a Kitfox Model II,          built and brought in from the UK where it was inspected and airworthy,          need an annual Airworthiness Certificate here in the US? I am not the          builder, I am not a registered mechanic, but I do all my own work on the          airplane.



I am visiting my local very experienced DAR tomorrow          and even he doesn't know. The owner/operator of my local airstrip says          no. My understanding of FAA regulations is that a licensed A&P          mechanic can sign my logbook annually, no "certificate" necessary? I          know (think?) that I could enter an annual inspection in the logbook          myself if I were the original builder.



Does anyone have a          definitive answer or experience? I have the feeling even my DAR isn't          sure who to ask or where to look, I know the local FAA office sure          didn't know.



Thanks in advance for any insight / experience.          Personally I think that once the airplane is registered in the US that          all airworthiness certification requirements should be the same as any          US Kitfox.         

BTW the DAR asked the question "are you          certifcating it as Experimental or Light Sport?" so apparently I have          the choice(?) (subject of a previous posting of mine).         

Bob Brennan

1991 Model 2 Kitfox

Rotax          582 with 3 blade prop

Wrightsville Pa

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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:13 am Post subject: Airwothiness Certificate / inspection

EAA follow-up - I spoke with a gentleman at the EAA and he highly recommends

applying as Experimental Light Sport and then taking the 16 hour course to

get a repairman's certificate so I can sign off my own annual inspections.



I was lucky in that I got my N number last August, before the January

deadline for Light Sport applications. As an EAA member I can take advantage

of their exemption to certificate as Light Sport even after the deadline,

they will send me an exemption form to send with the Airworthiness

Certificate application.



Bob Brennan

UK 1991 Model 2 Kitfox

Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop

Wrightsville Pa



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thesupe(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:42 am Post subject: Airwothiness Certificate / inspection

The EAA sends out info to it's members with a bunch of 1-800 # that you can call with questions like this and actually talk to someone who probably can answer you question.  Jim Chuk  Kitfox 4 mn

[quote] From: matronics(at)bob.brennan.name

 To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Airwothiness Certificate / inspection

 Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 12:02:41 -0400

 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Brennan" <matronics(at)bob.brennan.name>

 Thanks Paul - I have spoken to a DAR on this list and he also recommended

 that I need a form from the EAA. I have been a member of the EAA, and AOPA,

 for many years but this is the first time I have heard about asking a

 question on their site. 

 I have sent in my questions to the EAA and will post anything relevant I

 find out on this thread.

 Bob Brennan

 1991 Model 2 Kitfox

 Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop

 Wrightsville Pa

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matronics(at)bob.brennan.
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:58 am Post subject: Airwothiness Certificate / inspection

Thanks Jim, I have already spoken to an EAA representative (see my  previous posting that starts with "EAA follow-up") and received my Light Sport  exemption documentation. Boy they are good over there at the EAA, and well worth  the membership fee!

  

 Bob Brennan

UK 1991  Model 2 Kitfox

Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop

Wrightsville  Pa

   From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim_and_Lucy  Chuk

Sent: 01 July 2008 2:40 pm

To:  kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Airwothiness  Certificate / inspection

 

The EAA sends out info to it's members with a bunch of 1-800 # that  you can call with questions like this and actually talk to someone who probably  can answer you question.  Jim Chuk  Kitfox 4 mn



[quote] From:  matronics(at)bob.brennan.name

 To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

  Subject: RE: Airwothiness Certificate / inspection

 Date:  Tue, 1 Jul 2008 12:02:41 -0400

 

 --> Kitfox-List message  posted by: "Bob Brennan" <matronics(at)bob.brennan.name>

 

  Thanks Paul - I have spoken to a DAR on this list and he also  recommended

 that I need a form from the EAA. I have been a member of the  EAA, and AOPA,

 for many years but this is the first time I have heard  about asking a

 question on their site. 

 

 I have sent in  my questions to the EAA and will post anything relevant I

 find out on  this thread.

 

 Bob Brennan

 1991 Model 2 Kitfox

  Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop

 Wrightsville Pa

 

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