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Dick Maddux
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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Location: Milton, Fl
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I just purchased a radiator scoop to dress up the looks on my model 4. The instructions say to mfg a series of .032 alum straps with nutplates and attach to the tubes under the floorboards OR use long bolts and go thru the floorboard.
It seems that everything is attached to the floorboard and it would be a major project to remove them.(rudder pedals,control sticks,etc.) My inclination is to use long bolts but I am concerned about the resulting appearance of the bolt heads,etc penetrating thru the floorboards. I would like to make it look nice.
Has anyone done this on a finished aircraft and if so maybe a better method?
Thanks!
Dick Maddux
Fox 4-1200
Rotax 912
Pensacola,Fl
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lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net
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| Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 6:28 am Post subject: Radiator scoop |
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Hi, Dick,
I had the radiator scoop on the previous Model IV, It was also a late
addition as well and mounted it through the floorboard with fender washers
under round head bolts (screws). I had a piece of carpet over the
floorboards, but in the new project, I will likely just let the screw heads
show.
Lowell
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yodaone
Joined: 09 May 2008
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Location: Pompano Beach,FL
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| Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 7:56 am Post subject: Re: Radiator scoop |
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I'm in the process of installing one, will post how I attached the scoop to the floor boards with without removing them.
Also added speed cuffs.
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dave
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| Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 2:01 pm Post subject: Re: Radiator scoop |
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I'm in the process of installing one, will post how I attached the scoop to the floor boards with without removing them.
Also added speed cuffs.
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what did you gain with your strut cuffs and the rad scoop ?
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Dick Maddux
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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Location: Milton, Fl
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:33 am Post subject: Radiator scoop |
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Lowell,
Thanks for your reply. I will probably attach the scoop with the long bolts. Yodaone, thanks for the great pictures! They will be very helpful for my installation. Please send more pictures as you go thru the installation process. You have done very nice work.
I have also installed the wing cuffs on my aircraft. It was a mystery how to attach them but I finally figured it out. I can't say as I can see any difference in airspeed but they look nice.(but then I have those fat tires)
Dick Maddux
Pensacola,Fl
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paul perry
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:20 am Post subject: Re: Radiator scoop |
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Are those items (radiator scoop and cuffs) available from Kitfox, or is there another supplier?
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lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:18 am Post subject: Radiator scoop |
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Thanks, Dick,
Your airplane looks great. For some reason I don't recall the sunburst
design on the horizontal stab. Looks good in person, though.
Lowell
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wingnut
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:29 pm Post subject: Re: Radiator scoop |
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Where are you guys buying the air scoop and speed cuffs? May I ask how much they set you back?
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Dick Maddux
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Posts: 516
Location: Milton, Fl
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:52 am Post subject: Radiator scoop |
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Luis,
The radiator scoop is available from Kitfox and the wing cuffs are available from Williams aircraft.
Dick Maddux
Fox 4
Pensacola,Fl
Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars.
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paul perry
Joined: 11 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:11 am Post subject: Re: Radiator scoop |
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I googled Williams Aircraft and didn't come up with a correct hit, do you have their web site/e-mail or phone number?
Thanks, Paul Perry
KF IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
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jdmcbean(at)kitfoxaircraf
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:34 am Post subject: Radiator scoop |
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We also carry the wing cuffs…
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
Ph 208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
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Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 5:50 AM
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Subject: Re: Radiator scoop
Luis,
The radiator scoop is available from Kitfox and the wing cuffs are available from Williams aircraft.
Dick Maddux
Fox 4
Pensacola,Fl
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Lynn Matteson
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 7:38 am Post subject: Radiator scoop |
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I'm not a moderator, nor do I play one on TV, but it might be a good
idea to offer up the address in our first response, instead of making
the original poster have to ask the obvious next question....it would
save a few postings...and I've been guilty of it too. : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: flying w/541 hrs
do not archive
On Jul 1, 2008, at 9:12 AM, pperrynas wrote:
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msm_9949(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 7:56 am Post subject: Radiator scoop |
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Here's his phone number:
Myrle Williams Aviation (602) 978-0553
Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1
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Subject: Re: Radiator scoop
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Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 9:12 AM
[quote]--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "pperrynas" <pperryrph(at)sbcglobal.net> I googled Williams Aircraft and didn't come up with a correct hit, do you have their web site/e-mail or phone number? Thanks, Paul Perry KF IV 1200 Rotax 912UL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=190689#190689 [quote][b]
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dave
Joined: 22 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:06 am Post subject: Re: Radiator scoop |
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We also carry the wing cuffs…
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John, What can one expect on adding wing cuffs , rad scoop and or gas cap fairings.
I have a scoop on mine and I have a mold to make more but I not offering them. I find that my cowl mods conjunctionion in fact lowered the operating temperature more than anything.
I would like to see proof that speed gains on any of the above have been had.
My site has the cowl mods that worked well. The Kitfox cowl dumps hot engine air right into the radiator as originally made.
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MichaelGibbs(at)cox.net
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:27 am Post subject: Radiator scoop |
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Rick sez:
That will work, but Murle's web site is actually:
<http://murlewilliamsaviation.com>
Mike G.
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rick(at)5mike3.com
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:40 am Post subject: Radiator scoop |
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Thanks for the correction Mike!
Rick, Kitfox IV / 912ul / 50%
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yodaone
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:46 am Post subject: Re: Radiator scoop |
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Installed the scoop and fastened it to the fuselage using three stainless screws. I did not remove the floor boards.
Chose this hardware because it provided the perfect spacer.
Hammered/flattened out the the spikes, drilled the holes, and installed.
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dave
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:28 am Post subject: Re: Radiator scoop |
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Rad scoop pic look great guys.
Now the questions -- what did you gain or lose in speed and coolant temps ?
Did you seal the rad to the scoop? Makes a differance you know in cooling.
read my previous posts on cowl mods......... just look at that design how the hot air from the engine dumps directly into the rad..........
http://www.cfisher.com/cowl.html
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Dick Maddux
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:27 am Post subject: Radiator scoop |
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Yodaone,
Thanks for the pictures. You have done a "super deluxe" job on that scoop.It looks great ! I will pattern my installation after yours.My only question is(and you guessed it) where did you get the scoop to floor fasteners.That is a nice clean installation.
Dick Maddux
Fox 4
Pensacola,Fl
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