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wcurtis(at)nerv10.com
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:36 am Post subject: BOSE (LEMO) headset jack in panel

Since I was planning to use Bose headsets in the RV-10 , I had already decided that I would NOT install the standard RCA earphone/mic audio jacks.  Instead I plan to ONLY install the Bose (LEMO) jacks with provision for earphone/mic audio and power for ANR.  That decision is even more reinforced now that Lightspeed is now offering their Zulu headset with the LEMO connector.  If I ever have to use a standard headset, I carry a RCA earphone/mic audio jack to LEMO adapter.



The only thing I cannot determine is if the Lightspeed LEMO is the same as the BOSE LEMO.  I can't find any details on the Lightspeed LEMO and I found one reference that states it is a 5 Pin LEMO where I know the Bose LEMO is a 6 pin.  It would be a shame if Lightspeed used a different form factor than the 6 pin LEMO that is used by Bose.



http://www.lemo.com/pdfs/catalog/ROW/UK_English/unipole_multipole.pdf



Bose owners guide with LEMO pin definitions.

http://www.bose.com/pdf/customer_service/owners/og_headset_x.pdf



http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/bosehdst.php

The Bose (LEMO) panel jacks are available at Aircraft Spruce

#11-01846 

Aircraft Panel Installation Kit

$31.00  

William

http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/

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rv(at)thelefflers.com
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:03 pm Post subject: BOSE (LEMO) headset jack in panel

Call Lightspeed and ask.  I've found them to be extremely responsive and more than willing to chat when I've called.

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 From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis(at)nerv10.com>

 Date: 2008/07/16 Wed PM 02:43:42 EST

 To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

 Subject: BOSE (LEMO) headset jack in panel

 Since I was planning to use Bose headsets in the RV-10 , I had already decided that I would NOT install the standard RCA earphone/mic audio jacks.  Instead I plan to ONLY install the Bose (LEMO) jacks with provision for earphone/mic audio and power for ANR.  That decision is even more reinforced now that Lightspeed is now offering their Zulu headset with the LEMO connector.  If I ever have to use a standard headset, I carry a RCA earphone/mic audio jack to LEMO adapter.

 The only thing I cannot determine is if the Lightspeed LEMO is the same as the BOSE LEMO.  I can't find any details on the Lightspeed LEMO and I found one reference that states it is a 5 Pin LEMO where I know the Bose LEMO is a 6 pin.  It would be a shame if Lightspeed used a different form factor than the 6 pin LEMO that is used by Bose.

 http://www.lemo.com/pdfs/catalog/ROW/UK_English/unipole_multipole.pdf

 Bose owners guide with LEMO pin definitions.

 http://www.bose.com/pdf/customer_service/owners/og_headset_x.pdf

 http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/bosehdst.php

 The Bose (LEMO) panel jacks are available at Aircraft Spruce

 #11-01846 

 Aircraft Panel Installation Kit

 $31.00  

 William

 http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/

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ricksked(at)embarqmail.co
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:05 pm Post subject: BOSE (LEMO) headset jack in panel

William,



I have both in mine, standard RCA and the Bose panel powered LEMO but I would love to take my Bose to other aircraft, do you know of an adapter that will go on the LEMO to RCA jacks? At OSH last year they said nothing excpet they would sell me a new cord for the headset for $135 but it would be easy for me to swap out..something I'd rather not do. I do plan another Bose for the RV-10...just I have two other perfectly good ANR headsets for passengers that don't have their own.



Rick Sked

40185

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rv(at)thelefflers.com
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:15 pm Post subject: BOSE (LEMO) headset jack in panel

http://www.lightspeedaviation.com/content.cfm/Knowledge-Base/FAQ

Is Zulu available in an aircraft powered version to eliminate the need for

AA batteries?



Yes.  The Zulu: P is the aircraft powered version.  It uses the most common

aircraft powered ANR headset plug, the 6-pin LEMO.  This plug is standard on

all Cirrus and Cessna 350, and 400 series aircraft.  Should you need it, the

mating half of the connector is available from many pilot supply retail

stores.



It still doesn't answer your question, but it does appear like there may be

some hope that they are compatible



Bob



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Tim Olson

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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:51 pm Post subject: BOSE (LEMO) headset jack in panel

I wired all 4 locations for both Bose and standard jacks.

I know, that doesn't answer the Lightspeed vs. Bose

question.  I have had a couple people ride along that

preferred to use their own, which is understandable.  I

also have a spare standard cord I can use if I need.



I installed a 5th headset jack for the rear seat that

often gets used to feed audio into a video camera.

That comes in handy sometimes.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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Rick Sked wrote:

[quote] 

 

 William,

 

 I have both in mine, standard RCA and the Bose panel powered LEMO but

 I would love to take my Bose to other aircraft, do you know of an

 adapter that will go on the LEMO to RCA jacks? At OSH last year they

 said nothing excpet they would sell me a new cord for the headset for

 $135 but it would be easy for me to swap out..something I'd rather

 not do. I do plan another Bose for the RV-10...just I have two other

 perfectly good ANR headsets for passengers that don't have their own.

 

 

 Rick Sked 40185 ---

rdoerr(at)kc.rr.com
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 4:41 pm Post subject: BOSE (LEMO) headset jack in panel

You may also want to compare it to the David Clark ones as well.  I have the Flightcom ANR Panel Power Headset and then use a 10 pin connector which is a pain because they are the one one I know of that use this connector.  I too am thinking of mabe the Bose or Lightspeed and I also have the normal jack in case someone want to use there own headset without adapters.



Ray



---- William Curtis <wcurtis(at)nerv10.com> wrote: 

 	  Quote: 	
		   Since I was planning to use Bose headsets in the RV-10 , I had already decided that I would NOT install the standard RCA earphone/mic audio jacks.  Instead I plan to ONLY install the Bose (LEMO) jacks with provision for earphone/mic audio and power for ANR.  That decision is even more reinforced now that Lightspeed is now offering their Zulu headset with the LEMO connector.  If I ever have to use a standard headset, I carry a RCA earphone/mic audio jack to LEMO adapter.

 

 The only thing I cannot determine is if the Lightspeed LEMO is the same as the BOSE LEMO.  I can't find any details on the Lightspeed LEMO and I found one reference that states it is a 5 Pin LEMO where I know the Bose LEMO is a 6 pin.  It would be a shame if Lightspeed used a different form factor than the 6 pin LEMO that is used by Bose.

 

 http://www.lemo.com/pdfs/catalog/ROW/UK_English/unipole_multipole.pdf

 

 Bose owners guide with LEMO pin definitions.

 http://www.bose.com/pdf/customer_service/owners/og_headset_x.pdf

 

 http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/bosehdst.php

 The Bose (LEMO) panel jacks are available at Aircraft Spruce

 #11-01846 

 Aircraft Panel Installation Kit

 $31.00  

 

 

 William

 http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/

AirMike

Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Posts: 514
Location: Nevada

Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:12 am Post subject: BOSE (LEMO) headset jack in panel

I would reinforce the decision to also put in the RCA jacks as a back up.

Kinda like a backup set of steam guages......

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wcurtis(at)nerv10.com
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:43 pm Post subject: BOSE (LEMO) headset jack in panel

Well I guess like all things "it depends!" To use your analogy, If you are a VFR pilot and only fly VFR, the need for steam gauge backup is kind of redundant as looking out the window should be your backup.  Same thing with jacks, are you worried about the jacks failing or that you may bring the wrong headsets?



All the same signals are in the LEMO jacks, only in a different form factor.  I'm looking at a source for the male LEMO jacks and will make a few female RCA to male LEMO adapters.  Should be able to put these together for a LOT less than the $100-$135 that Bose is asking--stay tuned.  But then thier adapter includes a battery case for power.  If you just want to get RCA signal to LEMO signal, its just wires.



William

http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/ 



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ricksked(at)embarqmail.co
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:24 pm Post subject: BOSE (LEMO) headset jack in panel

William I think that's the kicker, you need a power supply if your using the headset on standard RCA jacks. It is soooo nice just plugging in the panel powered Bose headsets with that LEMO jack.



Rick Sked

40185

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billderou(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:25 pm Post subject: BOSE (LEMO) headset jack in panel

I installed the Bose (Lemo) connectors and fell into a trap with all the black wires. From memory:  there are four or more pairs emitting from the connector and each pair has a black wire. These are not common. You must use a meter and identify each wire. 

  

Bill DeRouchey 

N939SB, flying 

--- On Thu, 7/17/08, Rick Sked <ricksked(at)embarqmail.com> wrote:

 [quote]From: Rick Sked <ricksked(at)embarqmail.com>

Subject: Re: Re: BOSE (LEMO) headset jack in panel

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 2:19 PM



[quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick Sked <ricksked(at)embarqmail.com>  William I think that's the kicker, you need a power supply if your using the headset on standard RCA jacks. It is soooo nice just plugging in the panel powered Bose headsets with that LEMO jack.  Rick Sked 40185   ---

ricksked(at)embarqmail.co
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:24 pm Post subject: BOSE (LEMO) headset jack in panel

And they are very TEENY TINY WIRES.....bust out the reading glasses on these puppies!!! Not that I don't bust them out anyhow! Given your advanced age Bill, how did you ever see them?   

Rick Sked 

40185 

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wcurtis(at)nerv10.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:53 am Post subject: BOSE (LEMO) headset jack in panel

Just to clarify,  since I will only have the LEMO jacks, I would only need the RCA (female) to LEMO (male) adapter if I wanted to use a headset with regular RCA plugs-this requires no power.



If I want to use the Bose headsets with LEMO jacks in another aircraft without LEMO jacks, there are two options;

 1) You can easily make an adapter by purchasing the $30 installation kit from spruce, adding RCA plugs and wire the power leads into a cigarette lighter adapter or battery pack.

 2) You can purchase the Bose LEMO to RCA adapter with battery pack for about $100-$135.



Installing only the LIMO jacks actually simplifies wiring.  I've seen folks totally mess up their intercom wiring and introduce ground loops when tying the RCA jacks to the LEMO in the panel.



William

http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/ 



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