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wstucklen1(at)cox.net
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:08 pm Post subject: IO-360 with vertical sump

Can any  one tell me what they used for the throttle/mixture bracket and throttle/mixture  cable lengths for an IO-360 with a vertical sump? I'm installing a TMX IO-360  with the experimental Precision fuel body. Relative to a Carburetor, the  throttle & mixture positions are reversed. It looks like Van's  Throttle/Mixture bracket is OK for the Throttle, but will require modifications  for the Mixture side. Also, it looks like the cables have to be  longer.

   If anyone has  pictures of this type of installation, and specifics on the bracket and cable  lengths, it would be a great help...

  

 Fred  Stucklen

 RV-7A  N924RV  (Hope to be flying by Labor  Day!)

carl.froehlich(at)cox.net
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:14 pm Post subject: IO-360 with vertical sump

I back fitted Airflow Performance fuel injection on RV-8A with a Van’s O-360-A1A.  Both throttle and mixture required custom cable brackets, the mixture being the far harder of the two.  For the 8A the gear leg interference is the problem.  

   

I got a few lengths of 1x1 and 2x2 aluminum angle stock in 1/8” and 3/16” thicknesses.  Each bracket required two pieces of angle cut just right to make the complex arm for where the control cable is secured.  Once this is done, fabricate the small piece of angle with the terminating hole for the cable and bolt it to the now assembled arm.  I trimmed the angle to clear interference as needed, and to eliminate unnecessary bulk.  

   

I had a lot of scrap aluminum and aluminum dust when I got done with this painful evolution.  

   

Carl Froehlich  

RV-8A (450 hrs)  

RV-10 (fuselage)  

       

From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Stucklen

 Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 4:04 PM

 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: IO-360 with vertical sump  

  

  

     

   Can any one tell me what they used for the throttle/mixture bracket and throttle/mixture cable lengths for an IO-360 with a vertical sump? I'm installing a TMX IO-360 with the experimental Precision fuel body. Relative to a Carburetor, the throttle & mixture positions are reversed. It looks like Van's Throttle/Mixture bracket is OK for the Throttle, but will require modifications for the Mixture side. Also, it looks like the cables have to be longer.  

    

  If anyone has pictures of this type of installation, and specifics on the bracket and cable lengths, it would be a great help...  

    

   

  

Fred Stucklen  

RV-7A  N924RV  (Hope to be flying by Labor Day!)

Terry Watson

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 290
Location: Seattle, WA USA

Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:54 pm Post subject: IO-360 with vertical sump

I  have a series of detail photos of the bracket I made for my RV-8A with a Superior IO-360A1B with Airflow Performance fuel injection. As Carl says, it took a lot of aluminum to come up with just the right combination that would work. It’s been awhile so I don’t remember the details, but I can send the photos or post them to a website if that would help.  

   

Terry  

RV-8A #80729  

Stalled in  the shop  

       

From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Froehlich

 Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 4:10 PM

 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: IO-360 with vertical sump  

  

  

   

I back fitted Airflow Performance fuel injection on RV-8A with a Van’s O-360-A1A.  Both throttle and mixture required custom cable brackets, the mixture being the far harder of the two.  For the 8A the gear leg interference is the problem.  

   

I got a few lengths of 1x1 and 2x2 aluminum angle stock in 1/8” and 3/16” thicknesses.  Each bracket required two pieces of angle cut just right to make the complex arm for where the control cable is secured.  Once this is done, fabricate the small piece of angle with the terminating hole for the cable and bolt it to the now assembled arm.  I trimmed the angle to clear interference as needed, and to eliminate unnecessary bulk.  

   

I had a lot of scrap aluminum and aluminum dust when I got done with this painful evolution.  

   

Carl Froehlich  

RV-8A (450 hrs)  

RV-10 (fuselage)  

       

From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Stucklen

 Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 4:04 PM

 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: IO-360 with vertical sump  

  

  

     

   Can any one tell me what they used for the throttle/mixture bracket and throttle/mixture cable lengths for an IO-360 with a vertical sump? I'm installing a TMX IO-360 with the experimental Precision fuel body. Relative to a Carburetor, the throttle & mixture positions are reversed. It looks like Van's Throttle/Mixture bracket is OK for the Throttle, but will require modifications for the Mixture side. Also, it looks like the cables have to be longer.  

    

  If anyone has pictures of this type of installation, and specifics on the bracket and cable lengths, it would be a great help...  

    

   

  

Fred Stucklen  

RV-7A  N924RV  (Hope to be flying by Labor Day!)

Bret Smith

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 178
Location: Mineral Bluff, GA

Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:45 pm Post subject: IO-360 with vertical sump

Terry, I would like to see any photos you have.  I am installing  (actually, trying to figure out how) the AFP FI on my  IO-360.

  

 Bret Smith

 RV-9A N16BL

 Blue Ridge, Ga

 www.FlightInnovations.com

  



   From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Terry  Watson

Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 8:49 PM

To:  rv-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: IO-360 with vertical  sump

 

  

I   have a series of detail photos of the bracket I made for my RV-8A with a  Superior IO-360A1B with Airflow Performance fuel injection. As Carl says, it  took a lot of aluminum to come up with just the right combination that would  work. It’s been awhile so I don’t remember the details, but I can send the  photos or post them to a website if that would help. 

  

Terry 

RV-8A  #80729 

Stalled  in  the shop 

    

From:  owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]  On Behalf Of Carl Froehlich

Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 4:10  PM

To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: IO-360  with vertical sump



 

  

I back fitted Airflow Performance  fuel injection on RV-8A with a Van’s O-360-A1A.  Both throttle and mixture  required custom cable brackets, the mixture being the far harder of the two.   For the 8A the gear leg interference is the problem. 

  

I got a few lengths of 1x1 and 2x2  aluminum angle stock in 1/8” and 3/16” thicknesses.  Each bracket required  two pieces of angle cut just right to make the complex arm for where the control  cable is secured.  Once this is done, fabricate the small piece of angle  with the terminating hole for the cable and bolt it to the now assembled  arm.  I trimmed the angle to clear interference as needed, and to eliminate  unnecessary bulk. 

  

I had a lot of scrap aluminum and  aluminum dust when I got done with this painful evolution. 

  

Carl  Froehlich 

RV-8A (450  hrs) 

RV-10  (fuselage) 

    

From:  owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]  On Behalf Of Fred Stucklen

Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 4:04  PM

To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: IO-360 with  vertical sump



 

   

   Can any  one tell me what they used for the throttle/mixture bracket and throttle/mixture  cable lengths for an IO-360 with a vertical sump? I'm installing a TMX IO-360  with the experimental Precision fuel body. Relative to a Carburetor, the  throttle & mixture positions are reversed. It looks like Van's  Throttle/Mixture bracket is OK for the Throttle, but will require modifications  for the Mixture side. Also, it looks like the cables have to be  longer.

  

  If anyone has  pictures of this type of installation, and specifics on the bracket and cable  lengths, it would be a great help...

  

 

 

Fred  Stucklen 

RV-7A   N924RV  (Hope to be flying by Labor Day!)

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Dick Sipp

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 215
Location: Hope, MI

Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:50 pm Post subject: IO-360 with vertical sump

Email Don at AFP or give him a call.  I believe he has a  photo library of installation examples.

  

 Dick Sipp

 RV10 N110DV

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Terry Watson

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 290
Location: Seattle, WA USA

Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:29 pm Post subject: IO-360 with vertical sump

I  posted the pictures on this website: tcwatson.zenfolio.com.  Look for the RV-8A details gallery. Feel free to poke around my other photos. There are a few very old photos of T-37 formation aerobatics by one of my pilot training classmates that are  fun.  

   

Terry

Bret Smith

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 178
Location: Mineral Bluff, GA

Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:38 am Post subject: IO-360 with vertical sump

Thank you Terry,  very nicely done.  That  is a great help.

  

 Bret Smith

RV-9A "Canopy"

Blue Ridge,  GA

www.FlightInnovations.com

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RV-9A (Emp)

rv9jim(at)juno.com
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:08 pm Post subject: IO-360 with vertical sump

Bret,

        I have AFP FI on my IO 360 and I made custom brackets.  You can

see them on my web site at www.websites.expercraft.com/jimn   and if that

is not enough, I can e=mail you the pix I took to mount the system.  I

used the material that AFP provided and cut pieces to make up the

brackets and had them welded  to mount the cables.  I could have had a

longer mixture cable and it would have been better.  THe only fire wlall

position that matched up was for the throttle.  I made the bracket such

that it was a straight shot to the throttle linkage.  The mixture bracket

was such that I had the cable come down from the top , just clearing the

fuel pump and terminating with the lainkage working thru the vertical

mode.  That penetrated the fire wall thru the off set for the oil filter.

 I have a 90* adapter so the filter mounts in the "vertical mode.  That

freeded up that area.  Again, if you want more pix I can send them to

you.   It all works out fine as I  have 5 hours TT on the airframe,  Just

cleared to fly---   keep pounding as they are fine birds to take flight.

Jim

N15JN

RV9-A

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Fred.Stucklen(at)UTCPower
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:41 am Post subject: IO-360 with vertical sump

I'm installing the Precision Silver hawk Fuel body, which is essentially the same as the old Bendix unit, on a vertical sump TMX IO-360. It would appear that Van's IO-320/360 Throttle/Mixture bracket will work for this fuel body….  

  So now I only have to determine where the firewall penetrations will go, and how long the cables need to be….   

Fred Stucklen  

RV-7A  N924RV (Hope to be flying by 9/1/08….)     [quote][b]

Bret Smith

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 178
Location: Mineral Bluff, GA

Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:39 am Post subject: IO-360 with vertical sump

Thanks Jim,



I have used your site several times and it has been very helpful.  Thanks 

for doing such a great job with it.



Bret Smith

RV-9A "Canopy"

Blue Ridge, GA

www.FlightInnovations.com

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