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mikefapex

Joined: 05 Jul 2007
Posts: 70
Location: Colorado

Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:30 am Post subject: Sportair electrical workshop?

SportAir is coming to a city near me in the fall and I was wondering if the good folks on this list have an opinion about the quality of the electrical workshop?  I'm pretty far along (because of this list!), wiring the front panel, but interested to know if it might be worth the time spent attending.



Thanks in advance,



Mike

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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:54 am Post subject: Sportair electrical workshop?

I took the class at Willow Run Airport near Detroit.  To a wiring imbecile

such as myself, it was very helpful in getting hands-on work with the

different crimping and soldering techniques (BNCs, sib-Ds, etc.)  The

instructor was very helpful at answering any questions.  If you've already

done those things (successfully), you may get a limited benefit.  The

wiring theories and wire gauge calculation stuff helped me, too, since I'm

pretty clueless when it comes to wiring, but it sounds like you've done

these things already as well.



Doug Fischer

RV-9A Wings

Jenison, MI



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 SportAir is coming to a city near me in the fall and I was wondering if

 the good folks on this list have an opinion about the quality of the

 electrical workshop?  I'm pretty far along (because of this list!), wiring

 the front panel, but interested to know if it might be worth the time

 spent attending.



 Thanks in advance,



 Mike





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kkinney

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 42

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:38 am Post subject: Re: Sportair electrical workshop?

It's just my crusty, old, poorly considered opinion, but I have been to both Bob's & Sportairs electric workshops.  Given a choice, I prefer Bob's workshop.

I realize there are probably many different instructors (I'm told Bob even taught Sportair once...) so your mileage is certain to vary.  Speaking entirely for myself, the instructor I had was an A&P interested in restoring aircraft.  He wrinkled his nose at quick connects and didn't really care a fig for homebuilt aircraft.  Soldering was the only way to go and nothing else would do.  

Old school AC 43-13 all the way.



If you've started down the AEC electrical path, you're probably more knowledgeable than the average Sportair attendee.  If you own a copy of AEC (and have read it) you may not find anything new.



With that said, if you're not able to attend one of Bobs workshops, Sportair is a decent way to go.  What it WILL do is give you some good hands-on experience.



Must my .02 worth,  (actual value may be far less)

Kevin Kinney

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DaveG601XL

Joined: 27 Oct 2006
Posts: 351
Location: Cincinnati, Oh

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:23 am Post subject: Re: Sportair electrical workshop?

Mike,



I will give you my Sport Air Workshop experience to slightly counter balance my buddy Kevin's words.  I have not been to one of Bob's seminars and there were none in my area so when Sport Air came to Columbus, OH last fall I jumped on board.  The instructor I had was Dick Koeller who writes articles for Sport Aviation and won the Bingellis award last year.  He was not the crusty A&P that Kevin had.  We did cover soldering, but not as the only way to connect two wires together.  The most practical skill I got out of the class was making an intercom harness and a BNC connection.  It seems embarrassingly simple to me now, but prior to the class, both were a little intimidating to me.



Even though I have an A&P ticket (not exercised in 20+ years) and had done some car stereo installs in my youth, I still got a lot out of the class.  Unless you have a real grasp of all things electrical and were looking for something more advanced, I would take the class.  Just the discussions we had in-between class sessions was worth the price of admission.  I came with a partial set of electrical schematics for my airplane, gleaned from Bob's Z diagrams, and much to my benefit, we critiqued it in class.  



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mikefapex

Joined: 05 Jul 2007
Posts: 70
Location: Colorado

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:13 am Post subject: Re: Sportair electrical workshop?

Thanks so far to those replying to my question about the SportAir workshops. 



I do believe I am pretty far along in my project and understanding about my electrical system. Hell, you should see my right wrist and forearm after all the crimping I've been doing. Popeye's got nothing on me .  But I'm no expert, so I am leaning towards attending if the time allows. If I find out who the instructor is I will post here.



Thanks again,



Mike

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mikefapex

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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:55 am Post subject: Re: Sportair electrical workshop?

I received this from SportAir



"Kas Osterbuhr will instruct the electrical course at our Broomfield/Denver area workshop."



Any feedback on this electrical course instructor?



Thanks,



Mike

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grandy(at)rushmore.com
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:24 pm Post subject: Sportair electrical workshop?

I had him at the same course there a couple years ago.  Very good in  

my opinion.  Good experience with

homebuilt aircraft and very good with the electronics.  Course is  

pretty basic, but gives you a very good foundation.

I especially valued the recommendations for tools and materials.



Randy

On Jul 24, 2008, at 10:55 AM, mikef wrote:



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 I received this from SportAir



 "Kas Osterbuhr will instruct the electrical course at our Broomfield/ 

 Denver area workshop."



 Any feedback on this electrical course instructor?



 Thanks,



 Mike





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