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espuny(at)terra.com.br
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:18 am Post subject: Kitfox serial number

Hi!

Can anyone in this list tell me if there's a serial number on the Kitfox

fuselage? I have the original invoices from SkyStar, but no serial informed

in it, so I cannot really know if it refers to that particular plane or not.

Last week I almost purchased a Vixen, but with the help of some friends

discovered that it wasn't original, but a plane with many non-expertise

home-made modifications and, worried about problems, did not make the trade.



Now I aimed my interests on a Classic IV, but want to know if it's original.

I flew it and everything seems to be OK; not so fast, but very stable, no

vibrations, quickier responses than a Cessna, and very, very fun.

I've posted an e-mail to Kitfox with the invoices numbers, but I don't know

if they still have the 1992 files in order to send me any information.

So, I'm here again, begging your help.



Thanks.



Espuny



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msm_9949(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:18 am Post subject: Kitfox serial number

I recall someone writing that the kit s/n is stamped on the airframe at the top center attach points for the shoulder harnasses. Whether it gets covered during construction I do not know.

 

Marco Menezes N99KX

Model 2 582-90 C-Box



--- On Mon, 7/21/08, Francisco Espuny <espuny(at)terra.com.br> wrote:



From: Francisco Espuny <espuny(at)terra.com.br>

Subject: Kitfox serial number

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 12:16 PM




<espuny(at)terra.com.br>



Hi!

Can anyone in this list tell me if there's a serial number on the Kitfox

fuselage? I have the original invoices from SkyStar, but no serial informed

in it, so I cannot really know if it refers to that particular plane or not

lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:34 am Post subject: Kitfox serial number

Francisco, the serial number is on the tab that is the mount for the center 

shoulder harness connection.



Lowell



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Tom Jones

Joined: 12 Mar 2006
Posts: 752
Location: Ellensburg, WA

Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:08 am Post subject: Re: Kitfox serial number

If you don't find the serial number on the center shoulder harness attach point look on the front of the horizontal stabilizer attach plate.  At some point they evidently started putting them there.  Thats where it is on my 1994 classic 4 kit.

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Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA

matronics(at)bob.brennan.
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:51 am Post subject: Kitfox serial number

Besides my Kitfox I am also interested in buying and restoring a 1943 L2,

which is the military version of the Taylorcraft Cub; which is a redesign of

the original "Cub" designed by C Gilbert Taylor which was sold to his

business partner William Piper who bought him out and began making the Piper

J3 Cub. I have found every restorer's dream - an intact L2 in a local garage

whose original owner is now 94 - he bought it as military surplus just after

the war. It last flew in 1995 and was supposedly airworthy when shoved into

a dark corner.



But my DAR says it better have full paperwork - or it will never fly again!

He (the DAR) says he owns the paperwork and title to a rare aircraft (I

forget which) and has *one spar*(!) from that airplane. He says he can

rebuild the plane *around* that spar (or more likely install it in a more

complete model) and claim it was a restoration of the original, with

paperwork. 



You can build a legal airplane around a documented spar, but an undocumented

complete flyable airplane cannot fly legally ever again. Go figure...



Bob Brennan

1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox

Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop

Wrightsville Pa 

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I'm curious, couldn't you hypothetically buy a totalled Kitfox and attach

all of your good parts to it except for the ID plate?

 

Pete



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peteohms

Joined: 31 Oct 2007
Posts: 224
Location: Leander, TX

Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:34 am Post subject: Kitfox serial number

Did it have an N-Number in 1995? If so maybe the faa has paperwork on it on 

file.



Pete



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Kitfox III, 912ul, Grove

matronics(at)bob.brennan.
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:02 am Post subject: Kitfox serial number

Excellent point Pete. The wings have the fabric mostly off but the fuselage

is still completely covered. I haven't totally convinced my old friend to

sell it to me yet but next time I'm there I will take note of the N number

which is hopefully on the tail. As far as I know he did a J3 conversion on

it at some point because it is currently yellow. I plan to restore it (if I

get it!) to its original drab green, much easier to spray than gloss yellow!



Bob Brennan

1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox

Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop

Wrightsville Pa



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thesupe(at)hotmail.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:19 pm Post subject: Kitfox serial number

If it has a registered N # it would take about 20 seconds to see who the listed owner is if you are on the FAA inquiry site.   http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_inquiry.asp   Just type in the # and hit the button.  This will even show what plane used to have that N # if it has been derigistered.  Jim Chuk   Kitfox4   Mn

[quote] From: matronics(at)bob.brennan.name

 To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Re: Kitfox serial number

 Date: Fri C 25 Jul 2008 14:58:59 -0400

 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Brennan" <matronics(at)bob.brennan.name>

 Excellent point Pete. The wings have the fabric mostly off but the fuselage

 is still completely covered. I haven't totally convinced my old friend to

 sell it to me yet but next time I'm there I will take note of the N number

 which is hopefully on the tail. As far as I know he did a J3 conversion on

 it at some point because it is currently yellow. I plan to restore it (if I

 get it!) to its original drab green C much easier to spray than gloss yellow!

 Bob Brennan

 1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox

 Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop

 Wrightsville Pa

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matronics(at)bob.brennan.
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:54 pm Post subject: Kitfox serial number

Thanks Jim, I will check the N number on that link as soon as I  know it. As I understand it though the most important thing is the paperwork  trail since it was built, and that trail runs right through the wartime (WW2)  military... I still find it astounding that the paperwork trail is more  important than the airplane itself!

  

 Bob Brennan

1991 UK  Model 2 Kitfox

Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop

Wrightsville Pa

 

  

   

 From:  owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim_and_Lucy  Chuk

Sent: 25 July 2008 4:17 pm

To:  kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Re: Kitfox serial  number

 

If it has a registered N # it would take about 20 seconds to see who  the listed owner is if you are on the FAA inquiry site.   http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_inquiry.asp    Just type in the # and hit the button.  This will even show what plane used  to have that N # if it has been derigistered.  Jim Chuk   Kitfox4    Mn



[quote] From: matronics(at)bob.brennan.name

 To:  kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Re: Kitfox serial  number

 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:58:59 -0400

 

 -->  Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Brennan"  <matronics(at)bob.brennan.name>

 

 Excellent point Pete. The  wings have the fabric mostly off but the fuselage

 is still completely  covered. I haven't totally convinced my old friend to

 sell it to me yet  but next time I'm there I will take note of the N number

 which is  hopefully on the tail. As far as I know he did a J3 conversion on

 it at  some point because it is currently yellow. I plan to restore it (if I

  get it!) to its original drab green, much easier to spray than gloss  yellow!

 

 Bob Brennan

 1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox

  Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop

 Wrightsville Pa

 

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Mnflyer

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Posts: 78

Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:24 pm Post subject: Re: Kitfox serial number

[quote="matronics(at)bob.brennan."]Besides my Kitfox I am also interested in buying and restoring a 1943 L2,

which is the military version of the Taylorcraft Cub; which is a redesign of

the original "Cub" designed by C Gilbert Taylor which was sold to his

business partner William Piper who bought him out and began making the Piper J3 Cub.





Hi Bob, the Taylorcraft L2 is a D series "T"craft as you say CG Taylor designed them after he and Bill Piper split up, the Cont powered versions were DC65's by far the most popular version and I believe the only ones that the military bought.

 

I have found every restorer's dream - an intact L2 in a local garage whose original owner is now 94 - he bought it as military surplus just after

the war. It last flew in 1995 and was supposedly airworthy when shoved into a dark corner.



But my DAR says it better have full paperwork - or it will never fly again!

He (the DAR) says he owns the paperwork and title to a rare aircraft (I

forget which) and has *one spar*(!) from that airplane. He says he can

rebuild the plane *around* that spar (or more likely install it in a more

complete model) and claim it was a restoration of the original, with

paperwork.



Personally I think you should be looking for a new DAR. If the Data plate is still attached to the aircraft and it has a "N" number you can get a history of the plane from the FAA, it costs a mere $10.00 also the military may still have records of its history when it was in the military.

Heres a great site to learn more about Taylorcrafts, A word of advice DON"T call "T"crafts Cubs or Pipers the "T" craft guys don't take kindly to that.

http://vb.taylorcraft.org/forumdisplay.php?s=&f=26&page=1&pp=25&sort=lastpost&order=desc&daysprune=-1



You can build a legal airplane around a documented spar, but an undocumented

complete flyable airplane cannot fly legally ever again. Go figure...



Bob Brennan

1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox

Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop

Wrightsville Pa

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MNFlyer
Flying a HKS Kitfox III

Float Flyr

Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 2704
Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 6:22 pm Post subject: Kitfox serial number

In fact the only part of the plane he really needs is the data plate to go

along with the paperwork.  Around that 2X3 in piece of metal he can build a

complete new airplane...  This is often done to revive old DHC beavers,



Noel



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Kitfox III-A
Aerocet 1100 Floats

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Posts: 2704
Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 6:26 pm Post subject: Kitfox serial number

You may also need the airframe logs.



Noel



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Kitfox III-A
Aerocet 1100 Floats

shinco(at)bright.net
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:26 pm Post subject: Kitfox serial number

Noel Loveys wrote:

[quote] 



 In fact the only part of the plane he really needs is the data plate to go

 along with the paperwork.  Around that 2X3 in piece of metal he can build a

 complete new airplane...  This is often done to revive old DHC beavers,



 Noel



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Posts: 2704
Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 1:02 pm Post subject: Kitfox serial number

As far as i know the answer top that would be yes but you wouldn't be able

to do it all at the one time.  The aircraft log would have to have an entry

or at leas a mention of each part as it was added.  You would also have to

have the flight authority that went with the data plate.  The nice thing

about homebuilt planes is there is no traceability of parts.  By that I mean

you don't have to have documentation for every nut and washer on the

plane... you would have to document, make an entry, for every part you

installed though.



So if you could say buy Lowell's wreckage you could conceivably rebuild it

using the parts from the British plane and fly under his flight authority.

The only catch may be that you would either have to be an A&P or Lowell

Fitt.



Noel



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Kitfox III-A
Aerocet 1100 Floats

matronics(at)bob.brennan.
Guest

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 1:25 pm Post subject: Kitfox serial number

Well I've got Lowell's spinner on my prop, that's a start!



I faxed my rebuttal to the first refusal to my DAR and he seems to think

it's all ok, so we're hopefully ready to apply as a Light Sport.



I am still confused though as to who actually says "ok" to issue the

Airworthiness Certificate, shouldn't it be the DAR himself?



Bob Brennan

1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox

Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop

Wrightsville Pa 



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