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Fox5flyer
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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:08 am Post subject: Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs

Mine cost me nothing.  The FAA guy drove from the Grand Rapids FSDO to my 

place in NE Michigan (about 4+ hours) and spent about 1 hour, most of it 

with the paperwork.  He was very nice and helpful.  No problems.  However, 

that was in May 2000 so things have probably changed greatly since then.  It 

appears that with some of these DARs it's become more of a business for 

profit than a service.

Deke Morisse

Mikado Michigan

S5/Subaru/CAP 383+ TT

"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."

- Joseph Joubert



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msm_9949(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:40 am Post subject: Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs

Mine was free too. That was in 2004. Grand Rapids FSDO couldn't schedule me for several months so I called Detroit. They scheduled within 3 weeks. Inspector drove 4 hours each way, spent less than an hour with me, mostly asking about golf courses in the area. I'm sure his sticks were in the trunk. Your tax dollars at wotk.  

  

Off to OSH tomorrow morning. 

  

Marco Menezes N99KX 

Model 2 582-90 C-Box



--- On Sat, 7/26/08, fox5flyer <fox5flyer(at)idealwifi.net> wrote:

 [quote]From: fox5flyer <fox5flyer(at)idealwifi.net>

Subject: Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 11:06 AM



[quote]--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer(at)idealwifi.net>  Mine cost me nothing.  The FAA guy drove from the Grand Rapids FSDO to my  place in NE Michigan (about 4+ hours) and spent about 1 hour, most of it  with the paperwork.  He was very nice and helpful.  No problems.  However,  that was in May 2000 so things have probably changed greatly since then.  It  appears that with some of these DARs it's become more of a business for  profit than a service. Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 383+ TT "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress." - Joseph Joubert  ---

matronics(at)bob.brennan.
Guest

Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:31 am Post subject: Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs

I think I'd rather pay with my tax dollars than $600 + per  hr + expenses.... 

 Anyone know/is a DAR willing to come to Wrightsville Pa?  Please?

  

  Bob Brennan

 1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox

 Rotax 582 with 3 blade  prop

 Wrightsville Pa  

   From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marco  Menezes

Sent: 27 July 2008 11:38 am

To:  kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Airworthiness  Certificate, and DARs

 

                   

Mine was free too. That was in 2004. Grand Rapids FSDO couldn't        schedule me for several months so I called Detroit. They scheduled within        3 weeks. Inspector drove 4 hours each way, spent less than an hour with        me, mostly asking about golf courses in the area. I'm sure his sticks were        in the trunk. Your tax dollars at wotk.        

        

Off to OSH tomorrow morning.       

        

Marco Menezes N99KX       

Model 2 582-90 C-Box



--- On Sat, 7/26/08, fox5flyer        <fox5flyer(at)idealwifi.net> wrote:

       [quote]From:          fox5flyer <fox5flyer(at)idealwifi.net>

Subject: Kitfox-List:          Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs

To:          kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 11:06          AM



[quote]--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer(at)idealwifi.net>  Mine cost me nothing.  The FAA guy drove from the Grand Rapids FSDO to my  place in NE Michigan (about 4+ hours) and spent about 1 hour, most of it  with the paperwork.  He was very nice and helpful.  No problems.  However,  that was in May 2000 so things have probably changed greatly since then.  It  appears that with some of these DARs it's become more of a business for  profit than a service. Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 383+ TT "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress." - Joseph Joubert  ---

peteohms

Joined: 31 Oct 2007
Posts: 224
Location: Leander, TX

Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:54 am Post subject: Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs

Doesn't anyone fly their plane to the DAR's  location? Seems like that would go along way to proving the aircraft airworthy  and save money.  :>)

  

 Pete

 Hell Paso, TX

 Kitfox III, SN# 1000, 912ul,

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Pete
Leander, TX
Kitfox III, 912ul, Grove

Fox5flyer
Guest

Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:13 am Post subject: Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs

Can one legally fly the airplane before receiving  the airworthiness certificate?  

 Deke Morisse

Mikado Michigan

S5/Subaru/CAP  382+ TT

"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but  progress."

- Joseph Joubert

  

 

  

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peteohms

Joined: 31 Oct 2007
Posts: 224
Location: Leander, TX

Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:01 am Post subject: Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs

No, I was just stirring the pot.  I have a  friend who has a newly built Legal Eagle and he is waiting on the DAR to come to  Las Cruces, NM from Albuquerque, NM.  I have been kidding him about flying  it to get it inspected.

  

  Pete

 Hell Paso, TX

 Kitfox III, SN# 1000,  912ul



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Pete
Leander, TX
Kitfox III, 912ul, Grove

larry huntley

Joined: 19 Jul 2008
Posts: 149

Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 12:42 pm Post subject: Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs

You could try for a ferry permit. Though I doubt  it. Never know.  Larry

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Larry Huntley,Dundee,NY
Kitfox 4-1200 N234EE
EA81,AMAX Redrive Warp 3 blade

dcsfoto

Joined: 24 Aug 2006
Posts: 120

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:54 am Post subject: Re: Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs

For a lot of us DARs it is a business. That is hoy I make my living.

lets do not forget, we also pay taxes. in fact about 55% of what I charge goes to the state and uncle sam.

That does not include the $1200 or so each year for the required FAA training.

Also, when there is an accident the first to get called is the DAR who has to hear the FAA monday morning QB every detail of the certification.



Getting my airplane certified was still cheaper than having my car AC repaired

gust a few days ago.



David

Kitfox 7 & 3

FAA DAR Maintenance & Manufacturing

matronics(at)bob.brennan.
Guest

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:44 am Post subject: Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs

Thanks for that perspective Dave. I have decided not to question my DAR's

fees, as I said he is well respected by everyone I spoke to. At the moment I

am waiting for him to get confirmation from the CAA (UK FAA) that my plane

has never had an Airworthiness Certificate (one of the requirements for

getting Light Sport). I had already gotten this information for him but he

needs it first hand to file with the documentation. So far he seems to be of

the attitude "do whatever needs to be done", and I may not find that in a

DAR who doesn't do it for a living. Of course there are those parts for his

old Fleet biplane he is restoring... No doubt soon to be paid for by me!

Hope he at least gives me a ride in it... 



Bob Brennan

1991 UK Model 2 Kitfox

Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop

Wrightsville Pa 



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larry huntley

Joined: 19 Jul 2008
Posts: 149

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 6:23 pm Post subject: Airworthiness Certificate, and DARs

Well stated David. It would do many of us well to think about that.   Larry 

(who is about to have his a/c fixed.

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Larry Huntley,Dundee,NY
Kitfox 4-1200 N234EE
EA81,AMAX Redrive Warp 3 blade

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