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jeffrey_davidson(at)earth
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 4:04 pm Post subject: CH 650 LS

On the AMD web site I found this:  

   

Redesigned in 2008 - the Zodiac CH 650:  

   

"The Zodiac CH 601 XL aircraft was redesigned for the Light Sport Aircraft category in 2004. The Zodiac CH 650 LS and LSi are different than the XL. The 650 series incorporates many changes that were made to the 601 series in Europe and around the world. The 650 series incorporates the best of everything. The Most noticeable difference is the canopy and rudder. Other changes includes lowering of the trailing edge of the wings (lowers the nose of the aircraft for better visibility), control changes (more balanced), tougher fuselage (good for flying schools), new canopy latching - locking system (easier to close and open the canopy), and a lot more."  

   

The canopy appears to offer some roll-over protection and the rudder is all-flying but looks different.  Part of the canopy is fixed in place.  

   

Is this new or am I just catching up?  

   

Jeff Davidson  

   

   

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Gig Giacona

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1416
Location: El Dorado Arkansas USA

Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:33 am Post subject: Re: CH 650 LS

The renaming is. The changes are all things I had heard about at various other times. The one exception is the wing angle changes. I'd not heard of that one.

[quote="jeffrey_davidson(at)earth"]On the AMD web site I found this:  

   

Redesigned in 2008 - the Zodiac CH 650:  

   

"The Zodiac CH 601 XL aircraft was redesigned for the Light Sport Aircraft category in 2004. The Zodiac CH 650 LS and LSi are different than the XL. The 650 series incorporates many changes that were made to the 601 series in Europe and around the world. The 650 series incorporates the best of everything. The Most noticeable difference is the canopy and rudder. Other changes includes lowering of the trailing edge of the wings (lowers the nose of the aircraft for better visibility), control changes (more balanced), tougher fuselage (good for flying schools), new canopy latching - locking system (easier to close and open the canopy), and a lot more."  

   

The canopy appears to offer some roll-over protection and the rudder is all-flying but looks different.  Part of the canopy is fixed in place.  

   

Is this new or am I just catching up?  

   

Jeff Davidson  

   

   

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jmaynard

Joined: 27 Feb 2008
Posts: 394
Location: Fairmont, MN (FRM)

Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:04 am Post subject: CH 650 LS

On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 08:00:41PM -0400, Jeff  wrote:

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		   Is this new or am I just catching up?


	


This is the aircraft I posted pictures of in early June while I was at the

AMD factory. I still haven't decided what I think of it: there's less

baggage space, and what there is is under plexiglass instead of metal. The

latching mechanism is the same one I have on mine. The rudder is a bit

different, but not dramatically so. I didn't know about the changed angle of

incidence on the wing; I don't know what difference it'll make, but lowering

the nose during the flare compared to the 601XL is probably a good thing.



I do note that the 650LS/LSi is $15K more expensive than the last price on

the AMD 601XL. At that, it's still a good deal, but not the bargain mine

was.  After all, the only other IFR-capable SLSA is still $10K more, and

that's if its price hasn't gone up since March...

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Fairmont, MN (FRM)                        (Yes, that's me!)

AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!)

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Gig Giacona

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1416
Location: El Dorado Arkansas USA

Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:36 am Post subject: Re: CH 650 LS

I know you don't like to use it Jay, but there's a little switch there in the center of your panel that will bring that nose right down.  



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 	  jmaynard wrote: 	
		  On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 08:00:41PM -0400, Jeff  wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Is this new or am I just catching up?



	


This is the aircraft I posted pictures of in early June while I was at the

AMD factory. I still haven't decided what I think of it: there's less

baggage space, and what there is is under plexiglass instead of metal. The

latching mechanism is the same one I have on mine. The rudder is a bit

different, but not dramatically so. I didn't know about the changed angle of

incidence on the wing; I don't know what difference it'll make, but lowering

the nose during the flare compared to the 601XL is probably a good thing.



I do note that the 650LS/LSi is $15K more expensive than the last price on

the AMD 601XL. At that, it's still a good deal, but not the bargain mine

was.  After all, the only other IFR-capable SLSA is still $10K more, and

that's if its price hasn't gone up since March...

-- 

Jay Maynard, K5ZC                   http://www.conmicro.com

http://jmaynard.livejournal.com      http://www.tronguy.net

Fairmont, MN (FRM)                        (Yes, that's me!)

AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!)

_________________
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR

jmaynard

Joined: 27 Feb 2008
Posts: 394
Location: Fairmont, MN (FRM)

Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:48 am Post subject: CH 650 LS

On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 07:36:38AM -0700, Gig Giacona wrote:

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		   I know you don't like to use it Jay, but there's a little switch there in

 the center of your panel that will bring that nose right down.  


	


Oh, it does that just fine all the way *to* the flare, but it doesn't help

much at all *in* the flare. 



do not archive

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Jay Maynard, K5ZC                   http://www.conmicro.com

http://jmaynard.livejournal.com      http://www.tronguy.net

Fairmont, MN (FRM)                        (Yes, that's me!)

AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!)

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AMD Zodiac XLi N55ZC

dstasch

Joined: 21 Mar 2008
Posts: 8

Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:39 pm Post subject: Re: CH 650 LS

Hello everyone,



After a lot of research, gathering tools and saving money, I've had my heart set on the 601xl.  Now that I'm ready to order my rudder kit, I see this thread on the 650sl and now I'm not sure which kit to order.



I like everything about the xl.  I know about the wing issues but I feel with the independent engineering testing from the ZBAG group, and everyone else looking into it, these issues (if there are any) will be resolved before I get that far along on my plane. 



With the xl I have all of your collective expertise, web page builds and the homebuilt video library to help me with my build and I really like the look of the xl. 



Obviously I don't know anything about the sl.  I wouldn't have all the helpful resources as I would with the xl, but I also don't mind just jumping in and just go for it either.  I think the sl looks a lot like the xl but I don't really like the looks of the new canopy design.  The sl is the replacement for the xl so maybe that is the way to go?



I'm sure the best idea would be to wait until more info comes out on the sl but I'm just really not that patient 



If you weren't already building (or have completed) an xl, which one would you order.



Thanks, 

David



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amyvega2005(at)earthlink.
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:52 pm Post subject: CH 650 LS

Order the one you like.  They are one and the same.  The only difference is the Rudder and Canopy.  

Make your own decision, just pick one and start building.



Juan



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chris Sinfield

Joined: 28 Nov 2006
Posts: 270
Location: Sydney Australia

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 3:18 am Post subject: Re: CH 650 LS

Sabrina



There appears to be a new cross support in the wing between the ribs behind the fuel tank. Compare 



I think that is the support for the wing locker option as I have that in my XL..



I think it would be very easy to add the extra cross L angles in the rear fuse at any time before paint.



Zenith have said the new canopy locking system can be fitted to any existing XL with some modifications to get rid of the 2 stage locking system.



Chris..

LHusky

Joined: 19 Jun 2008
Posts: 86
Location: Madras, Oregon

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 5:06 am Post subject: CH 650 LS

Does anyone have enough information to determine if the new wings can be  retrofitted to an XL fuselage?  

  

 Larry Husky 

 Madras, Oregon

  

  In a message dated 7/29/2008 4:21:58 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  chris_sinfield(at)yahoo.com.au writes:

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		  -->    Zenith-List message posted by: "chris Sinfield"    <chris_sinfield(at)yahoo.com.au>



Sabrina



There appears to be    a new cross support in the wing between the ribs behind the fuel tank. Compare    



I think that is the support for the wing locker option as I have that    in my XL..



I think it would be very easy to add the extra cross L    angles in the rear fuse at any time before paint.



Zenith have said the    new canopy locking system can be fitted to any existing XL with some    modifications to get rid of the 2 stage locking    system.



Chris..





Read this topic online    here:



http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195513#195513

	




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Scotsman

Joined: 27 Aug 2007
Posts: 89
Location: Johannesburg, South Africa

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 6:13 am Post subject: Re: CH 650 LS

I think that the new canopy etc is a real improvement on the previous version.  Does anyone know if you can, reasonably simply, fit the 650 canopy arrangement to a standard XL as it just looks like a revised canopy with an additional chunk removed from the upper fuselage skin of the XL version?



Cheers



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