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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:36 pm Post subject: Heavy stick for aileron's

I'd say you should be forced to re-read all the archived comments on  

this subject, including mine where I asked what the hell were these  

skimpy little "bearings" that I wanted to leave off, and people set  

me straight. : )  And then maybe a few "hail to the Great God Paso"  

's and that oughtta get you back in.



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster

Jabiru 2200

Status: flying w/547+ hrs





On Jul 17, 2008, at 5:12 PM, Pete Christensen wrote:



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 My name is Pete and I have a confession.  I have been flying my  

 Kitfox III without the nylon bearings.  It looks like these  

 bearings were attached to the hatch cover.  Until now I figured  

 they were unnecessary since mine are broken off.  How can I be made  

 to see the error of my ways and be accepted back to the flock?

 Pete

 Hell Paso, TX

 Kitfox III, 912ul, Grove gear



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kcflys

Joined: 28 Aug 2007
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Location: Rancho Cordova, CA

Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:05 pm Post subject: Heavy stick for aileron's

You been smokin' again Lynn?

Keith C.

Mod IV 912 IVO

Mather (MHR) CA



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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:33 pm Post subject: Heavy stick for aileron's

Nahhhh....just entertaining a beer or two. : )     Why, ya got some?



Back from truckin school? How goes the taildragger lessons in the  

Kitfox? Good to hear from you, Keith.



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster

Jabiru 2200

Status: flying w/547+ hrs

please, please, do not archive



On Jul 17, 2008, at 10:02 PM, Keith C. wrote:



[quote] 



 You been smokin' again Lynn?

 Keith C.

 Mod IV 912 IVO

 Mather (MHR) CA



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Dwight Early

Joined: 15 Jul 2008
Posts: 17
Location: Indiana

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:46 am Post subject: Re: Heavy stick for aileron's

Thanks guys for all of the great commits.

I flew about a hour last night and played with the flaperon handle, which I have found that with the handle up about a 1/2" my stick is equally light in all directions. This now takes away the concerns of me stressing the ribs that they are attached to.

As to the weights, they now don't seem to be the issue.

If I someone could come up with a copy of how to set the flaperons properly I would be interested in reading.  Thanks

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FlyboyTR

Joined: 04 Nov 2006
Posts: 215
Location: Mobile, Alabama

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 5:04 am Post subject: Re: Heavy stick for aileron's

 	  Michel wrote: 	
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		   From: FlyboyTR [flyboytr(at)bellsouth.net]

 I have an ongoing issue with the teflon bearings you mentioned.

.. oops! As Jeff says, it is a nylon bearing, Travis. My mistake.

	


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		   If I don't keep them clean and lubed my stick pressures will increase while in flight

Very strange because if, as Jeff says, nylon is subject to heat and humidity, it doesn't require any lubrification. I know it not from aviation but from yachting since it is much used as rudder bearing. It is maintenance free.

	




Cheers,

Michel Verheughe

Norway

Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200

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The fit between my aileron tube and the nylon block/bushing is actually way too tight!  Without the occasional lube it starts chafing the paint and pretty much locks things down.  I have considered removed the arm so I could remove the block and increase the bore.  ...I should probably do that somewhere along the way!



Travis

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peteohms

Joined: 31 Oct 2007
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Location: Leander, TX

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 5:48 am Post subject: Heavy stick for aileron's

Lynn,



For my penance maybe the knowledgeable among the brethren could repeat some 

of the reasons for the bearings.  I plan to buy the 1/8" UHMW polyethylene 

today.



Pete

Hell Paso, TX

Kitfox III, 912ul, Grove gear



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Michel

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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:08 am Post subject: Heavy stick for aileron's

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		   From: FlyboyTR [flyboytr(at)bellsouth.net]

 I have considered removed the arm so I could remove the block and increase the

 bore.


	


You might need to do that, Travis. But, when I think of it, my nylon bearings have a slit from the side to the bore. I didn't build my Kitfox so I am not sure but ... could it be to allow for eventual expansion of the nylon? Just an idea.



Cheers,

Michel Verheughe

Norway

Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200

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Tom Jones

Joined: 12 Mar 2006
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Location: Ellensburg, WA

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:42 am Post subject: Re: Heavy stick for aileron's

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		  I have considered removed the arm so I could remove the block and increase the bore. ...I should probably do that somewhere along the way! 	
 



Travis, are your flaperon horn bearings not split?  The top half attached to the turtle deck and comes off when turtle deck is removed.  The bottom half attached to a hinge riveted to the fuselage.  It folds down.  Should be easy to get at with some sand paper.

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FlyboyTR

Joined: 04 Nov 2006
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Location: Mobile, Alabama

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:15 am Post subject: Re: Heavy stick for aileron's

Tom,

My flaperon horn bearings are one piece and attach to the inside of the fuslage.  If they were split that would make it easy!    It is very structurally sound the way it is made.  ...just no easy way to fix it!  Thanks for asking.



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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 9:08 am Post subject: Heavy stick for aileron's

How do you fold your wings if the bearings are one piece?  Perhaps the later models are different than the model 4 and older.  Jim Chuk  Kitfox 4  Mn



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 My flaperon horn bearings are one piece and attach to the inside of the fuslage. If they were split that would make it easy!  It is very structurally sound the way it is made. ...just no easy way to fix it! Thanks for asking.

 

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FlyboyTR

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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 9:21 am Post subject: Re: Heavy stick for aileron's

They are triangle in shape.  The fuselage has two pins about 2.5" apart with a threaded fitting in the middle.  The nylon piece is drilled and slides over the two pins (they stabilize the part) and then a "T" bolt goes through the part (in between the pins) and threads into the fitting.  The bolt is drilled and a safety pin goes through the end of the bolt to keep it from backing out.  After removing the turtle deck, it takes about a minute to unclip, unscrew and slide the nylon part off the pins.  Then the wing can fold.



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peteohms

Joined: 31 Oct 2007
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Location: Leander, TX

Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:49 pm Post subject: Heavy stick for aileron's

For information.  I installed the bearings on the hatch cover of my Kitfox 

III.  It had NO affect on the ailerons that I can detect.



Pete

Hell Paso, TX

III, 912ul, Grove

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57_kid

Joined: 27 Aug 2006
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:12 pm Post subject: Heavy stick for aileron's

Pete 

do you have the counter weights on the 3 or is that something for the later

models? Just wondering because my 5 is very light on the controls almost as

sensitive as a helicopter

Steve



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dave

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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:50 pm Post subject: Re: Heavy stick for aileron's

The nylon blocks are more a guide than a precision fit. 

If you need to lube them they are fitted too tight. 



Some lube will attract dirt and they will cause more friction. If you need a  lube get some lube that dries . I use a molybdenum spray lube for my amphib nose gear swivels. But no where else.

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FlyboyTR

Joined: 04 Nov 2006
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:40 pm Post subject: Re: Heavy stick for aileron's

Good point Dave.  I probably do need to clean it up..dry it out and use graphite to prevent the gooey mess!  Thanks!



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peteohms

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Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 6:09 am Post subject: Heavy stick for aileron's

The blocks on my III are made of polyethylene.  They cause no drag unlubed. 

There is no noticeable difference with them or without them.  I would say 

that if they need lube, they are too tight or binding.

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