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kearney(at)shaw.ca
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 Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:14 am Post subject: Constructive Feedback was Asymmetrical trim noted at OSH |
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Linn
Your post about "opting out" is a good segway into a topic that I wanted to
raise with the group.
Over my build process, this list has been my support group in a very real
sense. There are few builders where I am so I have had to learn as a go
along and call on the list when I run into problems. To that end, I find it
easier and easier to admit my mistakes and get help.
While at KOSH, I spoke with another builder who recognized my name from my
"Oh sh*t" posts. As a builder he was only lurking as he found the list a bit
intimidating. As a group, I believe that we need to encourage more builders
to raise their issues and problems so that they can move forward in the
knowledge that they are not alone in turning aluminum into scrap. If you
read the list over time, it is easy to get the impression that not many
"mistakes" are raised and therefore everyone is doing everything exactly
right.
While on the surface, having a "group inspection" of a/c at KOSH may sound
like a good idea, I am not sure I would appreciate an uninvited critique of
my workmanship. I suspect the process would all too easily evolve into a
beauty contest. I understand that anyone can look at any a/c at KOSH and
form their own opinions. This is fair dinkum. However, I don't think a
"group inspection" would be such a great idea as it might offend the mere
mortals on the list who are not building a show plane.
Perhaps a better approach would be to identify a few recognized
knowledgeable builders who can offer to review a/c one on one if asked. This
respects the individual builders while making a very worthwhile service
available in an informal and non-threatening manner.
Just my $0.02
Cheers
Les "some assembly required" Kearney
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flywrights(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 12:34 pm Post subject: Constructive Feedback was Asymmetrical trim noted at OSH |
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how about everybody come to my airport and inspect my airplane before the airworthiness inspector does? That'd be great!
i should be careful for what I wish!
Rob Wright
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windshield fairing and spinner
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pascal(at)rv10builder.net
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| Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 1:31 pm Post subject: Constructive Feedback was Asymmetrical trim noted at OSH |
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Les;
My problem is I read too much about the building process so I don't recall
where I read this but the group inspection idea is one I read and always
thought was a great idea. . I have had many come by and look for all my
shortfalls, my TC is a very knowledgeable RV pilot and I always dread what
he will say about my building, I listen carefully to every comment, I ask
questions and in the end am very happy for the feedback I received which
usually is far more optimistic than I held my building skills to be.
The important thing to remember is that we can take advice or leave it but
one needs to consider what is raised and seriously determine if it applies.
The good thing about a group (and this one is a great one) is that one can
say they messed up and get feedback, which I usually take as positive and
not harsh, Tim and a few others have made "gotchas" as a link to show how it
is common for us to have issues with steps and sections. Section 29 was a
breeze, the fuel tank sealing was a breeze, not because I am good, but
because I was given a gotcha to avoid and hence was able to take the plans
and adjust it to others issues so I would not have the same issue.
If one looks at all the great sites out there Tim's, Deems, William Curtis,
etc they have had many issues and they mention them and what they needed to
do to repair the issue, I have looked at all these sites, Mike Rowe's and
initially John Jensen to see what they did so I can work off of that as a
starting point.
Basically I think there is quite a lot out there to see what others have
done before us and sitting in front of a computer I have more courage to ask
a question and run than have someone look me in the face and say "you have
got to be kidding.." which I jest because usually the responses come back
quickly and allows one to think through options to repair the issue.
Pascal
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From: "Les Kearney" <kearney(at)shaw.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 11:10 AM
To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Constructive Feedback was Asymmetrical trim noted at
OSH
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Linn
Your post about "opting out" is a good segway into a topic that I wanted
to
raise with the group.
Over my build process, this list has been my support group in a very real
sense. There are few builders where I am so I have had to learn as a go
along and call on the list when I run into problems. To that end, I find
it
easier and easier to admit my mistakes and get help.
While at KOSH, I spoke with another builder who recognized my name from my
"Oh sh*t" posts. As a builder he was only lurking as he found the list a
bit
intimidating. As a group, I believe that we need to encourage more
builders
to raise their issues and problems so that they can move forward in the
knowledge that they are not alone in turning aluminum into scrap. If you
read the list over time, it is easy to get the impression that not many
"mistakes" are raised and therefore everyone is doing everything exactly
right.
While on the surface, having a "group inspection" of a/c at KOSH may sound
like a good idea, I am not sure I would appreciate an uninvited critique
of
my workmanship. I suspect the process would all too easily evolve into a
beauty contest. I understand that anyone can look at any a/c at KOSH and
form their own opinions. This is fair dinkum. However, I don't think a
"group inspection" would be such a great idea as it might offend the mere
mortals on the list who are not building a show plane.
Perhaps a better approach would be to identify a few recognized
knowledgeable builders who can offer to review a/c one on one if asked.
This
respects the individual builders while making a very worthwhile service
available in an informal and non-threatening manner.
Just my $0.02
Cheers
Les "some assembly required" Kearney
#40643
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AV8ORJWC
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Posts: 1149
Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"
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| Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:15 pm Post subject: Constructive Feedback was Asymmetrical trim noted at OSH |
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Which airport?
The DAR program involves non FAA personnel in the awarding of Airworthiness Certificates and the submission of application for a Repairman's Certificate. There was quite a discussion about DARs who are knowingly signing off multiple builds by the same builder for hire during the second 51% meeting at Osh. The first meeting on the 51% was by the FED about the rule change, in reality a policy change which "Is not about Safety".
You may have a DAR who is just right for you. We had a great Airworthiness Inspector who moved from Hillsboro to Spokane and we lost a valued resource locally.
"Das Fed"
John Cox
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Wright
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 1:31 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Constructive Feedback was Asymmetrical trim noted at OSH
how about everybody come to my airport and inspect my airplane before the airworthiness inspector does? That'd be great!
i should be careful for what I wish!
Rob Wright
#392
windshield fairing and spinner
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