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craig(at)craigandjean.com
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 Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 10:14 am Post subject: 650 and BSR chute |
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Why is it impossible? For example if the report says that the plane lost power and impacted terrain then if the pilot had had a chute and pulled it they would have hit the ground with a much lower velocity (roughly that of jumping off an 8 foot ladder). Pilots routinely walk away from landings under a whole-plane canopy.
I’ve read through the reports on the BRS site and the NTSB site of the cases where a chute was deployed. To say that the pilot should have just flown the plane in most cases is unrealistic.
For the record I am not installing a BRS on my XL because it greatly reduces the utility of the plane in my configuration (Jabiru 3300). But it makes the planes that were designed with a chute in mind more attractive.
As I said at the start of this thread this is not an argument that will ever be settled. So this will be my last post on the subject. If you would like to have the last word feel free.
-- Craig
From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave G.
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 11:39 AM
To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: 650 and BSR chute
Craig, how in the world am I supposed to guess how many people WOULD survive anything? That's impossible. I can send you a whole list of people who claim to have been saved, but that proves NOTHING and guessing that this or that may have, might have, could have, is not the way the NTSB operates so I'm guessing that if I read every report they ever published I will never read a recommendation that installation of a BRS would have changed the result.
Following the type of reasoning you've proposed, ask yourself how many incidents might have been prevented if only the builder had installed a 1000 lb lead block under his seat.
As I said, I'm in favor under certain rare circumstances.
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From: Craig Payne (craig(at)craigandjean.com)
To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com (zenith-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 1:44 PM
Subject: RE: 650 and BSR chute
Try looking at it this way: read through the NTSB reports of fatal accidents. Then ask yourself how many of those people would have survived if they had had a BRS.
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notsew_evets(at)frontiern
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 10:20 am Post subject: 650 and BSR chute |
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Cessna seems to like BRS. 213 people love BRS.
Life insurance companies sell policies. They hope you never need their services....
S.
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d.goddard(at)ns.sympatico
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 10:50 am Post subject: 650 and BSR chute |
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It shouldn't even BE an argument. I'll accept that it may be if you insist that you are engaged in one. I made (in humor) a simple observation, I hoped the more mature audience would have smiled and walked away. I never imagined I would have been accused of saying they were a bad idea.
If the report says the aircraft lost power and impacted the terrain, that is all it says, and anything else you add to it is simply guesswork. My neighbors young son fell off his tricycle and nearly died of head injuries and people die all the time falling from 8 feet, it means nothing in terms of aircraft incidents. If you want to actually have a discussion about it bring some facts, not idle speculation and imagined scenarios. I agree that if an aircraft is actually designed to incorporate one, it may be an attractive option. How many is that?
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mfazio
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| Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 7:59 am Post subject: Re: 650 and BSR chute |
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Well, I suppose if I had known a simple question about the placement of chute in the 650 would have started such a tiff I would have refrained from posting. I was interested in the how mechanically a chute might be installed in the 650, plain and simple.
As I mentioned in my first post I believe in the design and I personally do not think a chute is necessary. If I were interested in killing myself I can think of more efficient ways to do so rather than taking several years and lots of money building an airplane. I do recognize the fact that I am a low time pilot and am well aware of how little I know, adding an experimental aircraft to the equation further compounds the problems. I believe that training is what is going to keep you out of trouble and get you out of a jam when necessary. If a bad situation does exceed my limited piloting skills having another option in my back pocket doesn't seem like such a bad deal so it is something to consider.
Adding a chute as with many other customizations present tradeoffs which each builder has to personally rationalize and accept. I certainly do not wish to argue the merits of chutes, push-pull tubes, cables, balanced ailerons, etc. as everyone has their own opinion and are entitled to them. I've been lurking on this list for a while now and truly appreciate the information that is shared but have grown weary of the bickering. I read several other lists and do not notice the same type of behavior. We all share a common interest so not quite sure why we can't be more civil to each other in this forum. This post is not an attack on any person so please no more flames.
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amyvega2005(at)earthlink.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:55 am Post subject: 650 and BSR chute |
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Mr. FAzio,
When are you coming down to come flying again!
Juan
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