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goodings(at)yorku.ca
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:01 am Post subject: Butenol???

Are you sure about "butenol", Larry?  Do you mean butanol?  Butanol is 

butyl alcohol, i.e. a pure alcohol, C4H9OH.  It has some of the same 

solvent characteristics as ethanol, C2H5OH.  Both are very good fuels, 

particularly from an anti-polution point of view.  But both could be hard 

on some gasket materials.  And they have burning velocities which are 

rather different from gasoline, which is mainly a mixture of octanes, 

nonanes and decanes (C8H18, C9H20 and C10H22).  This could mean that an 

engine's timing would have to be set up rather differently.



John Goodings, C-FGPJ, CH601HD with R912S, Carp/Ottawa/Toronto

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larry(at)macsmachine.com
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:42 am Post subject: Butenol???

No John,

I'm not a competent chemist and my spelling gets clobbered by my typing, 

but a proper formulated butanol doesn't absorb water, is a better 

solution than ethanol

not competing with food products and doesn't require huge amounts of 

water to produce.  I think they are still considering these aspects or 

hope they are.

In areas of ethanol production, the dropping water tables affect large 

area access for everyone here with well water.



Larry McFarland



John Goodings wrote:

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 Are you sure about "butenol", Larry?  Do you mean butanol?  Butanol is 

 butyl alcohol, i.e. a pure alcohol, C4H9OH.  It has some of the same 

 solvent characteristics as ethanol, C2H5OH.  Both are very good fuels, 

 particularly from an anti-polution point of view.  But both could be 

 hard on some gasket materials.  And they have burning velocities which 

 are rather different from gasoline, which is mainly a mixture of 

 octanes, nonanes and decanes (C8H18, C9H20 and C10H22).  This could 

 mean that an engine's timing would have to be set up rather differently.



 John Goodings, C-FGPJ, CH601HD with R912S, Carp/Ottawa/Toronto

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rampil

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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:49 am Post subject: Re: Butenol???

Larry,



Let's not get carried away.



All short chain alcohols are soluble and mixable with water,

Butanol only somewhat less so than ethanol.  



It has somewhat more energy density than ethanol, but still less than gasoline.



Interesting but not magic.

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larry(at)macsmachine.com
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:56 am Post subject: Butenol???

I'm not enthused one bit about any of the alternative fuels as I am 

about 87-octane with or without

10% ethanol.  It's more economic and my Subaru likes it too. Don't think 

it's going away any time soon

unless Obama and the socialist bent environmental people get their way. 

Then all bets are off.



Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com

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rampil wrote:

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 Larry,



 Let's not get carried away.



 All short chain alcohols are soluble and mixable with water,

 Butanol only somewhat less so than ethanol.  



 It has somewhat more energy density than ethanol, but still less than gasoline.



 Interesting but not magic.



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imap8ntr(at)cox.net
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:30 am Post subject: Butenol???

Now let's not get political and ruin our credibility.

Ivan

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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 6:31 pm Post subject: Butenol???

Just wondering out loud....  Can ethanol be made with sewage water???  Or is

it too toxic for the fermentation process?  Funny i never considered the

whole idea of water necessary for production.



Noel



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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 6:39 pm Post subject: Butenol???

Noel Loveys wrote:

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 Just wondering out loud....  Can ethanol be made with sewage water???  Or is

 it too toxic for the fermentation process?  Funny i never considered the

 whole idea of water necessary for production.


	


No.  To produce ethanol you need to start with

sugar or a starch that can be converted to sugar.

There's R&D of new ethanol processes that can use

cellulose, but that won't help you either.



[quote] Noel

 

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