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pequeajim

Joined: 03 Sep 2006
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Location: New Holland, PA

Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:47 pm Post subject: Gap seal tap for Lightning wing

Where do you all get the clear tape that can be used to seal the wing root gaps?

  

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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 2:33 pm Post subject: Gap seal tap for Lightning wing

Jim C

   Buz can answer that C but it brings up a good point C that I've had an article sitting C waiting to be finished on my results of that study.  We learned a few things during that experiment and it did make some good difference.  I don't personally know you C but I feel like I know the kind of person that you are. (and appreciate it)  I don't think that I have to say C but wait until you get your 40 hours and everything ironed before adding this would be my professional opinion.  Brian W.

 Date: Mon C 18 Aug 2008 16:44:19 -0400

From: pequeajim(at)gmail.com

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Subject: Gap seal tap for Lightning wing

 Where do you all get the clear tape that can be used to seal the wing root gaps?

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pequeajim

Joined: 03 Sep 2006
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Location: New Holland, PA

Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 3:25 pm Post subject: Gap seal tap for Lightning wing

Thanks Brian.  The only gap seal tape that I am talking about right now is what I would use on the wing root.  I can wait till later for the flap and aileron gap seals as you have recommended.  I just am not sure where everyone buys the clear stuff.  We bought some from Spruce a while back, but it does not go on very clear.  

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Jim,

   Buz can answer that, but it brings up a good point, that I've had an article sitting, waiting to be finished on my results of that study.  We learned a few things during that experiment and it did make some good difference.  I don't personally know you, but I feel like I know the kind of person that you are. (and appreciate it)  I don't think that I have to say, but wait until you get your 40 hours and everything ironed before adding this would be my professional opinion.  Brian W.

 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:44:19 -0400

 From: pequeajim(at)gmail.com

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 Subject: Gap seal tap for Lightning wing

Where do you all get the clear tape that can be used to seal the wing root gaps?  

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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 3:48 pm Post subject: Gap seal tap for Lightning wing

Jim C

    Yeah C I am familiar with the mylar tape that was white that they used to use at SYI.  I'm not sure about clear.  It made a pretty big difference in some of the Esquals b/c that was a big enough gap to let the airflow hit the main wing spar and you could feel the difference in the feel on the stick.  All is good with the Lightning and the newer Lightnings are even better I've heard.  I think that you can probably google clear mylar tape and come up with something.  This is in an area that if it were to fall off you shouldn't have to worry.  I'd still replace every couple of years so that it looks fresh and doesn't become brittle.  Brian W.

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Thanks Brian.  The only gap seal tape that I am talking about right now is what I would use on the wing root.  I can wait till later for the flap and aileron gap seals as you have recommended.  I just am not sure where everyone buys the clear stuff.  We bought some from Spruce a while back C but it does not go on very clear. 

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Jim C

  Buz can answer that C but it brings up a good point C that I've had an article sitting C waiting to be finished on my results of that study.  We learned a few things during that experiment and it did make some good difference.  I don't personally know you C but I feel like I know the kind of person that you are. (and appreciate it)  I don't think that I have to say C but wait until you get your 40 hours and everything ironed before adding this would be my professional opinion.  Brian W.

Date: Mon C 18 Aug 2008 16:44:19 -0400

From: pequeajim(at)gmail.com

To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Gap seal tap for Lightning wing

Where do you all get the clear tape that can be used to seal the wing root gaps?

Jim!

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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 3:53 pm Post subject: Gap seal tap for Lightning wing

In a message dated 8/18/2008 4:53:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  pequeajim(at)gmail.com writes:

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		     Where do you all get the clear tape that can be used to seal the wing    root gaps?

	


 

 Jim,

  

 Buz donated the material which I and others have used. Nick has the supply  at Shelbyville. 

  

 I did quite a bit of testing with this material. It does give you a slight  increase in speed, 1 to 2 K on my LSA version, probably more on a Lightning with  gear fairings.

  

 However, that material we were using didn't work well. If  you lower the flaps, it gets sucked up into the gap and stays there. I also  had some vibration problems, so I took it all off for the cross continental  trip.

  

 Bottom line, we need to work on the material selection.

  

 Earl Ferguson



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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:47 pm Post subject: Gap seal tap for Lightning wing

Jim,

     I actually am currently using a white tape on the  wing root that is a very close color match.  I have a roll that I bought  from a sail plane supply place on the inter net, but have found similar 3M tape  at the home supply stores.  Those stores also have a white  electrician's tape that is easy to use.

     The wide clear tape that I used to use (it does not  seem to go around corners as well as the white stuff) was found at a school  supply store and is used for binding books. 

     As to the very wide (about 4.5 inches) Mylar   that Brain and Earl mentioned for the flap and aileron gap seals, that was also  found on the net, but was too thin (.01) for the intended use.  The best  solution for the flap gaps is the one that Pete Disher has come up with.   See one of the past newsletters for photos.  He will be flying soon  and I feel certain he will share his performance data with our group  when he finishes his 40 hour test phase.  (By the way, Australia,  what are the test requirements "down under"?    

 buz



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pequeajim

Joined: 03 Sep 2006
Posts: 708
Location: New Holland, PA

Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:05 pm Post subject: Gap seal tap for Lightning wing

Thanks Buz:  

   

Since my wing roots are orange, and I can not find the right color orange to match, I need to go with clear.  I did find some at Cumulus Soaring, but the gap on my right wing root is a bit too wide and the air pressure causes the mylar to sink in to the root.  I did get 1” and 1.5”, so I am thinking of laying down the first strip of the wider tape followed by the 1” tape.  This will make it thicker and perhaps keep it from sinking in to the gap.  

       

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Jim,  

    

    I actually am currently using a white tape on the wing root that is a very close color match.  I have a roll that I bought from a sail plane supply place on the inter net, but have found similar 3M tape at the home supply stores.  Those stores also have a white electrician's tape that is easy to use.  

    

    The wide clear tape that I used to use (it does not seem to go around corners as well as the white stuff) was found at a school supply store and is used for binding books.   

    

    As to the very wide (about 4.5 inches) Mylar  that Brain and Earl mentioned for the flap and aileron gap seals, that was also found on the net, but was too thin (.01) for the intended use.  The best solution for the flap gaps is the one that Pete Disher has come up with.  See one of the past newsletters for photos.  He will be flying soon and I feel certain he will share his performance data with our group when he finishes his 40 hour test phase.  (By the way, Australia, what are the test requirements "down under"?      

    

buz  

  



 

         

  

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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:11 pm Post subject: Gap seal tap for Lightning wing

In a message dated 8/18/2008 11:06:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  pequeajim(at)gmail.com writes:

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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:12 pm Post subject: Gap seal tap for Lightning wing

In a message dated 8/18/2008 11:06:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  pequeajim(at)gmail.com writes:

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 Bummer.  At least your hair roots are not orange.  On the other  hand, at least you have some hair roots. 

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pequeajim

Joined: 03 Sep 2006
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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:32 pm Post subject: Gap seal tap for Lightning wing

“Bummer.  At least your hair roots are not orange”  

   

They used to be….  Or at least reddish blonde…  

   

Hey, I’m just glad to HAVE hair!  

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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:36 pm Post subject: Gap seal tap for Lightning wing

In a message dated 8/18/2008 11:33:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  pequeajim(at)gmail.com writes:

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 Yea, I know, rub it in.   I had all mine removed as a drag  reduction procedure.  

 Buz



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Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:16 am Post subject: Gap seal tap for Lightning wing

Hi Buz,

 I chose to register my aircraft with our authority CASA (your FAA),  being GA Experimental. Our flight test program  looks very  comprehensive, some 51 pages, with a 40 hr.fly off. I would expect it would  be pretty much the same as yours. CASA here, with all the other  regulations, does seem to  just copy yours to a  "T" 

 The other authority here is the RAA, (Recreational Aviation Australia), I  don't know much about it, but most people seem to go this route. I believe  one does not need a medical certificate and maybe there is a  restriction on entering controlled airspace.

 I'm sure Dennis could chime in here, there must be many advantages.

 Pete D

 VH-PDI

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selwyn

Joined: 12 Mar 2008
Posts: 102
Location: Australia

Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 2:36 am Post subject: Re: Gap seal tap for Lightning wing

A bit off topic for gap seals but, in brief, a Lightning can be registered under the national GA (VH- prefix) registration as an experimental where the builder (or subsequent owner) is solely responsible for airworthiness and the builder (while still the owner) can do most maintenance.  These aircraft can basically be anything that one can dream up and build, similar to the U.S. experimental as I understand it.  



The RAA registration (19- prefix) is not a national registration (is not recognised outside the country).  The intent of the RAA registration is similar to the U.S. LSA rule, again as I understand it.  There is a weight limit (544 kg for homebuilt), two place, fixed gear, single engine, maximum stall speed but measured with flaps etc in use, no maximum speed so no need to go through the propeller fiddles for certification.  Again, owner responsible for airworthiness and owner builder can do most maintenance.  RAA has a flyoff period but no formal test requirements and I am not sure of the rule relating to development of an operating handbook.



Pilot qualifications for these are administered by the RAA under delegation and currently does not allow entry to controlled airspace but rule changes to allow this with appropriate endorsement training are in work.  Medical requirements are basically fit to hold a drivers licence and no medical exam required. 



For the Lightning it would be relatively easy to move from VH Experimental to RAA 19- registration and accept the reduced weight but not so easy to go the other way.



Hope that helps.  Cheers,  Selwyn

pete(at)flylightning.net
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Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:36 am Post subject: Gap seal tap for Lightning wing

Back in the day ...   we used to use 3M book binding tape on our Titans.  It

is a 2 inch wide clear tape that is thicker than the normal scotch tape..



Pete



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