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Troy Maynor

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 162

Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:36 pm Post subject: No Slipper Clutch?

Hi All,

Just a question to all for a start : How many are running the 912S without

the heavy duty starter but with the slipper clutch?

Troy Maynor

N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic

Left to finish:

Seats, engine install underway, some wiring.

Weaverville, NC USA

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christoph.both(at)acadiau
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Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:48 am Post subject: No Slipper Clutch?

Hi,

Not yet running 912S. The only way to use the old engine mount is to exchange the heavy duty starter for the normal one. Fact is even with that there are only a few millimetres tolerance left before even the normal starter would contact the engine mount frame.

The problem is the very high prop momentum with the standard 3 blade prop which the starter needs to initially overcome, on top of higher compression of the 912S. With this in mind I am mounting a 2 blade Woodcomp 3000 Scimitar which is much lighter. It weights only 8kg complete with spinner compared to 12kg for the 3 blade or even more with the Airmaster which will require you to move the battery to the back, with all associated extra weight penalties... 

I will see how this all works out  but I am confident this is a great combination.

Christoph Both

#223 Conversion TRI gear

Wolfville, Nova Scotia

Canada



 

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From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Troy Maynor

Sent: Thu 8/21/2008 11:33 PM

To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: No Slipper Clutch?



Hi All,

Just a question to all for a start : How many are running the 912S without

the heavy duty starter but with the slipper clutch?

Troy Maynor

N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic

Left to finish:

Seats, engine install underway, some wiring.

Weaverville, NC USA

paul.the.aviator(at)gmail
Guest

Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 4:29 am Post subject: No Slipper Clutch?

Hi All,



If you are considering using a 912S without the heavy duty clutch then

another approach would be to consider using the "SoftStart" module

which alters the timing for the starting phase.



Take a look at:



http://www.ekmpowershop2.com/ekmps/shops/conairsports/index.asp?function=DISPLAYPRODUCT&productid=735



Regards,  Paul

johnwigney(at)alltel.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:55 am Post subject: No Slipper Clutch?

Hi Troy,



I  have the original starter and it has never given me any trouble in 

getting a reliable start. I have no idea if I have the slipper clutch - 

this has always been a bit of a mystery to me. Does anyone know how I 

determine this?



Cheers, John

N262WF, mono XS, 912S



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From: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54(at)charter.net>

Subject: No Slipper Clutch?

Hi All,

Just a question to all for a start : How many are running the 912S without the heavy duty starter but with the slipper clutch?

Troy Maynor

N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic

Left to finish:

Seats, engine install underway, some wiring.

Weaverville, NC USA

topglock(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 6:13 am Post subject: No Slipper Clutch?

John,



Burried in your service manual, there is a check for the slipper clutch. 

  It involves locking the crankshaft and moving the prop back and forth. 

  If your prop moves several degrees, you have a slipper clutch...



Jeff



John & Paddy Wigney wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 <johnwigney(at)alltel.net>

 

 Hi Troy,

 

 I  have the original starter and it has never given me any trouble in 

 getting a reliable start. I have no idea if I have the slipper clutch - 

 this has always been a bit of a mystery to me. Does anyone know how I 

 determine this?

 

 Cheers, John

 N262WF, mono XS, 912S

 

 ORIGINAL MESSAGE

 From: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54(at)charter.net>

 Subject: No Slipper Clutch?

 Hi All,

 Just a question to all for a start : How many are running the 912S 

 without the heavy duty starter but with the slipper clutch?

 Troy Maynor

 N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic

 Left to finish:

 Seats, engine install underway, some wiring.

 Weaverville, NC USA

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 270.6.6/1627 - Release Date: 8/22/2008 6:48 AM

justin(at)systemwise.co.u
Guest

Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 6:48 am Post subject: No Slipper Clutch?

Hi,  

   

Yup, I have a 912S with slipper clutch and small starter. It has never failed and provides plenty of crank.  

However I firmly believe this is because I use an Odyssey PC545 battery which has an amazing performance.  

   

Justin Kennedy  

G-ZTED  

Europa Mono Classic  

   

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terrys(at)cisco.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 8:40 am Post subject: No Slipper Clutch?

Hi Troy,



We bought our 912S not long after they became available, and although we

wanted the slipper clutch we were told none was available for the 912S.

We had terrible starting problems for years, with the engine going into

sub-idle harmonic running that literally shook things off the engine.

We bought the heavy duty starter, which made little improvement.  We

then heard the factory was only selling the 912S with slipper clutches

now, so we upgraded our gearbox with one.  That cured our starting

problems, we are not sure why, but it made a dramatic difference.



I know this is actually the opposite of your question, but I thought it

worth mentioning.



Regards,

Terry Seaver

A135/N135TD

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ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz
Guest

Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:35 pm Post subject: No Slipper Clutch?

Hi Troy,

Yes, I am. Why?

Cheers,

Tim

 	  Quote: 	
		   Hi All,

 Just a question to all for a start : How many are

 running the 912S

 without the heavy duty starter but with the slipper

 clutch?

 

 

 Troy Maynor

 N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic

 Left to finish:

 Seats, engine install underway, some wiring.

 Weaverville, NC USA

 

 

 



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12 Waiwetu Street

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Ph. 64 33515166

MOB 0210640221

ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz

ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz
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Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 4:20 pm Post subject: No Slipper Clutch?

Hi Troy,

Yes I am. Only problem is the cold winter starts down

here in the 'cold antarctic blasts' we get. One needs

a combination of a good starter, good battery and good

technique. In particular the last two. The original

starter has not been the problem as recently I have

perfected a better technique and have had no

problems.Slipper clutch is well worth it, from

experience!!

Cheers,

Tim

--- Troy Maynor <wingnut54(at)charter.net> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Hi All,

 Just a question to all for a start : How many are

 running the 912S without

 the heavy duty starter but with the slipper clutch?

 

 

 Troy Maynor

 N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic

 Left to finish:

 Seats, engine install underway, some wiring.

 Weaverville, NC USA

 

 


	




Tim Ward

12 Waiwetu Street

Fendalton

Christchurch.

New Zealand

Ph. 64 33515166

MOB 0210640221

ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz

Troy Maynor

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 162

Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:21 pm Post subject: No Slipper Clutch?

All,

The reason I asked is this. I felt I needed it to protect my engine in the event of a prop strike, God forbid. So in talking to Lockwood they quoted me a price, told me how to get it off etc, never mentioning any downside to it, even though I said I could not fit the HD starter. A few days later, speaking to the same guy, to get the shipping address, he said if I did not put the HD starter on too, starting would be very difficult and advised against it. This is impossible with the classic FWF. This was after I already had the gearbox off and boxed up to ship. I am seeking advise from the folks that know, you guys. I prefer the classic cowling for many reasons, mainly the money and time invested, it's painted, and I want to fly!!!! I may go ahead and send it in a few days depending on what I learn. Thanks for the helping hands, or wings, to get me into the air. 

Troy Maynor

Visit -  www.EuropaOwners.org

Troy Maynor

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 162

Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:56 pm Post subject: No Slipper Clutch?

John and all,

Found this on Kodiac's website refering to the gearboxes with or without

slipper clutches. FWIW. So let me know what you find out. I'm trying to

justify whether or not to spend $1,200.00 to get Lockwood to install one.

Troy



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christoph.both(at)acadiau
Guest

Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 5:07 am Post subject: No Slipper Clutch?

Hi,

I ordered my 912S for the Classic FWF from Rotec which are the authorized DISTRIBUTOR for Canada. They changed the originally installed HD started to the normal starter and said it would be just fine.

Christoph Both #223 Wolfville, NS

 

 



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From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of europaman

Sent: Fri 8/22/2008 10:20 PM

To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: No Slipper Clutch?






All,

The reason I asked is this. I felt I needed it to protect my engine in the event of a prop strike, God forbid. So in talking to Lockwood they quoted me a price, told me how to get it off etc, never mentioning any downside to it, even though I said I could not fit the HD starter. A few days later, speaking to the same guy, to get the shipping address, he said if I did not put the HD starter on too, starting would be very difficult and advised against it. This is impossible with the classic FWF. This was after I already had the gearbox off and boxed up to ship. I am seeking advise from the folks that know, you guys. I prefer the classic cowling for many reasons, mainly the money and time invested, it's painted, and I want to fly!!!! I may go ahead and send it in a few days depending on what I learn. Thanks for the helping hands, or wings, to get me into the air.

Troy Maynor

Visit -  www.EuropaOwners.org

topglock(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 6:17 am Post subject: No Slipper Clutch?

Troy,



Before spending the bucks with Lockwood, talk to Ronnie Smith at South 

Mississippi Light Aircraft (601) 947-4953.  He went through my gear box, 

yesterday to look for the solution to a rough running problem I've been 

experiencing (haven't had any luck locating it, yet, but more on that 

later).  He completely serviced the box (a slipper) in less than 20 

minutes.  Wouldn't take a nickel for his time.  You might want to check 

with him.  He may be able to save you some money...



Jeff - Baby Blue



Troy Maynor wrote:

[quote] 

 

 John and all,

 Found this on Kodiac's website refering to the gearboxes with or without

 slipper clutches. FWIW. So let me know what you find out. I'm trying to

 justify whether or not to spend $1,200.00 to get Lockwood to install one.

 Troy

 

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