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flicka750

Joined: 02 Aug 2008
Posts: 31

Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 7:36 am Post subject: CH701 versus CH750 - Ordering?

What I know is that today I can order a 701 full kit for around $13k, and put up 1/2 in cash up front, most likely get the kit by xmas.



For the 750 at best its going to be piece-meal for a year, 



There's a lot to think about. Order a 701 and you know what your going to pay, and you'll probably get the kit by xmas, probably.



Order a 750, and you might get the plans by xmas, and might get the wings by new-year, and the rest is a complete mystery. There is a lot to think about.



Do you just order the 750 components separate and pay $1k in shipping?



Early adopters of the 801 probably know how this ride will perform. Certainly the 701 is a known known. I think right now its out three months on backorder.



Then there is the issue of 'New' always with first generation of anything new there are bug's, the bug's in 701 have been worked out. 



What is the advantage of being an early adopter of the 750?



There are about a dozen questions above.



I have asked zenith many of the above questions about the 750 ordering process where the components don't exist. I have gotten no answer. Their approach to business seems to be "Our way, or the high-way".



In the case of the 750 do you order buy the piece 'avail by xmas' today, at 1/2 down in CASH? Or do you just pay them $10k cash ( 1/2 750 full kit ), and wait for them to ship you the full kit? In a year? Or do they ship the components as ready? But you pay for each shipment, or do they? 



Again I have got NONE of these questions answered.



***



Scratch building DC-3's since 1907.

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bobefx(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 1:47 pm Post subject: CH701 versus CH750 - Ordering?

do not archive

 I payed for the complete kit up front and at this point the first shipment, most likely wings and all related parts, is scheduled for shipment about the first of November. It will take time to build the wings and I will not have to store all the other parts till needed.

 I have a 601xl about 80% and plan to work on both as the time. Vary little left on the 601 by the time the 750 parts get here. I have a jab 3300 in the 601 and plan to use the same in the 750. I had planed to build a 701 but at 6'4", 240 lbs. with a long  torso the 701 did not fit well. Could have made it work but the 750 came just at the right time for me. No questions needed, the facts on the info sheet and a talk with Roger at the factory and I was sold. It is made for the larger pilot and a bigger power plant. Just right. And still LSA.

 I do not know why you are having such a bad time getting info from Zenith.  Every time I call I get all the help I need, and all my questions answered.

 There are some unknown, do to the fact that the 750 is just coming on line. Zenith cant control all the aspects of the launch, such as printers, and other sub contractors, but they do there best and get thing to you as soon as possible. 

 I have had some issues with the QB kit, but that is quality control from  the builders in Columbia (sp) South America. Not the Philippines. 

 Buy the kit that fits your needs, and get on with it. If you are not happy with the answers you are getting from Zenith and this board then move on and find another kit co. If you are not happy now you never will be, no matter how good the kit, the company, or the aircraft.

  

 Bobefx



 

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flicka750

Joined: 02 Aug 2008
Posts: 31

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 7:10 am Post subject: Re: CH701 versus CH750 - Ordering?

Keep asking. It makes for funny reading or should I say ,,,,,,,,repeating. 





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Let's address the basics; You say "I don't understand why you have a hard time, getting info from zenith". Nobody ever said zenith was known for customer-service. I know from personal experience from calling and/or emailing that my email never get returned ( info(at)zenair.com ), and that when I call its always some old gal that is hard of hearing.



Perhaps I would be asking pre-sales questions to support(at)zenair.com, or better yet a real person. Why doesn't someone here post some real email addresses of some real people that will answer questions.



I know from talking to follks at the EAA show in Arlington, WA this last month from QSP in No-CAL that zen is swamped with Euro orders.



Regarding you paying the entire $20k up front, and waiting for your order. You still didn't answer the question, when they ship the wings are they going to charge $300? Then another $300 when they ship the tail? Then another $400 when they ship the fuselage?



Paying someone $20k up front cash, that you don't know, is a very risky biz proposition, Zen we are led to believe is quite strong, their terms are explicit 50% cash up front for an order. I'm sure if you want to pay more they'll take it.



I have had the order for the CH-750 plans for a month now, and they're telling me November for the plans, and the same for the wings. I learned that when the told me the rudder was the same. Since then I have never ever gotten another question answered.



My guess is you have to know someone at Zenith, or a secret hand-shake, or secret email address.



Given their are so many alleged zen insiders in this forum, why doesn't someone post an "Idiots guide to getting information from Zenith" [ names, email addresses, ...]



I have noticed that the CH-750 website has been changing the last week, they have pulled stuff off. Most of the links take you to CH-701 stuff.



The people at QSP people at EAA-Arlington told me that the same people in the Philippines that were doing vans QB were doing that for Zenith, but that Zen had got pushed to the back of the queue, and thus was going elsewhere. That could be what your talking about. I live near Van's, I looked at some of the QB's just for the hell, They have piles to the ceiling of them at their factory.  I wasn't that impressed with the flush riveting that said, given that zen is pull-rivet its different, I have never seen a zen QB. My hunch is that SA quality could be worse as these new have even less experience basically Van's taught the people in Philippines how to build QB's, but they have so much work, Zenith got pushed out.



I'm just mentioning QB because you are, I HAVE NO INTENTION BUYING of a QB.



Let's take the last answer, "if your not happy move on". Well zenith doesn't answer questions, and you did answer a few. Basically you told me that you have paid 100% of ASK PRICE, and your going to sit like a good pup and wait for Uncle Heintz to ship your toys when they're good & ready.



Regarding 'moving on', they say that kitfox is gone, and so are most KB's dying. One of the MAJOR reasons for doing a KB ( kitbuild ) is you can get a new wing or component should you destroy it, and a old cessna or piper might cost a fortune for a component. Thus its essential find a long-term trusted vendor of KB's that's going to be around.



"If your not happy with the answers" ... Well you really are the first and only answer. Am I 'happy' with your answer? To me that's a silly assertion, folks here allege to know something of the subject matter. Everyone here is afraid to say what they think, and I'm sure 90% who read are reading for entertainment value. To me throwing down $10k-$20K cash to an unknown company in Mexico, MO is a big gamble. To me its essential to ask questions. To me the release of the 750 is like the 801, how was that for the first adopters??



Answers don't make me happy. I don't like to waste my time. After calling the Zenith mainline and not getting answers, then you go to forums, ... In the RV world there are 100's build-log websites, where you can email directly to a builder, and get real info about a company. In the Zenith world, it appears that MOST builders aren't HTML/HTTP geeks, which means is there are very few websites that contain good technical information, ran by a person who knows their stuff, and thinks like an engineer, because they are an engineer.



"No questions needed, the facts on the info sheet" that's a recurring theme here, 'no questions needed' just EAT the SLOP in front of you, and be a good camper, otherwise Uncle-Heintz might send you off to purgatory. There are all kinds of people. Too many of these happy clubs become a family, and the family's gatekeepers protects the family from outsiders, who just might ask tough questions.



Reading your response, it sounds like the ONLY reason that your going with the CH-750 is because its a bigger more comfy plane. Comfort to me is the last thing on the mission list, I think we all agree the CH-7XX is not a x-country plane.



***



Keep asking. It makes for funny reading or should I say ,,,,,,,,repeating. 





***



Yes, it is rather funny. Getting information is like pulling teeth. It's human nature to take the easy route, a recurring theme here is Don't Think, don't use your head, don't ask questions, just trust Uncle Heintz.  



I'm expecting any day now to be told that ZenAir consumers are a family like Scientology, or some other cultural sociological phenomenon in American History. Just roll the dice, and pick one of 3 wonder planes by Uncle-H, then Just roll the dice, and pick one of a dozen wonderful engines, you can't go wrong. Then when your done roll the dice again, build another.

 	  bobefx(at)yahoo.com wrote: 	
		  do not archive

 I payed for the complete kit up front and at this point the first shipment, most likely wings and all related parts, is scheduled for shipment about the first of November. It will take time to build the wings and I will not have to store all the other parts till needed.

 I have a 601xl about 80% and plan to work on both as the time. Vary little left on the 601 by the time the 750 parts get here. I have a jab 3300 in the 601 and plan to use the same in the 750. I had planed to build a 701 but at 6'4", 240 lbs. with a long  torso the 701 did not fit well. Could have made it work but the 750 came just at the right time for me. No questions needed, the facts on the info sheet and a talk with Roger at the factory and I was sold. It is made for the larger pilot and a bigger power plant. Just right. And still LSA.

 I do not know why you are having such a bad time getting info from Zenith.  Every time I call I get all the help I need, and all my questions answered.

 There are some unknown, do to the fact that the 750 is just coming on line. Zenith cant control all the aspects of the launch, such as printers, and other sub contractors, but they do there best and get thing to you as soon as possible. 

 I have had some issues with the QB kit, but that is quality control from  the builders in Columbia (sp) South America. Not the Philippines. 

 Buy the kit that fits your needs, and get on with it. If you are not happy with the answers you are getting from Zenith and this board then move on and find another kit co. If you are not happy now you never will be, no matter how good the kit, the company, or the aircraft.

  

 Bobefx



 

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rvickski(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:49 am Post subject: CH701 versus CH750 - Ordering?

Yikes, the  cat is out of the bag, we were sworn to secrecy, some one has revealed the conspiracy in spite of the implant and daily doses of kool-aid, lucky for us the truth ring we were all issued upon initiation will identify the the poor soul when we next gather at stonehenge, I just hope the mind wipe will be effective, if we can contain the problem ourselves perhaps we can avoid bringing in the Iluminati. Until then I think an emergency meeting of the grand keepers is in order, and remember don't use your real name or e-mil address.

signed Flickoff752    

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rvickski(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 9:18 am Post subject: CH701 versus CH750 - Ordering?

DANG I meant to send that last message to the Blade and Circle secret, clandestine, under the radar, plans thumping society for the technically challenged zen worshiping, rivet popping, dyslexic, kindergarten educated technical review board. OOPS. Am I bad or what?

flickoff752   

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bobefx(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 9:32 am Post subject: CH701 versus CH750 - Ordering?

Ok so I only put down 50% . I talk to Roger. I get answers. I understand how launching a new product can be slow and does not come all at once. I know it is a good product. I know they have been around a long time. I know I get parts when I need them, if I make a mistake or a minor part is missing. I am not an insider, I do not live close to the factory, and I do not have what you would call friend in the co.  And I know you will never be happy and are just taking up space on this site. So move on, and stop taking up space and talking out of that orifice you sit on.

  

 do not archive



 

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randy(at)rjhebertassoc.co
Guest

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:01 am Post subject: CH701 versus CH750 - Ordering?

You are correct Bob.  I just realized who this flicka fellow is  

He is an insurgent from the old matronics list (circa 601) sent to disrupt the Force in this great 701801 list.  

I really didn’t start posting here until I actually had built a few pieces.  

Now I find the list Most helpful save one or two comments.  

Last flicka I knew was a horse.  

Randall J Hebert  

Tail and one wing done 2nd wing 90%  

N7701P Reserved  

Absolutely  

Do Not Archive  

From: owner-zenith701801-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Sturgis

 Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 12:30 PM

 To: zenith701801-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Re: CH701 versus CH750 - Ordering?  

Ok so I only put down 50% . I talk to Roger. I get answers. I understand how launching a new product can be slow and does not come all at once. I know it is a good product. I know they have been around a long time. I know I get parts when I need them, if I make a mistake or a minor part is missing. I am not an insider, I do not live close to the factory, and I do not have what you would call friend in the co.  And I know you will never be happy and are just taking up space on this site. So move on, and stop taking up space and talking out of that orifice you sit on.  

do not archive  

----- Original Message ----

 From: flicka750 <flicka750(at)gmail.com>

 To: zenith701801-list(at)matronics.com

 Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 8:10:58 AM

 Subject: Re: CH701 versus CH750 - Ordering?

 --> Zenith701801-List message posted by: "flicka750" <flicka750(at)gmail.com (flicka750(at)gmail.com)>

 Keep asking. It makes for funny reading or should I say ,,,,,,,,repeating. 

 ***

 Let's address the basics; You say "I don't understand why you have a hard time, getting info from zenith". Nobody ever said zenith was known for customer-service. I know from personal experience from calling and/or emailing that my email never get returned ( info(at)zenair.com (info(at)zenair.com) ), and that when I call its always some old gal that is hard of hearing.

 Perhaps I would be asking pre-sales questions to support(at)zenair.com (support(at)zenair.com), or better yet a real person. Why doesn't someone here post some real email addresses of some real people that will answer questions.

 I know from talking to follks at the EAA show in Arlington, WA this last month from QSP in No-CAL that zen is swamped with Euro orders.

 Regarding you paying the entire $20k up front, and waiting for your order. You still didn't answer the question, when they ship the wings are they going to charge $300? Then another $300 when they ship the tail? Then another $400 when they ship the fuselage?

 Paying someone $20k up front cash, that you don't know, is a very risky biz proposition, Zen we are led to believe is quite strong, their terms are explicit 50% cash up front for an order. I'm sure if you want to pay more they'll take it.

 I have had the order for the CH-750 plans for a month now, and they're telling me November for the plans, and the same for the wings. I learned that when the told me the rudder was the same. Since then I have never ever gotten another question answered.

 My guess is you have to know someone at Zenith, or a secret hand-shake, or secret email address.

 Given their are so many alleged zen insiders in this forum, why doesn't someone post an "Idiots guide to getting information from Zenith" [ names, email addresses, ...]

 I have noticed that the CH-750 website has been changing the last week, they have pulled stuff off. Most of the links take you to CH-701 stuff.

 The people at QSP people at EAA-Arlington told me that the same people in the Philippines that were doing vans QB were doing that for Zenith, but that Zen had got pushed to the back of the queue, and thus was going elsewhere. That could be what your talking about. I live near Van's, I looked at some of the QB's just for the hell, They have piles to the ceiling of them at their factory.  I wasn't that impressed with the flush riveting that said, given that zen is pull-rivet its different, I have never seen a zen QB. My hunch is that SA quality could be worse as these new have even less experience basically Van's taught the people in Philippines how to build QB's, but they have so much work, Zenith got pushed out.

 I'm just mentioning QB because you are, I HAVE NO INTENTION BUYING of a QB.

 Let's take the last answer, "if your not happy move on". Well zenith doesn't answer questions, and you did answer a few. Basically you told me that you have paid 100% of ASK PRICE, and your going to sit like a good pup and wait for Uncle Heintz to ship your toys when they're good & ready.

 Regarding 'moving on', they say that kitfox is gone, and so are most KB's dying. One of the MAJOR reasons for doing a KB ( kitbuild ) is you can get a new wing or component should you destroy it, and a old cessna or piper might cost a fortune for a component. Thus its essential find a long-term trusted vendor of KB's that's going to be around.

 "If your not happy with the answers" ... Well you really are the first and only answer. Am I 'happy' with your answer? To me that's a silly assertion, folks here allege to know something of the subject matter. Everyone here is afraid to say what they think, and I'm sure 90% who read are reading for entertainment value. To me throwing down $10k-$20K cash to an unknown company in Mexico, MO is a big gamble. To me its essential to ask questions. To me the release of the 750 is like the 801, how was that for the first adopters??

 Answers don't make me happy. I don't like to waste my time. After calling the Zenith mainline and not getting answers, then you go to forums, ... In the RV world there are 100's build-log websites, where you can email directly to a builder, and get real info about a company. In the Zenith world, it appears that MOST builders aren't HTML/HTTP geeks, which means is there are very few websites that contain good technical information, ran by a person who knows their stuff, and thinks like an engineer, because they are an engineer.

 "No questions needed, the facts on the info sheet" that's a recurring theme here, 'no questions needed' just EAT the SLOP in front of you, and be a good camper, otherwise Uncle-Heintz might send you off to purgatory. There are all kinds of people. Too many of these happy clubs become a family, and the family's gatekeepers protects the family from outsiders, who just might ask tough questions.

 Reading your response, it sounds like the ONLY reason that your going with the CH-750 is because its a bigger more comfy plane. Comfort to me is the last thing on the mission list, I think we all agree the CH-7XX is not a x-country plane.

 ***

 Keep asking. It makes for funny reading or should I say ,,,,,,,,repeating. 

 ***

 Yes, it is rather funny. Getting information is like pulling teeth. It's human nature to take the easy route, a recurring theme here is Don't Think, don't use your head, don't ask questions, just trust Uncle Heintz.  

 I'm expecting any day now to be told that ZenAir consumers are a family like Scientology, or some other cultural sociological phenomenon in American History. Just roll the dice, and pick one of 3 wonder planes by Uncle-H, then Just roll the dice, and pick one of a dozen wonderful engines, you can't go wrong. Then when your done roll the dice again, build another.

 bobefx(at)yahoo.com wrote:

 > do not archive

 >  I payed for the complete kit up front and at this point the first shipment, most likely wings and all related parts, is scheduled for shipment about the first of November. It will take time to build the wings and I will not have to store all the other parts till needed.

 >  I have a 601xl about 80% and plan to work on both as the time. Vary little left on the 601 by the time the 750 parts get here. I have a jab 3300 in the 601 and plan to use the same in the 750. I had planed to build a 701 but at 6'4", 240 lbs. with a long  torso the 701 did not fit well. Could have made it work but the 750 came just at the right time for me. No questions needed, the facts on the info sheet and a talk with Roger at the factory and I was sold. It is made for the larger pilot and a bigger power plant. Just right. And still LSA.

 >  I do not know why you are having such a bad time getting info from Zenith.  Every time I call I get all the help I need, and all my questions answered.

 >  There are some unknown, do to the fact that the 750 is just coming on line. Zenith cant control all the aspects of the launch, such as printers, and other sub contractors, but they do there best and get thing to you as soon as possible. 

 >  I have had some issues with the QB kit, but that is quality control from  the builders in Columbia (sp) South America. Not the Philippines. 

 >  Buy the kit that fits your needs, and get on with it. If you are not happy with the answers you are getting from Zenith and this board then move on and find another kit co. If you are not happy now you never will be, no matter how good the kit, the company, or the aircraft.

 >  

 >  Bobefx

 > 

 >  

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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:54 am Post subject: CH701 versus CH750 - Ordering?

In a message dated 8/26/2008 8:12:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  flicka750(at)gmail.com writes:

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		  I'm    expecting any day now to be told that ZenAir consumers are a family like    Scientology, or some other cultural sociological phenomenon in American    History. Just roll the dice, and pick one of 3 wonder planes by Uncle-H, then    Just roll the dice, and pick one of a dozen wonderful engines, you can't go    wrong. Then when your done roll the dice again, build  another.

	


 

 My opinion why  Zenith does not respond to you is this; You are a  World Class Whiner. I have read every single response to your myriad of  questions and to me, it seems that most of the listers here have tried to give  you reasonable answers. Obviously, with the caliber of your questions, there is  some brain function happening but you seem to think that demanding answers and  having an arrogant attitude is the way to get things done. Here is a suggestion,  grow up, work on your antagonistic attitude and build an RV instead.

  

 Proud to sign my name,

  

 Joe Motis

  

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It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here.

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kmccune

Joined: 22 Sep 2007
Posts: 577
Location: Wisconsin, USA

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 2:27 pm Post subject: Re: CH701 versus CH750 - Ordering?

Yes but Flicka (the horse)  was your friend  ( ok I dated my self)

I have wondered if this person was disgruntled Zenith lister too!

Kevin

[quote="randy(at)rjhebertassoc.co"]Y

Last flicka I knew was a horse.  

Randall J Hebert  

From: owner-zenith701801-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Sturgis

 Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 12:30 PM

 To: zenith701801-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Re: CH701 versus CH750 - Ordering?  

Ok so I only put down 50% . I talk to Roger. I get answers. I understand how launching a new product can be slow and does not come all at once. I know it is a good product. I know they have been around a long time. I know I get parts when I need them, if I make a mistake or a minor part is missing. I am not an insider, I do not live close to the factory, and I do not have what you would call friend in the co.  And I know you will never be happy and are just taking up space on this site. So move on, and stop taking up space and talking out of that orifice you sit on.  

do not archive  

----- Original Message ----

 From: flicka750 <flicka750>

 To: zenith701801-list(at)matronics.com

 Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 8:10:58 AM

 Subject: Re: CH701 versus CH750 - Ordering?

 --> Zenith701801-List message posted by: "flicka750" <flicka750>

 Keep asking. It makes for funny reading or should I say ,,,,,,,,repeating. 

 ***

 Let's address the basics; You say "I don't understand why you have a hard time, getting info from zenith". Nobody ever said zenith was known for customer-service. I know from personal experience from calling and/or emailing that my email never get returned ( info(at)zenair.com (info(at)zenair.com) ), and that when I call its always some old gal that is hard of hearing.

 Perhaps I would be asking pre-sales questions to support(at)zenair.com (support(at)zenair.com), or better yet a real person. Why doesn't someone here post some real email addresses of some real people that will answer questions.

 I know from talking to follks at the EAA show in Arlington, WA this last month from QSP in No-CAL that zen is swamped with Euro orders.

 Regarding you paying the entire $20k up front, and waiting for your order. You still didn't answer the question, when they ship the wings are they going to charge $300? Then another $300 when they ship the tail? Then another $400 when they ship the fuselage?

 Paying someone $20k up front cash, that you don't know, is a very risky biz proposition, Zen we are led to believe is quite strong, their terms are explicit 50% cash up front for an order. I'm sure if you want to pay more they'll take it.

 I have had the order for the CH-750 plans for a month now, and they're telling me November for the plans, and the same for the wings. I learned that when the told me the rudder was the same. Since then I have never ever gotten another question answered.

 My guess is you have to know someone at Zenith, or a secret hand-shake, or secret email address.

 Given their are so many alleged zen insiders in this forum, why doesn't someone post an "Idiots guide to getting information from Zenith" [ names, email addresses, ...]

 I have noticed that the CH-750 website has been changing the last week, they have pulled stuff off. Most of the links take you to CH-701 stuff.

 The people at QSP people at EAA-Arlington told me that the same people in the Philippines that were doing vans QB were doing that for Zenith, but that Zen had got pushed to the back of the queue, and thus was going elsewhere. That could be what your talking about. I live near Van's, I looked at some of the QB's just for the hell, They have piles to the ceiling of them at their factory.  I wasn't that impressed with the flush riveting that said, given that zen is pull-rivet its different, I have never seen a zen QB. My hunch is that SA quality could be worse as these new have even less experience basically Van's taught the people in Philippines how to build QB's, but they have so much work, Zenith got pushed out.

 I'm just mentioning QB because you are, I HAVE NO INTENTION BUYING of a QB.

 Let's take the last answer, "if your not happy move on". Well zenith doesn't answer questions, and you did answer a few. Basically you told me that you have paid 100% of ASK PRICE, and your going to sit like a good pup and wait for Uncle Heintz to ship your toys when they're good & ready.

 Regarding 'moving on', they say that kitfox is gone, and so are most KB's dying. One of the MAJOR reasons for doing a KB ( kitbuild ) is you can get a new wing or component should you destroy it, and a old cessna or piper might cost a fortune for a component. Thus its essential find a long-term trusted vendor of KB's that's going to be around.

 "If your not happy with the answers" ... Well you really are the first and only answer. Am I 'happy' with your answer? To me that's a silly assertion, folks here allege to know something of the subject matter. Everyone here is afraid to say what they think, and I'm sure 90% who read are reading for entertainment value. To me throwing down $10k-$20K cash to an unknown company in Mexico, MO is a big gamble. To me its essential to ask questions. To me the release of the 750 is like the 801, how was that for the first adopters??

 Answers don't make me happy. I don't like to waste my time. After calling the Zenith mainline and not getting answers, then you go to forums, ... In the RV world there are 100's build-log websites, where you can email directly to a builder, and get real info about a company. In the Zenith world, it appears that MOST builders aren't HTML/HTTP geeks, which means is there are very few websites that contain good technical information, ran by a person who knows their stuff, and thinks like an engineer, because they are an engineer.

 "No questions needed, the facts on the info sheet" that's a recurring theme here, 'no questions needed' just EAT the SLOP in front of you, and be a good camper, otherwise Uncle-Heintz might send you off to purgatory. There are all kinds of people. Too many of these happy clubs become a family, and the family's gatekeepers protects the family from outsiders, who just might ask tough questions.

 Reading your response, it sounds like the ONLY reason that your going with the CH-750 is because its a bigger more comfy plane. Comfort to me is the last thing on the mission list, I think we all agree the CH-7XX is not a x-country plane.

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 Keep asking. It makes for funny reading or should I say ,,,,,,,,repeating. 

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 Yes, it is rather funny. Getting information is like pulling teeth. It's human nature to take the easy route, a recurring theme here is Don't Think, don't use your head, don't ask questions, just trust Uncle Heintz.  

 I'm expecting any day now to be told that ZenAir consumers are a family like Scientology, or some other cultural sociological phenomenon in American History. Just roll the dice, and pick one of 3 wonder planes by Uncle-H, then Just roll the dice, and pick one of a dozen wonderful engines, you can't go wrong. Then when your done roll the dice again, build another.

 bobefx(at)yahoo.com wrote:

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 >  I payed for the complete kit up front and at this point the first shipment, most likely wings and all related parts, is scheduled for shipment about the first of November. It will take time to build the wings and I will not have to store all the other parts till needed.

 >  I have a 601xl about 80% and plan to work on both as the time. Vary little left on the 601 by the time the 750 parts get here. I have a jab 3300 in the 601 and plan to use the same in the 750. I had planed to build a 701 but at 6'4", 240 lbs. with a long  torso the 701 did not fit well. Could have made it work but the 750 came just at the right time for me. No questions needed, the facts on the info sheet and a talk with Roger at the factory and I was sold. It is made for the larger pilot and a bigger power plant. Just right. And still LSA.

 >  I do not know why you are having such a bad time getting info from Zenith.  Every time I call I get all the help I need, and all my questions answered.

 >  There are some unknown, do to the fact that the 750 is just coming on line. Zenith cant control all the aspects of the launch, such as printers, and other sub contractors, but they do there best and get thing to you as soon as possible. 

 >  I have had some issues with the QB kit, but that is quality control from  the builders in Columbia (sp) South America. Not the Philippines. 

 >  Buy the kit that fits your needs, and get on with it. If you are not happy with the answers you are getting from Zenith and this board then move on and find another kit co. If you are not happy now you never will be, no matter how good the kit, the company, or the aircraft.

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 >  Bobefx

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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 6:20 pm Post subject: CH701 versus CH750 - Ordering?

Hey Flickoff,

  

 Some of us know a good thing when we see it. I bought a 701 without ever  flying in one, built it and am happily flying it.

  

 Bob Spudis

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I'm    expecting any day now to be told that ZenAir consumers are a family like    Scientology, or some other cultural sociological phenomenon in American    History. Just roll the dice, and pick one of 3 wonder planes by Uncle-H, then    Just roll the dice, and pick one of a dozen wonderful engines, you can't go    wrong. Then when your done roll the dice again, build another.

"No    questions needed, the facts on the info sheet" that's a recurring theme here,    'no questions needed' just EAT the SLOP in front of you, and be a good camper,    otherwise Uncle-Heintz might send you off to purgatory. There are all kinds of    people. Too many of these happy clubs become a family, and the family's    gatekeepers protects the family from outsiders, who just might ask tough    questions.



	


 

  



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Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 4:53 am Post subject: Re: CH701 versus CH750 - Ordering?

You all just reminded me that I plunked down over $14K all at once, on the 701 kit, without having even sat in one.  And I'm 6'2".  Boy I must have been crazy.



Off to go fly now.



Bill Mileski

701 912S 143hrs

Harvey Richards

Joined: 26 Aug 2008
Posts: 39
Location: Nova Scotia

Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:26 am Post subject: Re: CH701 versus CH750 - Ordering?

I have had no problems getting questions answered and even found someone gracious enough to take me up in a 701. I suspect Zenith figured you out fairly quickly and you have managed to annoy anyone here who was willing to help. I suggest we ignore this clown. Harvey Richards

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