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If you are looking for someone to complete your project, I will be available in September. Please take a look at my blog and give me a call to discuss your needs.
All the best,
Jack Sparling
N5115Q 40487 210hrs.
Crestwood, Kentucky
Cell: (502) 262-6557
Jhs_61(at)yahoo.com
N5115Q.blogspot.com
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 5:12 am Post subject: Builder Available! |
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Jack
I am building an RV-4 and have the emp complete and working on wings. I would like to know if you are interested in building my fuselage as I travel quite a bit and do not have the time to dedicate to it.
If you are interested I would have the crate delivered to you from vans and pick it up when finished. I live in Fort Wayne, Indiana
What would you charge to build the fuselage and possibly add the finishing kit to it as a separate price?
Regards
John Gould
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It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here.
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bmeyette
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:37 am Post subject: Builder Available! |
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isn't that contrary to the spirit, if not the letter, of the 51% builder rule? Nothing against you personally, and i dont say this with any antagoinstic meaning, but I understand that the current FAA reexamination of the 51% rule and possible tightening of restrictions on builders is due to the proliferation of "builders for hire".
brian
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sparling
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Subject: RV-List: Builder Available!
If you are looking for someone to complete your project, I will be available in September. Please take a look at my blog and give me a call to discuss your needs.
All the best,
Jack Sparling
N5115Q 40487 210hrs.
Crestwood, Kentucky
Cell: (502) 262-6557
Jhs_61(at)yahoo.com
N5115Q.blogspot.com
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smittysrv
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 12:10 pm Post subject: Builder Available! |
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This EAA Article says it all:
"Member Comments Reinforce EAA’s Message: Enforce Existing 51% Rule"
Read the article and watch the video:
http://www.eaa.org/news/2008/2008-08-21_51percent.asp
Smitty
http://SmittysRV.com
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From: Brian Meyette bmeyette(at)gmail.com
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:33:36 -0400
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Builder Available!
isn't that contrary to the spirit, if not the letter, of the 51% builder
rule? Nothing against you personally, and i dont say this with any
antagoinstic meaning, but I understand that the current FAA reexamination of
the 51% rule and possible tightening of restrictions on builders is due to
the proliferation of "builders for hire".
brian
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From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sparling
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 8:14 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com; rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Builder Available!
If you are looking for someone to complete your project, I will be available
in September. Please take a look at my blog and give me a call to discuss
your needs.
All the best,
Jack Sparling
N5115Q 40487 210hrs.
Crestwood, Kentucky
Cell: (502) 262-6557
Jhs_61(at)yahoo.com
N5115Q.blogspot.com
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mrobert569(at)hotmail.com
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:41 pm Post subject: Builder Available! |
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Also C be careful about who may be on the list listening!!
Mike Robertson
Das Fed
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From: bmeyette(at)gmail.com
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV-List: Builder Available!
Date: Thu C 28 Aug 2008 14:33:36 -0400
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brian
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sparling
Sent: Wednesday C August 27 C 2008 8:14 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com; rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV-List: Builder Available!
If you are looking for someone to complete your project C I will be available in September. Please take a look at my blog and give me a call to discuss your needs.
All the best C
Jack Sparling
N5115Q 40487 210hrs.
Crestwood C Kentucky
Cell: (502) 262-6557
Jhs_61(at)yahoo.com
N5115Q.blogspot.com
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 3:16 pm Post subject: Builder Available! |
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I don’t believe it’s a problem to have help building your experimental. To hire someone to build the whole plane for you is not a problem either, if you don’t apply for the repairmen’s certificate. This would indicate that you built the plane.
Having help building is like having a friend or organization build a plane. If you only had help with construction, you would still be able to apply for the repairmen’s certificate, You are the builder.
[b]John L. Danielson[/b]
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Robertson
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 4:40 PM
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Also, be careful about who may be on the list listening!!
Mike Robertson
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From: bmeyette(at)gmail.com
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Builder Available!
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:33:36 -0400
isn't that contrary to the spirit, if not the letter, of the 51% builder rule? Nothing against you personally, and i dont say this with any antagoinstic meaning, but I understand that the current FAA reexamination of the 51% rule and possible tightening of restrictions on builders is due to the proliferation of "builders for hire".
brian
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sparling
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 8:14 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com; rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Builder Available!
If you are looking for someone to complete your project, I will be available in September. Please take a look at my blog and give me a call to discuss your needs.
All the best,
Jack Sparling
N5115Q 40487 210hrs.
Crestwood, Kentucky
Cell: (502) 262-6557
Jhs_61(at)yahoo.com
N5115Q.blogspot.com
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 3:49 pm Post subject: Builder Available! |
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Just call the guy a "hired educator". The owner shows the ways of capitalism and the worker provides the labor.
Unfortunately to acquire the Airworthiness Certificate regardless of the Repairman pursuit the owner of the kit must certify he has done 51%.
John Cox
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Danielson
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 4:15 PM
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Builder Available!
I don’t believe it’s a problem to have help building your experimental. To hire someone to build the whole plane for you is not a problem either, if you don’t apply for the repairmen’s certificate. This would indicate that you built the plane.
Having help building is like having a friend or organization build a plane. If you only had help with construction, you would still be able to apply for the repairmen’s certificate, You are the builder.
John L. Danielson
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Robertson
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 4:40 PM
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Builder Available!
Also, be careful about who may be on the list listening!!
Mike Robertson
Das Fed
DO NOT ARCHIVE
From: bmeyette(at)gmail.com
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Builder Available!
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:33:36 -0400
isn't that contrary to the spirit, if not the letter, of the 51% builder rule? Nothing against you personally, and i dont say this with any antagoinstic meaning, but I understand that the current FAA reexamination of the 51% rule and possible tightening of restrictions on builders is due to the proliferation of "builders for hire".
brian
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sparling
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 8:14 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com; rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Builder Available!
If you are looking for someone to complete your project, I will be available in September. Please take a look at my blog and give me a call to discuss your needs.
All the best,
Jack Sparling
N5115Q 40487 210hrs.
Crestwood, Kentucky
Cell: (502) 262-6557
Jhs_61(at)yahoo.com
N5115Q.blogspot.com
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kyrilian_av(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 5:46 pm Post subject: Builder Available! |
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To hire someone to build the whole plane for you is not a problem either, if you don¢t apply for the repairmen¢s certificate. This would indicate that you built the plane.
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Wrong!
This attitude/interpretation is what's leading the FAA to think about throwing the whole 51% rule into a complex, onerous PITA. It's in clear violation of the regs.
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§ 21.191 Experimental certificates.
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Experimental certificates are issued for the following purposes:
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(g) Operating amateur-built aircraft. Operating an aircraft the major portion of which has been fabricated and assembled by persons who undertook the construction project solely for their own education or recreation.
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Having friends come by and help (or even do work by themselves) is fine, because they too are doing it for their own education or recreation. But someone who is hired is not fabricating or assembling solely for their own education or recreation, they're doing it for money. If you have your kit delivered to a build shop and show up to pick it up when they're done, you can't take credit for any of the tasks that were performed in your absence. Depending on how much of the project you have built this way you may not get enough checks in the "Amateur" column of FAA Form 8000-38 to receive an experimental airworthiness cert. Of course, I'm guessing many people going this route just lie and say they did all the work. But I expect that if the regs aren't re-written entirely the FAA will simply get more serious about enforcing these regs. Too bad it's come to this...
Though I don't think it's totally black and white, I don't believe the FAA has any real problem with builders getting assistance where they're involved too (working alongside a pro). But the FAA clearly has major issues with amateur builders who pay for someone else to do the work without being present and involved.
I think it's important that we all realize what's at stake and remind ourselves what the regs say. Getting professional assistance (builder involved) is not the same as hiring out the work (builder not involved). If we don't abide by the regs then the regs will change--for the worse, I expect.
Off my horse,
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 5:55 pm Post subject: Builder Available! |
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John Cox wrote:
| Quote: | Unfortunately to acquire the Airworthiness Certificate regardless of the
Repairman pursuit the owner of the kit must certify he has done 51%.
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The 51% rule has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not you
qualify for the Repairman Certificate. The 51% rule is applied so that
the FAA can determine whether or not the majority of the aircraft was
assembled by an amateur builder. This is why some of the newest
composite kits are in jeopardy since they leave the factory with more
than 49% factory fabrication.
You qualify for the Repairman's Certificate by demonstrating you know
enough about the aircraft to safely and adequately perform the condition
inspection. This is often determined by the DAR who inspects your
aircraft prior to flight. The DAR will often write a letter to the FAA
recommending they issue the Repairman's Certificate to you based on his
assessment of your knowledge of the aircraft during his inspection. The
FAA actually issues the certificate.
Sam Buchanan
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 6:05 pm Post subject: Builder Available! |
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John Danielson wrote:
| Quote: | I don't believe it's a problem to have help building your experimental. To
hire someone to build the whole plane for you is not a problem either, if
you don't apply for the repairmen's certificate. This would indicate that
you built the plane.
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Nope, a professionally built experimental aircraft is a major problem.
During the course of requesting registration of your amateur-built
aircraft you must submit FAA Form 8130-12, Eligibility Statement Amateur
Built Aircraft. On that form you sign your name and have your signature
notarized stating that you are the amateur builder of that aircraft. If
you have the plane professionally built, and submit 8130-12.......you
have committed purgery.
http://forms.faa.gov/forms/faa8130-12.pdf
Sam Buchanan
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sbuc(at)hiwaay.net
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 6:52 pm Post subject: Builder Available! |
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I believe I misread John's post. His statement about the builder needing
to complete 51% of the project is correct if expanded to include *all*
amateur builders of the project.
Sorry for the misread of the original post.
Sam Buchanan
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John Cox wrote:
> Unfortunately to acquire the Airworthiness Certificate regardless of the
> Repairman pursuit the owner of the kit must certify he has done 51%.
The 51% rule has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not you
qualify for the Repairman Certificate. The 51% rule is applied so that
the FAA can determine whether or not the majority of the aircraft was
assembled by an amateur builder. This is why some of the newest
composite kits are in jeopardy since they leave the factory with more
than 49% factory fabrication.
You qualify for the Repairman's Certificate by demonstrating you know
enough about the aircraft to safely and adequately perform the condition
inspection. This is often determined by the DAR who inspects your
aircraft prior to flight. The DAR will often write a letter to the FAA
recommending they issue the Repairman's Certificate to you based on his
assessment of your knowledge of the aircraft during his inspection. The
FAA actually issues the certificate.
Sam Buchanan
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:03 pm Post subject: Builder Available! |
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Glad to see this response. I went to a professional building class for the empennage, but that pro-builder-assister had an iron rule that the aircraft owner always had to be present and working/learning. That I too believe meets the letter and spirit of the Amateur Built rules.
But companies or individuals who blatantly offer to build even a part of your aircraft if you're too busy are screwing all of us with the FAA. Don't like the regs? Get 'em changed before you screw the rest of us who really are building and learning. Still too busy? Why'd you start a kit? Sell your project and buy someone's completed plane. There are lots on the market.
Ralph Finch
On Behalf Of Kyrilian Dyer
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 6:45 PM
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Builder Available!
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Though I don't think it's totally black and white, I don't believe the FAA has any real problem with builders getting assistance where they're involved too (working alongside a pro). But the FAA clearly has major issues with amateur builders who pay for someone else to do the work without being present and involved.
I think it's important that we all realize what's at stake and remind ourselves what the regs say. Getting professional assistance (builder involved) is not the same as hiring out the work (builder not involved). If we don't abide by the regs then the regs will change--for the worse, I expect.
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jmsears(at)adelphia.net
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 3:34 am Post subject: Builder Available! |
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I helped a friend build his RV. It was a quick build; so, breaking the 51% rule would be easy. In order to help him, and get paid for doing it, I required that he be working with me, at all times. There were times when he had to go somewhere for a few minutes; but, he was with me working on the airplane pretty much all the time. Otherwise, I wouldn't help because I believe in the 51% rule, as is. He applied for and got his repairman's certificate when we were finished because he had a good working knowledge base for his airplane. Those who have their airplanes built by professionals have no idea how it goes together and what makes up the assemblies, etc. They wouldn't be hard to catch lying about their exposure to the project.
I've often thought about offering my services; but, I'd require the owner be there with me to shed the blood, sweat, and tears that come with building a project. For those who have no time to build, it would not work out, very well. I guess I'd better just work on my own project. 
Jim Sears in KY
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jsflyrv(at)verizon.net
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 6:33 am Post subject: Builder Available! |
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I really hate it when the only labor a person puts into their project is
what it takes to write the checks, then they go to fly ins
and claims all the glory for their hard work by showing off their
trophies for the airplane they built.
I believe that to enter your airplane for judging you should be able to
show you DID in fact build 51%
Jerry
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Terry Watson
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 290
Location: Seattle, WA USA
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:39 am Post subject: Builder Available! |
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A couple of years ago I was looking at RV's at the Arlington fly-in and saw
a very beautiful RV-8 arrive. The owner/pilot and his passenger set about
getting it ready for judging, complete with professional display boards
about all of its custom features. I asked the owner about his custom canopy
and got a pretty vague response, then about his tip tanks and was told that
he got them from "some guy in New Zealand." I realized that this guy didn't
know much about his own airplane, certainly not enough to have been around
much while it was being built.
He won grand champion kit built.
Terry
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stein(at)steinair.com
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 8:47 am Post subject: Builder Available! |
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Wow! I gotta say this thread has brought out more of the ole' "Gray Beards"
than I've seen in a LOOONG time! No offense to Jerry or Terry or Sam (quite
the opposite), but it's really great to see the troop of builders I gleaned
so much info from years ago when this was "THE group"! Sam used to be the
RV guy, and many of these other guys were the only sources us old time slow
builders had for info. The kits, plans, etc.. were far from what they are
today, and if you didn't use the info from those who'd gone before you,
completing those old kits could be quite a challenge.
What I'm saying is they know what they speak of, and they've been around the
block more times than many of the current builders would know. It's kind of
nice to see they are still here watching and occasionally taking the time to
input their thoughts.
My personal opinion on this is similar. I know what goes on, heck my
business is providing avionics for people. But, I can't believe people
openly advertise "professional building of your plane" and then wonder why
the FAA is looking at this whole subject. If you didn't keep seeing planes
like the "professionally built RV-10" on Ebay for sale, I'd guess this issue
wouldn't be nearly as big as it is. After all, it's kind of an oxymoron to
advertise an RV-10, which at its heart is an Amateur built experimental, as
"professionally built"....
My 2 cents as usual!
Cheers,
Stein
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sreynard
Joined: 30 May 2007
Posts: 13
Location: Santa Rosa, CA
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:03 pm Post subject: Builder Available! |
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How about submitting a resume to Cessna or Boeing? They are probably looking for experienced people that want to build airplanes for money.
Steve
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rickpegser(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 2:08 pm Post subject: Builder Available! |
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i don't know if this has been covered but after having to clean up my swamped inbox i missed alot of it. the only person allowed to contribute to the 51% rule is a person that is not compensated for his time ie. , owner friends and family,the only back door to this rule is the purchase of a kit from another builder. there is no limit on the compensation to the builder and thier work falls under the 51% rule. there are also a couple of other fars that deal with this but as long as only one or two a year come out of that shop then i don't see the faa getting a real hard on about it. but i would suggest that if you go this way at least get and a+p to do the work. since you are not going to be able to determine the condition of the aircraft and its build quality from build experence.
rick
--- On Thu, 8/28/08, John Cox <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com> wrote:
| Quote: | From: John Cox <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>
Subject: RE: Builder Available!
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 4:48 PM
Just call the guy a "hired educator". The owner
shows the ways of
capitalism and the worker provides the labor.
Unfortunately to acquire the Airworthiness Certificate
regardless of the
Repairman pursuit the owner of the kit must certify he has
done 51%.
John Cox
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
John Danielson
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 4:15 PM
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Builder Available!
I don't believe it's a problem to have help
building your experimental.
To hire someone to build the whole plane for you is not a
problem
either, if you don't apply for the repairmen's
certificate. This would
indicate that you built the plane.
Having help building is like having a friend or
organization build a
plane. If you only had help with construction, you would
still be able
to apply for the repairmen's certificate, You are the
builder.
John L. Danielson
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From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Mike Robertson
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 4:40 PM
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Builder Available!
Also, be careful about who may be on the list listening!!
Mike Robertson
Das Fed
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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From: bmeyette(at)gmail.com
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Builder Available!
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:33:36 -0400
isn't that contrary to the spirit, if not the letter,
of the 51% builder
rule? Nothing against you personally, and i dont say this
with any
antagoinstic meaning, but I understand that the current FAA
reexamination of the 51% rule and possible tightening of
restrictions on
builders is due to the proliferation of "builders for
hire".
brian
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From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Jack Sparling
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 8:14 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com; rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Builder Available!
If you are looking for someone to complete your project, I
will be
available in September. Please take a look at my blog and
give me a
call to discuss your needs.
All the best,
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