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peteohms

Joined: 31 Oct 2007
Posts: 224
Location: Leander, TX

Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 11:56 am Post subject: Removing a wheel to fix a tire?

I have a Kitfox III and I presume with the stock wheels.  I tried to remove 

a wheel to repair a tire but could not get it off.  I removed the 6 lug nuts 

and 3 allen head screws that attach the brake disk.  I tried to tap on the 

back to get the wheel to come off.  Before I use a "bigger hammer" , I would 

like to know if I'm going about this the right way.  If so, why would it 

stick?



Pete

Hell Paso, TX

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dwight purdy

Joined: 10 Feb 2006
Posts: 85

Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 12:06 pm Post subject: Removing a wheel to fix a tire?

Sounds right to me. If it is not moving at all then the wheel must 

corroded to the hub. If it is moving a little the disc would be stuck 

to the wheel.



  Dwight



At 03:55 PM 8/30/2008, you wrote:

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I have a Kitfox III and I presume with the stock wheels.  I tried to 

remove a wheel to repair a tire but could not get it off.  I removed 

the 6 lug nuts and 3 allen head screws that attach the brake 

disk.  I tried to tap on the back to get the wheel to come 

off.  Before I use a "bigger hammer" , I would like to know if I'm 

going about this the right way.  If so, why would it stick?



Pete

Hell Paso, TX

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Tom Jones

Joined: 12 Mar 2006
Posts: 752
Location: Ellensburg, WA

Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 12:35 pm Post subject: Re: Removing a wheel to fix a tire?

Pete,

The wheel bolt holes are drilled by the builder.  At least I drilled three of the six holes in each wheel.  If holes are not perfect the bolts may be stuck.  Try tapping the bolts out with a plastic mallet.  And like mentioned above, the disk can stick in the lugs it is bolted to.

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503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA

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Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 1:07 pm Post subject: Removing a wheel to fix a tire?

Hi Pete,



I just did the same thing to my KF2 to replace valves on wheels that hadn't

been removed in many years. If you don't want to take the calipers off (I

didn't) you need to pry the brake disk off the wheel hub (assuming you

already removed the allen head screws) - it's easy enough to get a

screwdriver tip in to do the job. Then I popped the lug screws out of the

hub with a rubber mallet. Then the wheel had to be coaxed off, at first with

the rubber mallet then a lot of wiggling.



I would highly recommend pulling the hub and cleaning, examining, and

repacking the bearings. As with a car wheel don't remove the rear bearing

seal unless you have a new one - removal damages them. Also check for any

wobble that can be eliminated by a turn on the castle nut - wobble could

have caused bearing damage.



When replacing be sure to overtighten the castle nut *slightly* to seat the

bearings then back it off, generally just one cotter pin setting. And make

sure you can properly safety wire the brake disk back on, that was the part

I had to learn and buy proper kit for.



Bob Brennan - N717GB

1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox

Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop

Wrightsville Pa



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peteohms

Joined: 31 Oct 2007
Posts: 224
Location: Leander, TX

Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 1:23 pm Post subject: Removing a wheel to fix a tire?

Thanks for all the help guys!



Bob,



The lug bolts can be driven out?  Mine must be frozen.  I removed the nuts 

without having to have a wrench on the bolt.  I suppose I can put the nuts 

back on to protect the threads and use a little more muscle to drive the 

bolts out the back



Pete



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Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 1:43 pm Post subject: Removing a wheel to fix a tire?

Pete,



I would wait for other listers to weigh in on the lug bolts before trying

too hard to pop them out, but they should be just press fit, mine were. A

couple of mine were loose enough to come out when I was wiggling

(struggling) with getting the wheel off but some stayed in when the wheel

finally came loose. On the other side I did pop them all out first because

it made getting the wheel off easier.



The best technique, bolts in or out, is to slowly spin the wheel whilst

tapping the hub with a hard *rubber* mallet. Obviously never use metal on

metal. Also I used some 3-in-1, left to penetrate for at least 10 minutes or

so on bolts and hubs. Brake disks too but be careful not to get *any* on the

disk surface, it will stay there a long time and glaze in use.



Bob 



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kcflys

Joined: 28 Aug 2007
Posts: 33
Location: Rancho Cordova, CA

Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 2:03 pm Post subject: Removing a wheel to fix a tire?

This may be off the wall but if you release the disk (allens) and just take 

the axel nut off doesn't the whole wheel just come off?  No lug nut removal 

needed.

Keith C.

Mod IV Speedster 912 IVO

Mather (MHR) CA



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john beirne

Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Posts: 24
Location: Ireland

Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 2:23 pm Post subject: Re: Removing a wheel to fix a tire?

I agree, just recently had a wheel off for tube replacement. No need to remove lug nuts at all- for wheel removal just remove the dust cap over the centre castellated nut, remove split pin, remove nut, disconnect brake disk from wheel back, and slide wheel and hub off stub axel. 

Curiously when I removed the tyre I found the wheel rim halfâ€™s to be welded together?

peteohms

Joined: 31 Oct 2007
Posts: 224
Location: Leander, TX

Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 2:30 pm Post subject: Removing a wheel to fix a tire?

Bet it would Keith but then I'd be into packing bearings and I just want to 

fix a flat.



Pete



Hell Paso, TX

Kitfox III SN 1000 912



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peteohms

Joined: 31 Oct 2007
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Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 2:34 pm Post subject: Removing a wheel to fix a tire?

I guess that will be plan "b" if all else fails.



Pete



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Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 2:38 pm Post subject: Removing a wheel to fix a tire?

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  I agree with Keith, it’s a very easy way to change the tire. Done it  several times myself.

  

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kcflys

Joined: 28 Aug 2007
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Location: Rancho Cordova, CA

Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 2:46 pm Post subject: Removing a wheel to fix a tire?

Pete,



You may find that the lugs don't do anything as they are only there to hold 

the rims togather and some are already welded togather.  Packing bearings 

only means some grease in your hand and a little pressure, not a big thing.



Keith C.

Mod IV Speedster 912 IVO

Mather (MHR) CA

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Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 3:00 pm Post subject: Removing a wheel to fix a tire?

And it's a *really* good idea to clean, inspect, and repack the bearings;

depending on how long ago it was last done. Especially making sure that the

castle nut is fitted properly, over time and wear the castle nut needs to be

checked for snug.



I personally have a preference for taking it all apart and inspecting while

I'm in there. I wasn't the one that built the airplane and I am now the

fifth owner, and I suspect some of the previous owners weren't as thorough

as me so I like to "rebuild" as I go.



Bob Brennan - N717GB

1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox

Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop

Wrightsville Pa 



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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 4:15 pm Post subject: Removing a wheel to fix a tire?

That's the way mine were...Douglas wheels.



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster

Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs and holding for repairs

Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try."  (Pink  

Floyd..."Learning to Fly")

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On Aug 30, 2008, at 6:23 PM, john beirne wrote:



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 I agree, just recently had a wheel off for tube replacement. No  

 need to remove lug nuts at all- for wheel removal just remove the  

 dust cap over the centre castellated nut, remove split pin, remove  

 nut, disconnect brake disk from wheel back, and slide wheel and hub  

 off stub axel.

 Curiously when I removed the tyre I found the wheel rim halfâ€™s to  

 be welded together?





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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 4:42 pm Post subject: Removing a wheel to fix a tire?

Right you are, Keith....



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster

Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs and holding for repairs

Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try."  (Pink  

Floyd..."Learning to Fly")

do not archive





On Aug 30, 2008, at 6:02 PM, Keith C. wrote:



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 This may be off the wall but if you release the disk (allens) and  

 just take the axel nut off doesn't the whole wheel just come off?   

 No lug nut removal needed.

 Keith C.

 Mod IV Speedster 912 IVO

 Mather (MHR) CA



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dave

Joined: 22 Sep 2006
Posts: 1382

Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 5:23 pm Post subject: Re: Removing a wheel to fix a tire?

Do what Keith said



take off three allen head capsrews to un do rotor

take off dust cap , cotter pin and loosen wheel nut. 

remove entire assembly  -- might as well check bearings while you in there.  SIMPLE  



Check caliper while they off to make sure they silde freely or you can get a sticking caliper in poor brake performance. 



OH and how you gonna fix the flat ?    You gonna ned a bead breaker for the Douglas wheels as they have  bead locker type rim like a ATV wheel.

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Tom Jones

Joined: 12 Mar 2006
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Location: Ellensburg, WA

Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 6:03 pm Post subject: Re: Removing a wheel to fix a tire?

Dave said

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		  OH and how you gonna fix the flat ? You gonna ned a bead breaker for the Douglas wheels as they have bead locker type rim like a ATV wheel. 	




Pete, if you don't have a tire bead breaker save yourself some grief and take it directly to the tire shop.  It can be done at home but believe me you risk damaging the wheel without the proper tools.  They are an ATV wheel unless you have the expensive split aircraft wheels.

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Rex Hefferan

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 147
Location: Olney Springs, Colorado USA "NOT a Kitpig"

Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 6:12 pm Post subject: Removing a wheel to fix a tire?

Yeah, Take digital photos and notes as you go if possible for a Kitfox 

wiki article. I'll offer to put it together and online if you can 

provide the content.



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Rex Hefferan

SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs

dave wrote:



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Do what Keith said



take off three allen head capsrews to un do rotor

take off dust cap , cotter pin and loosen wheel nut. 

remove entire assembly  -- might as well check bearings while you in there.  SIMPLE  



Check caliper while they off to make sure they silde freely or you can get a sticking caliper in poor brake performance. 



OH and how you gonna fix the flat ?    You gonna ned a bead breaker for the Douglas wheels as they have  bead locker type rim like a ATV wheel.



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dave

Joined: 22 Sep 2006
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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:37 am Post subject: Re: Removing a wheel to fix a tire?

Here is a picure of the bead breaker I use for Kitfox Wheels 

http://www.cfisher.com/kingfox.html



I can change tires in a few minutes once off the plane. 

Taking off the plane should just take you a few minutes as well. 



Dave

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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:10 am Post subject: Removing a wheel to fix a tire?

Hi Dave C  if you get a chance C could you post some pics of how the beadbreaker works.  Just looking at the picture C I had some ideas C but I'm not sure.  I would like to make one myself.  Thanks C  Jim Chuk  Kitfox 4 building C  Avid MK IV flying  Mn



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 From: dave(at)cfisher.com

 Date: Sun C 31 Aug 2008 03:37:07 -0700

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 Here is a picure of the bead breaker I use for Kitfox Wheels 

 http://www.cfisher.com/kingfox.html

 

 I can change tires in a few minutes once off the plane. 

 Taking off the plane should just take you a few minutes as well. 

 

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