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bhancock(at)worldwidewarb
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 Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 11:55 am Post subject: OL's and SAC's |
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Dennis, et. al.,
In addition to paragraph 30 being able to be deleted per the Memorandum removing the 300nm range restriction. It also allows for the removal of paragraph 46 requiring issuance of new OL's and SAC. We have certified several aircraft, both CJ-6 and L-39, in the past 6 months and are happy to help or act as your agent and completely manage the process for you.
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On Sep 5, 2008, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
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As I previously mentioned, be sure the aircraft's registration is current.
If not, they can not issue the OL's and Special Airworthiness Certificate.
Also make sure the new OL's that will be issued do not have the 300 NM
proficiency area anywhere in them. That was rescinded on September 11, 2007
by Memorandum, see attached. [b]
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keith(at)mckinley.us
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 3:20 pm Post subject: OL's and SAC's |
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Hi Barry,
Do you have that reference? I do not see that in the memorandum Dennis attached to his post.
Keith
On Sep 6, 2008, at 3:54 PM, Barry Hancock wrote:
[quote] Dennis, et. al.,
In addition to paragraph 30 being able to be deleted per the Memorandum removing the 300nm range restriction. It also allows for the removal of paragraph 46 requiring issuance of new OL's and SAC. We have certified several aircraft, both CJ-6 and L-39, in the past 6 months and are happy to help or act as your agent and completely manage the process for you.
Regards,
Barry
Barry Hancock
Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
office (909) 606-4444
cell (949) 300-5510
www.worldwidewarbirds.com
Express Mailing address:
7000 Merrill Ave, B-110, Unit J
Chino, CA 91710
Regular Mailing address:
7000 Merrill Ave., Box 91
Chino, CA 91710
The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipients. If the reader of this message is not an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, forwarding or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. Please notify us immediately by reply e-mail or telephone, and delete the original message and all attachments from your system. Thank you
On Sep 5, 2008, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
| Quote: | As I previously mentioned, be sure the aircraft's registration is current.
If not, they can not issue the OL's and Special Airworthiness Certificate.
Also make sure the new OL's that will be issued do not have the 300 NM
proficiency area anywhere in them. That was rescinded on September 11, 2007
by Memorandum, see attached.
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dsavarese0812(at)bellsout
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:14 am Post subject: OL's and SAC's |
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Barry,
With all due respect, I don't believe the Memorandum eliminates the requirement for reissuance of operating limitations when the aircraft is relocated. It only eliminates the requirement for the appropriate paragraph 161 b, (31), (32), (33) or (34), each of which referred to proficiency area limitations.
The elimination of the requirement to reissue the aircraft's operating limitations is dependant upon how the OL's are written either by the FSDO inspector or the DAR issuing the OL's. This is not covered by the Memorandum. All of the aircraft that I have certified have been issued OL's that do not require the reissuance of the OL's when an aircraft is relocated. But again, this is solely dependant upon how the inspector or DAR writes the OL's. This precedent was established years ago by George Coy (if I am not mistaken - thank you George)and was accepted by the FAA. The Detroit FSDO also implemented this same procedure sometime later. George developed OL's with a "cover letter" which basically stated when an aircraft is relocated, the owner is only required to send a copy of the existing OL's to the new FSDO and certify in writing that he has read and will comply with the existing OL's and state in the letter the new home base airport is "-------". Nowhere in the body of the aircraft's original OL's does it state a home base airport. The home base airport is only stated in the Operational Program Letter, which is the cover letter I mentioned to the OL's. The OPL is NOT the Annual Schedule of Events we still are suppose to submit to the FAA annually. BTW, the Annual Schedule of Events, (sometimes called the Program Letter) has not been eliminated by the Memorandum according to the FAA, which is totally ridiculous if we no longer have proficiency flight restrictions. One other caveat; if the aircraft's OL's have not been updated to remove the proficiency flight area, the aircraft must still operate in accordance with the existing OL's which does have the 300/600 mile proficiency area restriction.
The reason the OL's had to be rewritten AND a new Special Airworthiness Certificate had to be reissued when the aircraft was relocated was because the home base airport was stated in the OL's and the OL's and SAC are married together. If the OL's are no longer valid because of the name of the home base airport, then the SAC was no longer valid either. Thus, when the aircraft was moved to a new home base airport, the OL's were invalid because of that one, single statement and so was the SAC. As long as there were no other "restrictions" imposed by lets say demographics, the OL's really didn't need to be rewritten EXCEPT to change the name of the home base airport.
Pre-moratorium aircraft (July 1993) do not have proficiency area restrictions. So none of this stuff applies to them.
Having said all this, remember the FAA/FSDO always has the power to reissue the aircraft's operating limitations, regardless of how the existing OL's are written . In almost all cases though when an aircraft is relocated, the local FSDO accepts the OPL certification by the owner along with a copy of the existing OL's. They don't like to have to do additional paperwork.
Dennis
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