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 Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:12 am Post subject: A request for action (you asked) |
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So, John, are you saying that you like aviation user fees or are you
praying for a death from old age the day after inauguration? 
You might want to explain (to those of us who are seeing our retirement
savings and investments disappear before we can even retire) how massive
deficit spending is different from taxation. The current policies have
already crippled my ability to fly; having a VP who's husband owns a
plane isn't likely to help us any. McCain owns more houses than he can
count; did he help, or help cause the current mortgage debacle? Check
McCain's voting record on veterans' affairs. I think you'll be shocked.
The current crop of Republicans (who are NOT conservative), with their
borrow-and-spend tactics, make tax-and-spend Democrats look conservative.
I'd strongly suggest that you look beyond Ms. Palin's acceptance speech
& look at her long list of past activities, like attempted book banning,
attempting to fire the town librarian when she wouldn't go along with
the book banning, favoring Alaska secession, massive deficit spending on
'frills' (still running at a deficit today) while letting infrastructure
decay in her home town, firing the head law enforcement official in
Alaska because he wouldn't fire her ex-brother in law, sale of that jet,
not on Ebay, but to a big Alaskan GOP contributor, *at a loss*, actively
supporting Ted Stevens' "bridge to nowhere" until it became obvious that
there was near universal opposition, even among Alaskans, actively
seeking earmarks, shall I continue?
Please do not read this as an endorsement of the Democratic ticket. If
we want to see improvements in this country, we will have to look
outside the two major parties.
Charlie
John Cox wrote:
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Mike, your contribution to the RV-10 community, the RV community and
the Experimental Built Amateur Owned community has been valued over
the years. Your loss to the Oregon community has become Spokane's
gain. I think of you at every EAA 105 breakfast just like this morning.
I support whole heartedly the value in owners seeking their
Airworthiness Inspectors insight, training and wisdom in the
certification process of OBAM aircraft. I am only aware of one
Inspector nationwide who like some DARs are repetitively signing off
aircraft mass produced by Pro Builders. Most are an invaluable
resource to make our projects safer. I found with my 23 years while
serving as a DPE for NM-09 that the staff and inspectors, both Ops and
Airworthiness to be a wonderful resource for aviation. You civil
servants have too often been maligned and few understand the long
hours and dedication you provide.
For those of you reading this, take Mike's heed and write your
legislators. In Oregon we have Rep. DeFazio and may soon have VP Sarah
Palin who has come out in support of GA on behalf of her husband (the
family pilot). We need all the friends we can get to preserve our
wonderful activity. Make your voices heard and your tax dollars count.
John Cox
RV Builder
Tech Counselor
A&P I/A
Airline Mechanic
Pilot
Voter
*From:* owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Robertson
*Sent:* Friday, September 05, 2008 11:46 PM
*To:* rv list
*Subject:* A request for action
This is going to take a bit, so if you don't want to get involved this
is a good time to hit delete.
Gentleman, and any ladies that may still be with us,
I have a request for all of you that , if heard, will benefit
everyone. Everyone has known me for quite a while. I built my first RV
in 1998, and have been building and flying RV's ever since.
Over that time I have been greatly involved with my job in
certificating and overseeing amateur-built aircraft. I have also seen
a very disturbing trend that I feel now needs to be addressed. And
that is the lack of service you have receiving from the Flight
Standards Offices. I am requesting that all of you call, or email, you
US Representative and/or US Senator, and let them know that you are
NOT receiving service from the FAA that your tax dollars are paying
for. As a matter of fact you have been paying a private user fee for
quite some time now, and you have the right to tell them it needs to
stop. And this involves your having to pay for certification of your
amateur-built aircraft. And with the attempt by the FAA to change the
Amateur-built rules and a recent change to the authority of the DARs
you are going to have to pay more very soon. I would also request that
you keep my name out of it off of this list.
Now...Let me explain. Please bare with me as I need to explain the
system just a little so you can be somewhat educated.
Within the FAA there are two branches that are tasked with conducting
inspections and issuing airworthiness certificates to all aircraft, be
they Standard category or Experimental. Those two branches are the
Manufacturing Inspection District Offices (MIDO) and the Flight
Standards District Offices (FSDO). Most of the work is done by the
FSDOs due to the fact that MIDOs are located with the regional
offices, thus very far from most of us. There are only 9 MIDOs in the
country.
Due to politics and high profiles the management within the flight
standards has made the decision that focusing on inspections of
scheduled Air Carriers (i.e, United Airlines, etc.) gives them the
biggest bang for the buck, if you will. If the Flight Standards
management had their way ALL general aviation would have to use
designees and pay for service. And that is exactly what they are
trying to do through the back door.
Most of you already know that if you contact your FSDO to get an
inspection done, they will refer you to a DAR telling you that they no
longer do inspections. That is a LIE. It is part of the job
description of every airworthiness inspector in the FAA. Granted, many
of them do not know anything about the types of aircraft we build but
there are many many more who do know, want to do them, and have the
time do do them, but management within the Flight Standards has
declared, in writing, that we are not to bother with Amateur-builders,
and are to send everyone to a DAR, irregardless of what it may cost
you, the builder.
Your tax dollar pays for the operation of the FAA and you have the
right to receive service for that dollar. You are not. Please do not
get me wrong. As you know from the recent Southwest Airlines fiasco,
inspecting big air carriers is important. But general aviation
inspectors do NOT routinely inspect big air carriers.. We inspect
general aviation operators, such as charter operations, flight
schools, crop dusters, and repair stations. And at no additional cost
to the FAA of travel dollars airworthiness inspectors could include
certification of Amateur-built aircraft in their
surveillence/inspections trips. Each of us goes on the road often
enough to include everyone, if we were allowed.
I am sorry for being up on a soap box for so long but I am tired of
telling people 'no', I can't help you even though I have the expertise
and the time. And I have talked with numerous airworthiness inspectors
who feel the same way. But from the inside we have no way to buck the
system. It has to come from outside, and that is why I am asking for
all of you to take action. Contact your Representatives, Senators, the
EAA, and AOPA and let them know that you are not happy about what is
happening.
Mike R.
RV Builder
Tech Counselor
A&P
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sportav8r(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 1:48 pm Post subject: A request for action (you asked) |
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Evidently the temptation to introduce B. Hussein's talking points onto the
list was too much to pass over, Paul.
Charlie, we've had our disagreements in the past, when I mistook you for a
fellow conservative and sent you some pro-2nd amendment stuff - I won't go
there again with you since it ruffles your feathers so, and to no net
positive effect that I can see. But I think you might possibly find the
thread referenced here ->
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=749631 worth your time,
since not everything you have heard and repeated about Gov. Palin is, in
fact, true.
Respectfully,
Bill B.
On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Paul Rice <rice737(at)msn.com> wrote:
[quote] Charlie,
If you read Mike's letter, you will note that he and his counterparts have
the *TIME* and experience to perform our inspections. *"Time*", means
that no other personnel would have to be hired by the FAA to do this job and
no more money spent, therefore no reason for them to bring up user fees, let
alone you bringing up your view of politics. Stop blaming the government
for all your problems, get on with flying, and only post things pertaining
to aircraft building.
Paul
RV8
Flying Siren
> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 13:05:10 -0500
> From: ceengland(at)bellsouth.net
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: A request for action (you asked)
>
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>
> So, John, are you saying that you like aviation user fees or are you
> praying for a death from old age the day after inauguration?
>
> You might want to explain (to those of us who are seeing our retirement
> savings and investments disappear before we can even retire) how massive
> deficit spending is different from taxation. The current policies have
> already crippled my ability to fly; having a VP who's husband owns a
> plane isn't likely to help us any. McCain owns more houses than he can
> count; did he help, or help cause the current mortgage debacle? Check
> McCain's voting record on veterans' affairs. I think you'll be shocked.
>
> The current crop of Republicans (who are NOT conservative), with their
> borrow-and-spend tactics, make tax-and-spend Democrats look conservative.
>
> I'd strongly suggest that you look beyond Ms. Palin's acceptance speech
> & look at her long list of past activities, like attempted book banning,
> attempting to fire the town librarian when she wouldn't go along with
> the book banning, favoring Alaska secession, massive deficit spending on
> 'frills' (still running at a deficit today) while letting infrastructure
> decay in her home town, firing the head law enforcement official in
> Alaska because he wouldn't fire her ex-brother in law, sale of that jet,
> not on Ebay, but to a big Alaskan GOP contributor, *at a loss*, actively
> supporting Ted Stevens' "bridge to nowhere" until it became obvious that
> there was near universal opposition, even among Alaskans, actively
> seeking earmarks, shall I continue?
>
> Please do not read this as an endorsement of the Democratic ticket. If
> we want to see improvements in this country, we will have to look
> outside the two major parties.
>
> Charlie
>
>
> John Cox wrote:
> >
> > Mike, your contribution to the RV-10 community, the RV community and
> > the Experimental Built Amateur Owned community has been valued over
> > the years. Your loss to the Oregon community has become Spokane's
> > gain. I think of you at every EAA 105 breakfast just like this morning.
> >
> > I support whole heartedly the value in owners seeking their
> > Airworthiness Inspectors insight, training and wisdom in the
> > certification process of OBAM aircraft. I am only aware of one
> > Inspector nationwide who like some DARs are repetitively signing off
> > aircraft mass produced by Pro Builders. Most are an invaluable
> > resource to make our projects safer. I found with my 23 years while
> > serving as a DPE for NM-09 that the staff and inspectors, both Ops and
> > Airworthiness to be a wonderful resource for aviation. You civil
> > servants have too often been maligned and few understand the long
> > hours and dedication you provide.
> >
> > For those of you reading this, take Mike's heed and write your
> > legislators. In Oregon we have Rep. DeFazio and may soon have VP Sarah
> > Palin who has come out in support of GA on behalf of her husband (the
> > family pilot). We need all the friends we can get to preserve our
> > wonderful activity. Make your voices heard and your tax dollars count
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:13 pm Post subject: A request for action (you asked) |
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In a message dated 9/6/2008 11:15:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ceengland(at)bellsouth.net writes:
| Quote: | You might want to explain (to those of us who are seeing our retirement
savings and investments disappear before we can even retire) how massive
deficit spending is different from taxation. The current policies have
already crippled my ability to fly; having a VP who's husband owns a
plane isn't likely to help us any. McCain owns more houses than he can
count; did he help, or help cause the current mortgage debacle? Check
McCain's voting record on veterans' affairs. I think you'll be shocked. |
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Good shot Charlie. Many of us are not ready to drink the Kool-aid, so you are not alone.
N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 900hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, Silicon Valley)
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jsflyrv(at)verizon.net
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:01 pm Post subject: A request for action (you asked) |
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Got to love the way you guys leave your political garbage in the
archives forever.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Vanremog(at)aol.com wrote:
| Quote: | In a message dated 9/6/2008 11:15:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
ceengland(at)bellsouth.net writes:
You might want to explain (to those of us who are seeing our
retirement
savings and investments disappear before we can even retire) how
massive
deficit spending is different from taxation. The current policies
have
already crippled my ability to fly; having a VP who's husband owns a
plane isn't likely to help us any. McCain owns more houses than he
can
count; did he help, or help cause the current mortgage debacle? Check
McCain's voting record on veterans' affairs. I think you'll be
shocked.
=============================================
Good shot Charlie. Many of us are not ready to drink the Kool-aid, so
you are not alone.
N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 900hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, Silicon Valley)
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Vanremog(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:08 pm Post subject: A request for action (you asked) |
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In a message dated 9/6/2008 9:02:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jsflyrv(at)verizon.net writes:
| Quote: | Got to love the way you guys leave your political garbage in the
archives forever.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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I agree, it's too bad that some stuff seems interminable, like the last 8 yrs.
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