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NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net
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 Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 9:09 am Post subject: FAASafety.gov - General Information "Law Enforcement Assista |
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I just received this from the FAA. Note the attached link [url=]https://www.faasafety.gov/files/notices/2008/Sep/LEAP_Brochure.pdf[/url]
The area of concern is the need to fill out and carry a FAA form 337 when flying with a aux fuel tank in my passenger seat. The brochure indicates that this form must be filled out, carried, and presented to law enforcement officials when requested. The form is for major modifications to an aircraft. This isn't even a true "installation" in my plane any more than a passenger is an installation but?
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Rick Neilsen
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lucien
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| Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 9:36 am Post subject: Re: FAASafety.gov - General Information |
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| NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net wrote: | I just received this from the FAA. Note the attached link [url=]https://www.faasafety.gov/files/notices/2008/Sep/LEAP_Brochure.pdf[/url]
The area of concern is the need to fill out and carry a FAA form 337 when flying with a aux fuel tank in my passenger seat. The brochure indicates that this form must be filled out, carried, and presented to law enforcement officials when requested. The form is for major modifications to an aircraft. This isn't even a true "installation" in my plane any more than a passenger is an installation but?
Any thoughts
Rick Neilsen
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It sounds like this only applies if you've actually attached a "fuel tank" - i.e if it's been added to the fuel system with fuel lines, pump and etc. Yeah that would definitely count as a modification for purposes of the regs I should think. It's definitely an "installation" of an aux fuel tank.
If it's just a can of gas all sealed up, set in the back seat and therefore not part of the fuel system, I don't see that it would count as a mod........
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| Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 10:15 am Post subject: Re: FAASafety.gov - General Information |
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If there is not a line attached to the tank, it is not a mod, its just cargo. If you hook it into the fuel system, it MIGHT be considered a mod, but that could also be subject to interpretation of whoever you run into. If you were worried about it, I would just make it so that I could quickly connect and disconnect to the fuel system as needed, making it nothing but a gas can carried as cargo whenever you are at somewhere you might get inspected..
Also, as an experimental plane, I think you are allowed to make modifications without a bunch of paperwork. It seems that this restriction that FAA is talking about would apply to a certified aircraft, but I would not think that it would apply to experimental, it would be worth checking into. The EAA would know for sure, its a free call.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 10:38 am Post subject: FAASafety.gov - General Information "Law Enforcement Assista |
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The FAA is talking about assisting Law Enforcement! Maybe they feel that if
you are carrying the gas can and do not have a 337 in the plane, it will
make law enforcement think it is a bomb or you plan to crash into something?
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lucien
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| Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 11:00 am Post subject: Re: FAASafety.gov - General Information |
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| dcarr(at)uniontel.net wrote: | The FAA is talking about assisting Law Enforcement! Maybe they feel that if
you are carrying the gas can and do not have a 337 in the plane, it will
make law enforcement think it is a bomb or you plan to crash into something?
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It's actually the other way around. The FnAA is trying to get non-FnAA entities to try to help them do the job they're falling down on....
The latest is ATC. FnAA is now trying to force controllers to bust or surveille pilots for infractions as part of their duties as controllers. Of course, most controllers are vehemently opposed to this since it's not their job.
That's part of the reason your local friendly towers, approach controls, etc. aren't so friendly lately. Pilots aren't the only ones who have animosity towards the FnAA these days......
I wouldn't be surprised if they're trying to shirk off some of their regulatory duties on law enforcement as well.....
As for the 337, I also understand that's paperwork required only of standard category aircraft. I don't think special category planes like experimentals need to do that. Instead, you're technically supposed to present the mod to an inspector, fly off another phase I, etc.
Tho generally, even the FSDO's will often wonder why you're even calling them once you ring them up about it, if it's something not so major like a new prop or maybe a gas can, etc....
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