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Tim Olson
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 Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:45 am Post subject: Standards for word "Experimental" required on inte |
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Linn,
I agree, the wording isn't vague at all:
"the operator must also display on that aircraft near each entrance to
the cabin, cockpit, or pilot station,"
The baggage bulkhead isn't "near each entrance" unless perhaps
you're trying to conform for the baggage door entrance.
It's not a big pissing match, but I think that anything but
near the door neither meets the law technically, nor the
laws intent. If you can get away with it, or away with it
for a while, so be it.
I'm always amazed that people want to HIDE some of these things.
I mean, you're PROUD that you built the plane. Having that
word there not only ensures people know what they're getting
into when they board, but gives great awareness to people
who see it and they may just get interested in exactly what
makes your plane unique.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
linn Walters wrote:
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David McNeill wrote:
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> Why on the door? Mine is across the baggage aft bulkhead.
Actually, the answer is below .....
"They told me the wording has to be at all passenger entrances into the
aircraft."
In actuality, I think it says "must be visible to persons entering the
aircraft" ..... I didn't look it up. When the NTSB looked at my Pitts
(don't ask ... long story)the only 'experimental' visible was on the
engraved data plate attached to the baggage compartment door .... behind
the pilots head. There was discussion about it, but they accepted it.
Being on the baggage bulkhead may meet the letter of the law, but I
think it skirts the intent. When you (the collective 'you') do things
like this, where the subject isn't specifically defined (the position of
the label) ponder how you'd answer the question from a lawyer.
Putting the "experimental" label on the door 'upside down' so it can be
read getting into the plane makes it hard to miss, and is probably where
mine will go, thanks to Greg.
Linn
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partner14
Joined: 12 Jan 2008
Posts: 540
Location: Granbury Texas
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| Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 1:37 pm Post subject: Standards for word "Experimental" required on inte |
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As a complete newcomer to aviation prior to ordering the RV10 in 11-06, I always kind of thought there should be a 3rd category. Certified, Experimental, and Non-certified. It's not like the 10 is built by a couple of farmers out back of Fred's barn, saying things like "hey, lets try it this time without the tail". Our 10's are a somewhat proven machine, we merely are able to add, delete, and modify "stuff" that happens to be sometimes, not TSO'd. Ok, most of the time! As Rick always says "that's my 2 cents.
Besides, I can't beleive I will ever have someone as a paaenger in my plane who doesn't already know exactly what the situation is.
Don McDonald
#40636 Finishing
om> wrote:
| Quote: | From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Standards for word "Experimental" required on inte
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 8:41 AM
| Quote: | --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com>
Linn,
I agree, the wording isn't vague at all:
"the operator must also display on that aircraft near each entrance to
the cabin, cockpit, or pilot station,"
The baggage bulkhead isn't "near each entrance" unless perhaps
you're trying to conform for the baggage door entrance.
It's not a big pissing match, but I think that anything but
near the door neither meets the law technically, nor the
laws intent. If you can get away with it, or away with it
for a while, so be it.
I'm always amazed that people want to HIDE some of these things.
I mean, you're PROUD that you built the plane. Having that
word there not only ensures people know what they're getting
into when they board, but gives great awareness to people
who see it and they may just get interested in exactly what
makes your plane unique.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
linn Walters wrote:
| Quote: | --> RV10-List message posted by: linn Walters
<pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
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David McNeill wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill"
<dlm46007(at)cox.net>
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> Why on the door? Mine is across the baggage aft bulkhead.
Actually, the answer is below .....
"They told me the wording has to be at all passenger entrances into
the
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| Quote: | aircraft."
In actuality, I think it says "must be visible to persons entering
the
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| Quote: | aircraft" ..... I didn't look it up. When the NTSB looked at my
Pitts
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| Quote: | (don't ask ... long story)the only 'experimental' visible was
on the
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| Quote: | engraved data plate attached to the baggage compartment door .... behind
the pilots head. There was discussion about it, but they accepted it.
Being on the baggage bulkhead may meet the letter of the law, but I
think it skirts the intent. When you (the collective 'you') do
things
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| Quote: | like this, where the subject isn't specifically defined (the position
of
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| Quote: | the label) ponder how you'd answer the question from a lawyer.
Putting the "experimental" label on the door 'upside
down' so it can be
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| Quote: | read getting into the plane makes it hard to miss, and is probably where
mine will go, thanks to Greg.
Linn
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:31 pm Post subject: Standards for word "Experimental" required on inte |
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OK Tom...now that you remember that "term"
LOL...I had the wonderful experience of meeting that reporter last weekend...I have a friend who just retired as the News Director for the station who aired that piece (that's how they contacted me) ...Had a few glasses wine, and decided to "speak" with him a bit...seemed this educated fella didn't even know that shoes were made & repaired by "Cobblers" in years gone by, matter of fact, since he didn't know who I was AT FIRST...I told him I saw his story and I was unsure of the word "Cobbled" He could not provide a definition..then I came clean and we had an interesting conversation...jeeezzz...all I can say is there is a high level of ignorance of general aviation or aviation in general with the media...and can I say that I had at least 8 phone calls since that incident that said..."Hi Rick, that wasn't you that crashed was it???" WTF....I answered the phone "Hi Perini Safety this is Rick", Not "Heavens Gate how may I direct your call?"
So it spills over to the public as well....FWIW...I adjusted at least 20 claims in 4 years that were the result of cars and one HUGE tour bus running into houses....not one airplane, guess how many of the vehicle vs. houses made it to the local news... ZERO...the bus had a small piece on the 11 O'clock but only because the driver was drunk...
Rick Sked
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