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Total Messages Posted Tue 09/23/08: 33
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Today's Message Index:
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1. 04:47 AM - fuel additive (Ted Cowan)
2. 05:00 AM - Re: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503? (robert bean)
3. 06:09 AM - Re: Mark III performance (clrprop)
4. 06:42 AM - Re: EGT probe location (Jack B. Hart)
5. 08:06 AM - Re: Use of Facet fuel pumps as backup to pulse pump (JetPilot)
6. 08:33 AM - More 2008 Kolb Homecoming Photos (John Hauck)
7. 08:37 AM - More Homecoming Photos (John Hauck)
8. 08:40 AM - More Photos of Homecoming (John Hauck)
9. 08:48 AM - Re: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503? (russ kinne)
10. 09:02 AM - More Homecoming Photos (John Hauck)
11. 09:22 AM - Re: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503? (Dana Hague)
12. 09:22 AM - Re: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503? (pj.ladd)
13. 10:18 AM - Re: More Homecoming Photos (Jerry Jones)
14. 10:22 AM - Re: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503? (Richard Girard)
15. 11:47 AM - Re: Re: Mark III performance (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
16. 02:10 PM - FS II Aileron balance weight (Bill Eslick)
17. 02:40 PM - Re: FS II Aileron balance weight (John Hauck)
18. 02:46 PM - Re: More Photos of Homecoming (cristalclear13)
19. 02:51 PM - Re: airspeed tubing (cristalclear13)
20. 03:02 PM - Fw: Kolb List: Re:FS II aileron balance weight (william sullivan)
21. 03:20 PM - Re: Re: More Photos of Homecoming (John Hauck)
22. 03:27 PM - Kolb List: Re: Homecoming (william sullivan)
23. 03:35 PM - Re: Kolb List: Re: Homecoming (John Hauck)
24. 05:03 PM - Re: Kolb List: Re: Homecoming (Dana Hague)
25. 06:16 PM - Kolb List Re: Homecoming (william sullivan)
26. 06:21 PM - Re: FS II Aileron balance weight (Carlos)
27. 06:37 PM - Re: Kolb List Re: Homecoming (John Hauck)
28. 06:43 PM - Re: Kolb List Re: Homecoming (Dana Hague)
29. 06:47 PM - Re: airspeed tubing (cristalclear13)
30. 07:10 PM - Kolb Flyer (william sullivan)
31. 07:29 PM - Re: Kolb List Re: Homecoming (chris davis)
32. 07:49 PM - Kolb List: Re: homcoming (william sullivan)
33. 07:54 PM - harvested peanut feild for a landing strip? (grantr)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 04:47:05 AM PST US
From: "Ted Cowan" <tc1917(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: fuel additive
Dont know how many know this but there is another answer to using low lead
av gas. I have been reading (and using) about the new Sta-bil. There is a
website for it at www.goldeagle.com/sta-bil/stabil_marine.htm. There are
also some other brands you can find at marine outlets. I have used stabil
forever to keep tractor and motorbikes, generators clean. This is
formulated special for ethanol. I had it in my gas the whole time I was
flying at the homecoming. It sets my mind at ease that I should not have to
worry about corn squeezins in my tanks. Check it out and you may find one
less thing to worry about. Oh, yeah, put in my rv too, one once per ten
gals of gas and although I did not get better mileage, it did run a whole
lot faster over the mountains, has an octane booster in it. I am sold.
Had a funtastic time at homecoming. Great to see all you guys again, so
many Kolbs, so little time. Was impressed with the Hurth on the MkC.
Sounded and performed pretty much as a Rotax but I guess a bunch cheaper.
Also was a fantastic plane. Red, White and Blue, my colors. My Kudos to
all who worked the homecoming. We appreciate it. Ted Cowan, Alabama,
Slingshot 912.
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 05:00:32 AM PST US
From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503?
disposed of? in other words they dig it up and move it to another
spot..-problem solved?.... no
transplanted maybe. How many of us have gotten a good mouthful of
the old leaded stuff
trying to prime a gas transfer?
Me?, brain-damaged? nahhhhhh
BB
On 22, Sep 2008, at 9:40 PM, possums wrote:
| Quote: | At 08:10 PM 9/22/2008, you wrote:
>
> Not a reason to choose a fuel, but an interesting aside: When my
> friend's MKIII crashed this weekend, the DEP was on the scene
> because all the fuel leaked out of the plane into the ground,
> close to the river and to a well. He was quite concerned if it
> was leaded aviation fuel (it wasn't). Either way the pilot (or
> the pilot's insurance) will have to pay to have the soil dug up
> and disposed of.
>
> -Dana
Yeah, when I sunk mine in the lake, the Corp of Engineers were more
concerned about
wether or not I might still have fuel in my tank that could leak,
than just about
anything else. Like every boat & jet ski sloshing back & forth all
day long never spilled a drop. <Torpedo Sullivan.jpg>
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________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Time: 06:09:05 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Mark III performance
From: "clrprop" <ktony(at)windstream.net>
Can someone help me out a little here?
Was there ever a POH for the MarkIII C? If so, is it possible to get a copy? Operating
limitations? Performance data?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5679#205679
________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
Time: 06:42:38 AM PST US
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Re: EGT probe location
At 09:36 PM 9/22/08 -0400, you wrote:
| Quote: |
Makes sense, if fuel is still burning in the exhaust. How much higher does
it read if it's _not_ running rich?
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Dana,
So far it will drop to with in 50 degrees on the Victor 1+.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
Time: 08:06:13 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Use of Facet fuel pumps as backup to pulse pump
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Howard,
The first part of your post is very good, there are many reasons to have a backup
fuel pump, and your experience is just another example of many reasons as to
how having backup electric fuel pump can prevent an engine failure.
I strongly disagree with the second part of your post, an electric fuel pump should
always be on for takeoff and landing. Takeoff is where the fuel demand is
the highest, and when you are most likely to need an electric pump. The safest
thing you can do is to keep your engine running on takeoff, and prevent a
crash period, you will not have time to turn on your fuel pump or restart if your
engine quits soon on takeoff. You increase the chances of a crash and the
fire you are so worried about by not running a backup fuel pump on takeoff.
You obviously saw the results of one accident where a freak set of circumstances
made it much worse, but to base your actions on ONE ACCIDENT is bad judgment.
Just because something happens ONCE does not make it PROBABLE. I flipped
a coin once, and it landed on the edge, does that mean than in a coin toss I am
always going to guess the coin will land on the edge ??? No, I will chose heads
or tails... I will chose something that is likely, not something that has
a one in a million chance just because I have seen it before.
Your chances of a crash on takeoff and a post crash fire are increased by NOT running
the fuel pump. It is important to look at what the biggest risks are rather
than obsessing over what happened in one freak accident.
In certified aircraft, the procedure is to have electric backup pumps running for
takeoff and landing. The best solution to avoid a fire is to avoid a crash
on takeoff, the best way to avoid a crash is to keep your engine running on
takeoff.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5707#205707
________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
Time: 08:33:22 AM PST US
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: More 2008 Kolb Homecoming Photos
Morning Gang:
Here are a few more photos.
a. My camp.
b. James Tripp and his camp.
c. Steven Green and his camp.
john h
mkIII
________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
Time: 08:37:19 AM PST US
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: More Homecoming Photos
a. Bruce Chesnut and Bruce Chaison with Bruce's MKIII. NOTE: When I refer
to my airplane it is a MKIII. It is serial number M3-011. Fuselage was
built in Feb 1991, some years before the Xtra was conceived by TNK. My
MKIII is not a MKIII Classic, just a MKIII. I refer to the Xtra as a
MKIIIX. 
b. Rip Welsh and a local Sling Shot that spent some time in my area before
it was sold, several years ago.
c. The Boss, Donnie Sizemore, busy as usual. That's the factory MKIIIX in
the background.
john h
mkIII
________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
Time: 08:40:45 AM PST US
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: More Photos of Homecoming
a. Happy campers.
b. "This is how I would do it!"
c. Larry Duncan trying to figure out how to get home to Mountain Home,
Arkansas. Larry was one of the flyin campers.
john h
mkIII
________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________
Time: 08:48:18 AM PST US
From: russ kinne <russ(at)rkiphoto.com>
Subject: Re: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503?
I believe the DEP requires that fuel-contaminated soil be BURNED --
like, cremated. That's one reason why it costs so much.
The air pollution may well be worse than burying it -- but that's the
Gov't for you.
A residence nearby had a fuel-oil leak that cost over $100-K.
do not repeat!
do not archive
On Sep 23, 2008, at 7:58 AM, robert bean wrote:
| Quote: |
disposed of? in other words they dig it up and move it to another
spot..-problem solved?.... no
transplanted maybe. How many of us have gotten a good mouthful of
the old leaded stuff
trying to prime a gas transfer?
Me?, brain-damaged? nahhhhhh
BB
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________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________
Time: 09:02:46 AM PST US
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: More Homecoming Photos
a. Travis Brown and his band of renowned.
b. A big coal fired power plant from 7,000 feet SW of Oak Ridge, TN.
Cruising 80 mph, my ground speed was 102 mph. That makes me smile when I
get over 100 mph ground speed.
john h
mkIII
________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________
Time: 09:22:24 AM PST US
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503?
At 07:58 AM 9/23/2008, robert bean wrote:
| Quote: |
disposed of? in other words they dig it up and move it to another
spot..-problem solved?.... no
transplanted maybe. How many of us have gotten a good mouthful of
the old leaded stuff
trying to prime a gas transfer?
|
I didn't say it made sense...
-Dana
do not archive
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I'm as confused as a baby in a topless bar.
________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________
Time: 09:22:24 AM PST US
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503?
I believe the DEP requires that fuel-contaminated soil be BURNED --
like, cremated.>>
Good grief. i can see the pointof all this if a tanker had crashed but for
5 gallons?
Pat
________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________
Time: 10:18:09 AM PST US
From: Jerry Jones <maderah2(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: More Homecoming Photos
John,
As always, thank you for your photos and other input. You do good by
showing how much fun and adventure a person can enjoy flying light-
sport type aircraft, Kolbs in particular--of course.
Jerry
Fresno
On Sep 23, 2008, at 9:00 AM, John Hauck wrote:
| Quote: | a. Travis Brown and his band of renowned.
b. A big coal fired power plant from 7,000 feet SW of Oak Ridge,
TN. Cruising 80 mph, my ground speed was 102 mph. That makes me
smile when I get over 100 mph ground speed.
john h
mkIII < 1314 .JPG>< 1303 .JPG>
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________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________
Time: 10:22:43 AM PST US
From: "Richard Girard" <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re: 100LL use in rotax 503?
Hey guys, I have a well for my drinking water. Somebodies spills a quantity
of any petroleum product and it gets in the aquifer and I'm screwed. So
yeah, dig it up and take it elsewhere. And now back to the Kolb show,
already in progress.
Rick
Government of the people, by the people, and for the people. You wanna
criticize the government? Look in the mirror.
do not archive
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> wrote:
| Quote: |
At 07:58 AM 9/23/2008, robert bean wrote:
>
> disposed of? in other words they dig it up and move it to another
> spot..-problem solved?.... no
> transplanted maybe. How many of us have gotten a good mouthful of
> the old leaded stuff
> trying to prime a gas transfer?
>
I didn't say it made sense...
-Dana
do not archive
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I'm as confused as a baby in a topless bar.
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________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________
Time: 11:47:42 AM PST US
From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mark III performance
Kolb doesn't publish a POH for any of their planes. This is very common with
experimentals. Every plane is built differently so a POH would be
meaningless. Sorry but that's the way it is.
VNE is published as 100MPH for this plane but that is about it. Cruise
speeds range from 50-80 MPH for this plane but this is all dependant on
engines and accuracy/installation of the airspeed indicator.
We weren't ignoring you we just don't have what you wanted. It is always
best to tell us about yourself and your plane so that we can help you
better. We are not in any way part of the Kolb factory.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
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