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 Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 4:22 am Post subject: Firefly |
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Listers , As you might know I am building a Firefly and asked about the 447 and dual ignition. Now I have another question. Any listers out there that are flying a Firefly and have been overhauled or ramp checked by the FAA ? I know that TNK has gone a long way to be sure the firefly fits into Pt. 103 but I wonder what happens in an FAA ramp check? And if anyone has had one did you pass? Thank you Chris
Firestar KXP 503 sc
490 hrs
building a Firefly ?? 447
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Steve Boetto
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| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 4:38 am Post subject: Firefly |
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I had a minor Krinkydink a few years ago and the local FAA Dude showed up the next morning. He looked at a photo he had downloaded and looked at the Firefly and said "Well it's an Ultralight,SeeYa.
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dated 10/9/2008 8:23:16 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, capedavis(at)yahoo.com writes:
| Quote: | Listers , As you might know I am building a Firefly and asked about the 447 and dual ignition. Now I have another question. Any listers out there that are flying a Firefly and have been overhauled or ramp checked by the FAA ? I know that TNK has gone a long way to be sure the firefly fits into Pt. 103 but I wonder what happens in an FAA ramp check? And if anyone has had one did you pass? Thank you Chris
Firestar KXP 503 sc
490 hrs
building a Firefly ?? 447
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Ricochet
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| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 8:52 am Post subject: Firefly |
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..well, if you're concerned about weight, as some have noted, haven't seen the ramp-checkers walking around with scales, but that's not to say they couldn't.
Jerry aka Ricochet
On Oct 9, 2008, at 5:22 AM, chris davis wrote:
| Quote: | Listers , As you might know I am building a Firefly and asked about the 447 and dual ignition. Now I have another question. Any listers out there that are flying a Firefly and have been overhauled or ramp checked by the FAA ? I know that TNK has gone a long way to be sure the firefly fits into Pt. 103 but I wonder what happens in an FAA ramp check? And if anyone has had one did you pass? Thank you Chris
Firestar KXP 503 sc
490 hrs
building a Firefly ?? 447
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herbgh(at)nctc.com
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| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:03 am Post subject: Firefly |
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Just about the only thing that has a "sore thumb" appearance would be something other than a 5 gal fuel tank..imho.
An out of date BRS with the chute removed would give one abt 15 to 18 lbs on the margin!  Herb
At 11:52 AM 10/9/2008, you wrote:
[quote]...well, if you're concerned about weight, as some have noted, haven't seen the ramp-checkers walking around with scales, but that's not to say they couldn't.
Jerry aka Ricochet
On Oct 9, 2008, at 5:22 AM, chris davis wrote:
| Quote: | Listers , As you might know I am building a Firefly and asked about the 447 and dual ignition. Now I have another question. Any listers out there that are flying a Firefly and have been overhauled or ramp checked by the FAA ? I know that TNK has gone a long way to be sure the firefly fits into Pt. 103 but I wonder what happens in an FAA ramp check? And if anyone has had one did you pass? Thank you Chris
Firestar KXP 503 sc
490 hrs
building a Firefly ?? 447
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capedavis(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:40 am Post subject: Firefly |
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Herb ,Thanks for your responce , but what I wanted to know was if you were ramp checked and what the procedure was as the attitude of the Faa agent , Was he or she familiar with the model and what the pt.103 qualifications I know that before the Sport Pilot came out I was checked with my 30 lbs fat KXP and all the Faa agent said was" this looks like a serious little aircraft" "did you build it I said yes and he said "good job" end of ramp check. Chris
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herbgh(at)nctc.com
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| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:07 am Post subject: Firefly |
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Chris
If the plane is on the ground...then there might be some need
for the faa to prove that it was flown and by whom? Lots of hanger
Queens around...
I have a Firefly that is heavy...never been checked.. fly from my
own strip... Herb
ps I have said this for years.....the faa knew what they were doing
with pt 103...they knew that the rule would be violated soon and
often... But; it keeps the wt and fuel to reasonable limits
based on the principle of " FU" fear and uncertainty.
At 12:40 PM 10/9/2008, you wrote:
[quote]Herb ,Thanks for your responce , but what I wanted to know was if
you were ramp checked and what the procedure was as the attitude of
the Faa agent , Was he or she familiar with the model and what the
pt.103 qualifications I know that before the Sport Pilot came out I
was checked with my 30 lbs fat KXP and all the Faa agent said was"
this looks like a serious little aircraft" "did you build it I said
yes and he said "good job" end of ramp check. Chris
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mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co
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| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:15 pm Post subject: Firefly |
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Chris,
It's been my experience, and pretty much most everyone else's, evidently, that IF you LOOK
like a legal ultralight (single seat, 5 gal., ~254 lbs.) the FAA just about doesn't care.
They do care if you buzz the White House, interfear with legal FAA traffic, drop stuff onto
people down below, piss off some airport manager...and he reports you and demands blood.
It's only when you call extreme attention (negatively) to yourself that you would likely bring their
wrath down upon you.
It almost sad, but the "ultralight" is of so little concern to most FAA employees, that I'd bet
few of them know exactly the rules and parameters of a true Part 103 Ultralight, without
having to look it up. I've heard several times the comment....."If it looks like an ultralight,
then it IS an ultralight."
Now, don't misinterpret my words to say a fat (15+lbs or more) ultralight is okay. I'm not
sugggesting we ignor the rules. I'm only suggesting that if your UL is a couple pounds over,
and you NEVER do anything wrong, you'd probably have virtually nothing to worry about.
Let's face it, it's easy for the FAA guys to hang around the FSDO and drink coffee and eat donuts,
than it is to go out sweatin' about some pour little pilot wannabe and his toy (their attitude NOT mine).
That's my take on the subject. Of course, there can always be an exception.
(Keep in mind everyone has different experiences with how and where their UL's are flown. I'm
used to litlle podunk airports, that lead to other little podunk airport, and grassy fields, etc. Some
may have an entirely different exposure. FWIW...don't worry...be happy!!)
Mike Welch
MkIII CX
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 05:22:12 -0700
From: capedavis(at)yahoo.com
Subject: Firefly
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Listers , As you might know I am building a Firefly and asked about the 447 and dual ignition. Now I have another question. Any listers out there that are flying a Firefly and have been overhauled or ramp checked by the FAA ? I know that TNK has gone a long way to be sure the firefly fits into Pt. 103 but I wonder what happens in an FAA ramp check? And if anyone has had one did you pass? Thank you Chris
Firestar KXP 503 sc
490 hrs
building a Firefly ?? 447
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capedavis(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 8:32 am Post subject: Firefly |
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From: chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com>
To: mikewelchkolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 12:24:53 PM
Subject: Fw: Kolb-List: Firefly
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From: chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com>
To: mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 12:22:01 PM
Subject: Re: Firefly
Mike ,Thanks for the response , your experience has been about the same as mine ,I flew for 10 years but it was before the "sport pilot " came into being ! I was just wondering if the FAA had changed its attitude sense the Sport pilot , and aircraft came about , we were all expecting an increase in weight and speed etc. The reason I built a KXP with a 503 was the people at Kolb showed me what it could do and they told me that" maybe "we would get that increase.I was trying to find out if the FAA is saying to themselves" we gave them the weight and speed with the sport pilot, so they should be more exact on part 103" So thank you for your input . Chris
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Dana
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:12 am Post subject: Firefly |
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At 12:28 PM 10/10/2008, chris davis wrote:
| Quote: | ...I was trying to find out if the FAA is saying to themselves" we gave
them the weight and speed with the sport pilot, so they should be more
exact on part 103"...
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At the airport where I used to fly (sold to a developer two years ago,
grrrr.) there was a LOT of ultralight activity, both legal and
"fat". Airplanes, PPC's, PPG's, a gyro, R/Cers, you name it... it could
get pretty crazy at times. The rumor (from a supposedly knowledgeable
source) that once the registration deadline was pased, the FAA would take
"potshots", descending in force on a particular airport and inspecting
every ultralight they found. The idea was that they would be making a few
examples and scaring everybody else. Due to our reputation we expected
ours to be one of the first, but of course we're not there any more.
Since then, I haven't heard of it happening anywhere else. I don't know if
the information was wrong, or if they just didn't have the staff, or what.
-Dana
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