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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:32 am    Post subject: Model IV pre-formed windshield Reply with quote

I am wondering what kind of luck people are having with the Model IV pre-formed windshield. Specifically scratch resistance, crazing and cracking.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:03 am    Post subject: Model IV pre-formed windshield Reply with quote

Never got a chance to try mine out C the guy I bought my kit from had bought the preformed windshield in 1994 when he bought the kit.  Paid about $350 for it also.  After I had the butt and center ribs on the fusaloge C I took the windshield and set it up in place.  I walke around  the plane and lifted up the font corner of the windshield about an inch to move it just a bit and I heard a little snap.  No real pressure on it it or anything C but it had cracked right where it makes the sharpest bend.  What a waste of money.  It had sat in the big box it came in C maybe it was brittle because of it's age C I don't know.  So far I have cut some pieces out of it and heat formed some wingtip light lens caps.  It seems to work for that.  I would just get the lexan if it was me and make my own windshield.  Jim Chuk  Kitfox 4 building.  Mn

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:03 pm    Post subject: Model IV pre-formed windshield Reply with quote

I have had the preformed windshield on my Speedster for three years. I have not had any cracks, scratchs, or crazing with it.

Floran Higgins
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 1:05 pm    Post subject: Model IV pre-formed windshield Reply with quote

I have had the LP Aeroplastic preformed windshield/skylight in my
Speedster for 2 1/2 years with nary a problem.

Lynn Matteson
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Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs, temporarily grounded as one-half of ignition
system is in for a "medical checkup"

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[quote] I have had the preformed windshield on my Speedster for three
years. I have not had any cracks, scratchs, or crazing with it.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 2:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Model IV pre-formed windshield Reply with quote

Called about a 4x8 sheet today and it was $213 until the next shipment when it will go up again. The preformed is going to cost about $500 to buy and get here. I have replaced three of the non-preformed ones in the last 1.5 years and it is growing old. The first one broke after being on for several months but never flown. It was the old rhino 0.125 that came with the kit in the 90s. The next two were plexiglass not lexan so I guess I was asking for it with those. I want something that will last a long time and look nice.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 2:37 pm    Post subject: Model IV pre-formed windshield Reply with quote

I also purchased an LP Aero windscreen thru John McBean and as I was drilling the main holes through the cabin uprights it cracked from the hole towards the centre of the windscreen. I was using the supplied special drills and used some really choice adjectives when it cracked!

Crazy thing was that from the centre of the hole to the outside of the windscreen was only about 1/4" yet it cracked back thru the centre of the windscreen.

I called LP Aero and with John's help they were pretty good about it and sent me another one for only a couple hundred bucks.

As I was planning a trip I was able to get a sheet of lexan and had a new one made up in about 3 hrs - the new LP Aero It is still in the box!

I intend to fit it as they look great but I just need to get my confidence back - Lynn when you get a chance perhaps you could let me know how you went about fitting yours?

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I have had the LP Aeroplastic preformed windshield/skylight in my
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> I have had the preformed windshield on my Speedster for three
> years. I have not had any cracks, scratchs, or crazing with it.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 2:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Model IV pre-formed windshield Reply with quote

What Chemistry is the LP Aero? Does it have to be trimmed at the edges?

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 3:26 pm    Post subject: Model IV pre-formed windshield Reply with quote

It has to be trimmed to size and it is formed from Acrylic . It is hard and quite brittle but once fitted correctly is optically clear and distortion free.

Minor scratches that develop can be polished out so this is quite a benefit.

Mine is also tinted - damn I'm going to have to fit it now!

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:50 pm    Post subject: Model IV pre-formed windshield Reply with quote

Check with a local comercial glass installer and see if they can get it for you on one of their shipments.  Probably get it for a good bit less.  Also C if you can get it in 4X10 you will have enough for the next time you want to change it also.  Jim Chuk  Kitfox 4 building  Mn

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Called about a 4x8 sheet today and it was $213 until the next shipment when it will go up again. The preformed is going to cost about $500 to buy and get here. I have replaced three of the non-preformed ones in the last 1.5 years and it is growing old. The first one broke after being on for several months but never flown. It was the old rhino 0.125 that came with the kit in the 90s. The next two were plexiglass not lexan so I guess I was asking for it with those. I want something that will last a long time and look nice.

Anyone else??

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:47 am    Post subject: Model IV pre-formed windshield Reply with quote

I picked mine up at their factory on my way home from Sun 'n' Fun in
2005 to save the cost of shipping...it was only a few hundred miles
out of the way.

I was afraid at first of handling the thing, because they really warn
you to have help. At first I did, but once it was placed on the
plane, I moved it around enough to trim the sides and rear with no
help. I used a Dremel tool with an abrasive disk to do the cutting,
then smoothed the edges to a radius with files and sandpaper. I used
the LP Aeroplastic drills, going the recommended oversize to allow
for expansion. I have drills in 1/8", 3/16", and 1/4"...but I just
don't recall what size I used. I'm pretty sure it was a 10-32 screw I
used, which was probably overkill...I'll check later on the size. And
if I DID use 10-32, then I must've drilled with the 1/4" drill.
(memory is a terrible thing to lose) I chamfered and smoothed every
hole. I used the LP A foam tape wherever the windshield contacted the
aircraft. I did the same thing when fitting the turtledeck bubble to
the turtledeck frame, but used much smaller screws.

I'm surprised that you had cracking, Gary, especially toward the inside.

Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs, temporarily grounded as one-half of ignition
system is in for a "medical checkup"

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[quote]
I also purchased an LP Aero windscreen thru John McBean and as I
was drilling the main holes through the cabin uprights it cracked
from the hole towards the centre of the windscreen. I was using the
supplied special drills and used some really choice adjectives when
it cracked!

Crazy thing was that from the centre of the hole to the outside of
the windscreen was only about 1/4" yet it cracked back thru the
centre of the windscreen.

I called LP Aero and with John's help they were pretty good about
it and sent me another one for only a couple hundred bucks.

As I was planning a trip I was able to get a sheet of lexan and
had a new one made up in about 3 hrs - the new LP Aero It is still
in the box!

I intend to fit it as they look great but I just need to get my
confidence back - Lynn when you get a chance perhaps you could let
me know how you went about fitting yours?

Gary

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I have had the LP Aeroplastic preformed windshield/skylight in my
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Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
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On Oct 9, 2008, at 3:58 PM, floran higgins wrote:

> I have had the preformed windshield on my Speedster for three
> years. I have not had any cracks, scratchs, or crazing with it.
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> Speedster
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:27 am    Post subject: Re: Model IV pre-formed windshield Reply with quote

Lynn,

Does that foam tape have adhesive single or double sided?
Also how thick is the LP Windshield?


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:41 am    Post subject: Model IV pre-formed windshield Reply with quote

I have a mod 2 w/ Lexine it is starting to crack /craze? around the top outside edge neer the sharpest bend my a-n-p suggested a dab of acetone to stop the cracks? but there is at least 30 of them on each side.the Lexine is at least 8 years old and still looks very good probably because of the way I clean it. any suggestions on how to keep the cracks from getting any worse? Malcolm Michigan

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Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Model IV pre-formed windshield
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Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 11:25 PM


It has to be trimmed to size and it is formed from Acrylic . It is hard and quite brittle but once fitted correctly is optically clear and distortion free.

Minor scratches that develop can be polished out so this is quite a benefit.

Mine is also tinted - damn I'm going to have to fit it now!

Gary Algate
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What Chemistry is the LP Aero? Does it have to be trimmed at the edges?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:47 am    Post subject: Model IV pre-formed windshield Reply with quote

Drill a small hole at the very end of any crack, it will not progress from there. I have the same problem with a windscreen that needs to be replaced - my cracks were large enough that I needed to cover them with prop tape as well.

Bob Brennan - N717GB 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
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I have a mod 2 w/ Lexine it is starting to crack /craze? around the top outside edge neer the sharpest bend my a-n-p suggested a dab of acetone to stop the cracks? but there is at least 30 of them on each side.the Lexine is at least 8 years old and still looks very good probably because of the way I clean it. any suggestions on how to keep the cracks from getting any worse? Malcolm Michigan

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Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 11:25 PM


It has to be trimmed to size and it is formed from Acrylic . It is hard and quite brittle but once fitted correctly is optically clear and distortion free.

Minor scratches that develop can be polished out so this is quite a benefit.

Mine is also tinted - damn I'm going to have to fit it now!

Gary Algate
Classic 4 Jabiru 2200
Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
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What Chemistry is the LP Aero? Does it have to be trimmed at the edges?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:23 am    Post subject: Model IV pre-formed windshield Reply with quote

Not that I'm an expert or anything C but I would recomend that you get a sheet of lexan and pull the old one C
use it for a pattern C and in about 3 hrs or so C you will have a nice new one.  That's what I did on both of my Avids.
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Drill a small hole at the very end of any crack C it will not progress from there. I have the same problem with a windscreen that needs to be replaced - my cracks were large enough that I needed to cover them with prop tape as well.
 
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I have a mod 2 w/ Lexine it is starting to crack /craze?  around the top outside edge neer the sharpest  bend my a-n-p  suggested a dab of acetone  to stop the cracks? but there is at least 30 of them on each side.the Lexine is at least 8 years old  and still looks very good probably because of the way I clean it.   any suggestions on how to keep the cracks from getting any worse?   Malcolm Michigan

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It has to be trimmed to size and it is formed from Acrylic . It is hard and quite brittle but once fitted correctly is optically clear and distortion free.

Minor scratches that develop can be polished out so this is quite a benefit.

Mine is also tinted - damn I'm going to have to fit it now!

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What Chemistry is the LP Aero? Does it have to be trimmed at the edges?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:24 am    Post subject: Re: Model IV pre-formed windshield Reply with quote

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I have a mod 2 w/ Lexine it is starting to crack /craze? around the top outside edge neer the sharpest bend my a-n-p suggested a dab of acetone to stop the cracks? but there is at least 30 of them on each side.the Lexine is at least 8 years old and still looks very good probably because of the way I clean it. any suggestions on how to keep the cracks from getting any worse? Malcolm Michigan


Malcolm, I would test the acetone on a scrap piece of lexan first. I have heard that gasoline splashed on lexan will cause it to crack. One theory is because the rapid evaporation causes it to cool too fast in a concentrated area.

It took me 4 hours to replace my lexan windshield. Sounds like the lexan price has gone up considerable in the eight years since then.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:25 am    Post subject: Model IV pre-formed windshield Reply with quote

The tape I have is 1 1/4" wide x 1/16" x 25', very closed cell, and
single adhesive. It almost can't be called "foam" because it is so
non-foam looking, but it is very soft to the fingernail test.
I seem to recall that it is .115" to .125" thick...I just threw out
the trimmings...damn!...after 2 and a half years, but I'm headed for
the hangar now, and if need be I'll let you know.

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system is in for a "medical checkup"

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Does that foam tape have adhesive single or double sided?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:29 pm    Post subject: Model IV pre-formed windshield Reply with quote

To follow up....the windshield is .118" thick, and I used 10-32 truss-
head machine screws, because the heads are a bit larger, and
flatter...a bit like button head screws. I spaced mine about 2.2"
apart across the rear, and about 1.9" apart along the sides.

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Does that foam tape have adhesive single or double sided?
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