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partner14

Joined: 12 Jan 2008
Posts: 540
Location: Granbury Texas

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:28 pm Post subject: Rear Heat Duct (Scat Tube) - SOLUTION

OK, guys, this is Don, the harness and headset bracket guy.... anyone interested in the perfect solution to this problem.  My brother is designing and then will make a plenim type system that will slip right over the fuel selector valve on both sides, then convert back to the 2" round to match up to the scat tubing.  The total area will be slightly more than the original scat.... not counting if you do it like Van's suggest, and smash it.  A little rubber on the bottom and top, and it will be held perfectly in place.  Just let me know how many would be interested.  Will have pictures of a completed part within a week or so.

 Don



--- On Wed, 10/8/08, AirMike <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net> wrote:



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		  From: AirMike <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>

Subject: Re: Rear Heat Duct (Scat Tube)

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 9:49 AM



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		  --> RV10-List message posted by: "AirMike"

<Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>



I wound up taking Aaron's suggestion and routing the line under the fuel

valve. Worried about chafe, and took some measure to prevent it. Thanks again to

all the great suggestions. I do not think that I could get through this project

without this web site. Remember Matt when it is time for his annual donation.



--------

OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in &quot;09

Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF





Read this topic online here:



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Don A. McDonald
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rickbarnes(at)highlandden
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 1:06 pm Post subject: Rear Heat Duct (Scat Tube) - SOLUTION

We’re with Tim.  If you wrap the tube with a thin heat barrier type fabric you can run it anywhere in the tunnel.  We’re using a product from http://www.chapmaninnovations.com/.  You can use the product on the firewall too.  

   

Rick  

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McDonald

 Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 2:27 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Re: Rear Heat Duct (Scat Tube) - SOLUTION  

  

              

OK, guys, this is Don, the harness and headset   bracket guy.... anyone interested in the perfect solution to this   problem.  My brother is designing and then will make a plenim type   system that will slip right over the fuel selector valve on both sides, then   convert back to the 2" round to match up to the scat tubing.  The   total area will be slightly more than the original scat.... not counting if   you do it like Van's suggest, and smash it.  A little rubber on the   bottom and top, and it will be held perfectly in place.  Just let me   know how many would be interested.  Will have pictures of a completed   part within a week or so.   

      

Don

   

   --- On Wed, 10/8/08, AirMike <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>   wrote:   

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   Subject: Re: Rear Heat Duct (Scat Tube)

   To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

   Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 9:49 AM    	  Quote: 	
		  --> RV10-List message posted by: "AirMike"<Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net> I wound up taking Aaron's suggestion and routing the line under the fuelvalve. Worried about chafe, and took some measure to prevent it. Thanks again toall the great suggestions. I do not think that I could get through this projectwithout this web site. Remember Matt when it is time for his annual donation. --------OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in &quot;09<Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net> 	
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AV8ORJWC

Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 1149
Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:37 pm Post subject: Rear Heat Duct (Scat Tube) - SOLUTION

Cox is in for Two Sets.  

   

John Cox - #40600  

     

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McDonald

 Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 1:27 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Re: Rear Heat Duct (Scat Tube) - SOLUTION  

  

              

OK, guys, this is Don, the harness and headset bracket   guy.... anyone interested in the perfect solution to this problem.  My   brother is designing and then will make a plenim type system that will slip   right over the fuel selector valve on both sides, then convert back to the   2" round to match up to the scat tubing.  The total area will be   slightly more than the original scat.... not counting if you do it like Van's   suggest, and smash it.  A little rubber on the bottom and top, and it   will be held perfectly in place.  Just let me know how many would be   interested.  Will have pictures of a completed part within a week or so.   

      

Don

   

   --- On Wed, 10/8/08, AirMike <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>   wrote:   

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   Subject: Re: Rear Heat Duct (Scat Tube)

   To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

   Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 9:49 AM    	  Quote: 	
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patrick.pulis(at)seagas.c
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 3:51 pm Post subject: Rear Heat Duct (Scat Tube) - SOLUTION

fixitauto(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:28 pm Post subject: Rear Heat Duct (Scat Tube) - SOLUTION

I would like one also.

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Kelly McMullen

Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 1188
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:57 pm Post subject: Rear Heat Duct (Scat Tube) - SOLUTION

I'll take one.

Kelly



On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   OK, guys, this is Don, the harness and headset bracket guy.... anyone

 interested in the perfect solution to this problem.  My brother is designing

 and then will make a plenim type system that will slip right over the fuel

 selector valve on both sides, then convert back to the 2" round to match up

 to the scat tubing.  The total area will be slightly more than the original

 scat.... not counting if you do it like Van's suggest, and smash it.  A

 little rubber on the bottom and top, and it will be held perfectly in

 place.  Just let me know how many would be interested.  Will have pictures

 of a completed part within a week or so.

 Don



 --- On Wed, 10/8/08, AirMike <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net> wrote:



 From: AirMike <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>

 Subject: Re: Rear Heat Duct (Scat Tube)

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 9:49 AM



 

 <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>



 I wound up taking Aaron's suggestion and routing the line under the fuel

 valve. Worried about chafe, and took some measure to prevent it. Thanks

 again to

 all the great suggestions. I do not think that I could get through this

 project

 without this web site. Remember Matt when it is time for his annual

 donation.



 --------

 OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in &quot;09

 Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF





 Read this topic online here:



 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7912#207912

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Kelly McMullen
A&P/IA, EAA Tech Counselor
KCHD

johngoodman

Joined: 18 Sep 2006
Posts: 530
Location: GA

Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 4:50 am Post subject: Re: Rear Heat Duct (Scat Tube) - SOLUTION

Don,

Count me in for one as well. I've been trying to fabricate something like that for the past few days and keep running into problems with materials.



John

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#40572 Phase One complete in 2011

davidbowman1(at)verizon.n
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Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:38 am Post subject: Rear Heat Duct (Scat Tube) - SOLUTION

I'm in for one

 Bowman-40831

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DLIUDVINAITIS(at)aol.com
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Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:30 am Post subject: Rear Heat Duct (Scat Tube) - SOLUTION

count me in for one

 DLUDD  #40466

  

  In a message dated 10/9/2008 12:40:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  davidbowman1(at)verizon.net writes:

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ron.mcgann(at)baesystems.
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Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 1:32 pm Post subject: Rear Heat Duct (Scat Tube) - SOLUTION

Don - I'm interested too but will wait for  pictures.

  

 cheers,

 Ron

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 [quote]         From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com    [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don    McDonald

Sent: Thursday, 9 October 2008 6:57 AM

To:    rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Re: Rear Heat Duct    (Scat Tube) - SOLUTION

   

                             OK, guys, this is Don, the harness and headset bracket guy....          anyone interested in the perfect solution to this problem.  My          brother is designing and then will make a plenim type system that will          slip right over the fuel selector valve on both sides, then convert back          to the 2" round to match up to the scat tubing.  The total area          will be slightly more than the original scat.... not counting if you do          it like Van's suggest, and smash it.  A little rubber on the bottom          and top, and it will be held perfectly in place.  Just let me know          how many would be interested.  Will have pictures of a completed          part within a week or so.

         Don



--- On Wed, 10/8/08, AirMike          <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net> wrote:



          	  Quote: 	
		  From:            AirMike <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>

Subject: Re: Rear            Heat Duct (Scat Tube)

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Date:            Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 9:49 AM



 	  Quote: 	
		  --> RV10-List message posted by: "AirMike"

<Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>



I wound up taking Aaron's suggestion and routing the line under the fuel

valve. Worried about chafe, and took some measure to prevent it. Thanks again to

all the great suggestions. I do not think that I could get through this project

without this web site. Remember Matt when it is time for his annual donation.



--------

OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in &quot;09

Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF





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Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:54 am Post subject: Rear Heat Duct (Scat Tube) - SOLUTION

 Am interested too but would like to see pictures.  

Wayne  

F1 Rocket 290 hrs  

SARL Racer 14  

     

  Checked by AVG.

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partner14

Joined: 12 Jan 2008
Posts: 540
Location: Granbury Texas

Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:45 am Post subject: Rear Heat Duct (Scat Tube) - SOLUTION

OK Wayne, pictures it is.... when we get er done.  Unfortunetely, there's no easy way to make this one.... welding necessary.  But I'll guarantee that it'll look cool and work perfectly.

 As an F1 pilot, thought you might like this photo of my project.  (scoop)

  

 Don McDonald

 #40636

 Finishing the finishing



--- On Fri, 10/10/08, Wayne Hadath <whadath(at)rogers.com> wrote:



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		  From: Wayne Hadath <whadath(at)rogers.com>

Subject: Re: Rear Heat Duct (Scat Tube) - SOLUTION

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 4:52 AM



       

 Am interested too but would like to see pictures.

 

Wayne

 

F1 Rocket 290 hrs

 

SARL Racer 14

Checked by AVG.

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Don A. McDonald
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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 8:06 am Post subject: Rear Heat Duct (Scat Tube) - SOLUTION

Do you have any idea of what it will cost.  I would definitely be interested.  Will it be aluminum or stainless?



do not archive



 Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)

Cell: 352-427-0285

Fax: 815-377-3694



 



On Oct 10, 2008, at 11:43 AM, Don McDonald wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  OK Wayne, pictures it is.... when we get er done.  Unfortunetely, there's no easy way to make this one.... welding necessary.  But I'll guarantee that it'll look cool and work perfectly.

As an F1 pilot, thought you might like this photo of my project.  (scoop)

 

Don McDonald

#40636

Finishing the finishing



--- On Fri, 10/10/08, Wayne Hadath <whadath(at)rogers.com (whadath(at)rogers.com)> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  From: Wayne Hadath <whadath(at)rogers.com (whadath(at)rogers.com)>

Subject: Re: Rear Heat Duct (Scat Tube) - SOLUTION

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)

Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 4:52 AM

 Am interested too but would like to see pictures.



Wayne



F1 Rocket 290 hrs

SARL Racer 14

Checked by AVG.

08/10/2008 7:01 AM

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partner14

Joined: 12 Jan 2008
Posts: 540
Location: Granbury Texas

Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:33 am Post subject: Rear Heat Duct (Scat Tube) - SOLUTION

Cost is a good question.... just like the other brackets I offered up to all the guys building, the idea is to provide them, not make a living.  Because of the welding involved, at shop rate, and of course, depending on how many we make, the cost could be $150 for one... but since that one would be mine, it would be free!!!  My brothers company has some of the best welders in the country, and they have built many parts used by Lockeed, Aerojet, etc, even parts that have been to the moon.

 Hopefully, we can keep the PRICE low enough to make it worthwhile for everyone.  Notice, I didn't say cost....

 I'll try and get them to produce 20 of them and I'll guess and say the price would then be below $50.

 Will keep everyone informed.

 Aluminum, will be the material.

 Don  

 



--- On Fri, 10/10/08, Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> wrote:



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		  From: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com>

Subject: Re: Re: Rear Heat Duct (Scat Tube) - SOLUTION

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 9:06 AM



 Do you have any idea of what it will cost.  I would definitely be interested.  Will it be aluminum or stainless? 



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   Jesse Saint

 Saint Aviation, Inc.

 jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)

 Cell: 352-427-0285

 Fax: 815-377-3694



  On Oct 10, 2008, at 11:43 AM, Don McDonald wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		        OK Wayne, pictures it is.... when we get er done.  Unfortunetely, there's no easy way to make this one.... welding necessary.  But I'll guarantee that it'll look cool and work perfectly.

 As an F1 pilot, thought you might like this photo of my project.  (scoop)

  

 Don McDonald

 #40636

 Finishing the finishing



--- On Fri, 10/10/08, Wayne Hadath <whadath(at)rogers.com (whadath(at)rogers.com)> wrote:



  	  Quote: 	
		  From: Wayne Hadath <whadath(at)rogers.com (whadath(at)rogers.com)>

Subject: Re: Rear Heat Duct (Scat Tube) - SOLUTION

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)

Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 4:52 AM



   

 Am interested too but would like to see pictures.



 

Wayne



 

F1 Rocket 290 hrs

 

SARL Racer 14

Checked by AVG.

08/10/2008 7:01 AM



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partner14

Joined: 12 Jan 2008
Posts: 540
Location: Granbury Texas

Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:16 pm Post subject: Re: Rear Heat Duct (Scat Tube) - SOLUTION

OK guys here it is.  Still not sure of the cost/price.  It has about 40 minutes of welding, not counting any time for shearing, and the brake work.  Definitely over $50, but certainly under $100.  We'll do the best we can..promise.. but boy is that a nice piece!

If we get one done, I'll bring it to Copperstate.

Don McDonald



If interested make sure I get your mailing address.

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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:50 pm Post subject: Rear Heat Duct (Scat Tube) - SOLUTION

Whew, that much welding and throwing in bending for under $100 out the door!?!  I need to get me some of the fabricators you have access to for that price!



Michael

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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 6:12 pm Post subject: Rear Heat Duct (Scat Tube) - SOLUTION

Nice piece Don, 



The price is smokin if anyone knows what this type of work costs...I can't use it though, I used the standard Andair mounted to the top of the tunnel with braided lines run to one side of the tunnel and the scat run to the other side. If it is designed to use the standard Vans CRAPPO valve, (I know some love that boiler equipment) or the Andair with the handle extension it looks like the way to go...



Rick Sked

40185



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ricksked(at)embarqmail.co
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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 6:18 pm Post subject: Rear Heat Duct (Scat Tube) - SOLUTION

Ummm... yeah...how much do those 12 year old welders get an hour?

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 6:46 pm Post subject: Rear Heat Duct (Scat Tube) - SOLUTION

Do you have a drawing showing how the fuel valve fits into the picture?

Does this require the Andair valve or the standard valve or either?

If it's the andair valve, I can see that the stem fits through the hole

and I think with some shielding you can keep the heat off the valve,

BUT you're probably going to want to wrap the whole plenum in the

reflective insulation.  If it's for the standard valve I can't see

exactly how the heat is kept away.  I found a significant amount of

heat is spread to the seat area through the tunnel when the rear

heat was turned on...and that it was significantly lessened once I

wrapped completely my SCAT tubing and the aluminum T's with the

reflective insulation.  So having an aluminum plenum might make it

easy to direct airflow, but it may become a very large heat box

to heat the fuel valve and tunnel unless the builder takes the

precaution to insulate the plenum.



I know personally that the whole tunnel top will get pretty warm

with the rear heat on with an uninsulated SCAT tube.  I also know

that from talking to a couple other builders with lots of hours

on their planes like I have, that during extended climbs there is

some sort of issue going on with the fuel system...probably vapor

in the system, that causes reduced fuel pressure.  Climbs of

maybe 6000' or more.  I haven't figured out if this is on the

forward side of the firewall, or the aft, but keeping the entire

fuel system as cool as possible is an important thing.  Just would

like to get an idea how this fits around the valve, to know if

it has any need for added heat shielding.

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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 OK guys here it is.  Still not sure of the cost/price.  It has about

 40 minutes of welding, not counting any time for shearing, and the

 brake work.  Definitely over $50, but certainly under $100.  We'll do

 the best we can..promise.. but boy is that a nice piece! If we get

 one done, I'll bring it to Copperstate. Don McDonald

 

 If interested make sure I get your mailing address.

 

 

 and..... I'm so sorry if the file is too big.... get a bigger

 computer.  I did compress it.

 

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partner14

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Location: Granbury Texas

Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:07 pm Post subject: Rear Heat Duct (Scat Tube) - SOLUTION

Thanks Rick.



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 [quote]From: Rick Sked <ricksked(at)embarqmail.com>

Subject: Re: Re: Rear Heat Duct (Scat Tube) - SOLUTION

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 7:10 PM



[quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick Sked <ricksked(at)embarqmail.com>  Nice piece Don,   The price is smokin if anyone knows what this type of work costs...I can't use it though, I used the standard Andair mounted to the top of the tunnel with braided lines run to one side of the tunnel and the scat run to the other side. If it is designed to use the standard Vans CRAPPO valve, (I know some love that boiler equipment) or the Andair with the handle extension it looks like the way to go...  Rick Sked 40185  ---

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