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tc1917(at)bellsouth.net
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 Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:07 am Post subject: Water in gas |
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Back on line now, been in hospital for a week with pneumonia, etc. There is
something very simple you can do about this ethanol stuff. Go to Wally
World and get some Sta-Bil ethanol Treatment. Made the trip to Kentucky
with it in my RV tanks, put it in my lawn mowers, little honda scooter, BMW
road bike, and -- used it in my gas of the 912 slingshot. Been using
Sta-bil for years and years and it is great on everything. Now, this new
stuff is meant for the ehanol deal. Go on the websites about this stuff and
read it. Use it or weep later. There are also brands for Marine use which
has more water hazard than we do. This is one additive that will mix with
oil or not, dont matter. Check it out. You wont be sorry. I think it
makes the 912 start better and if you were at the factory, you KNOW it
performs. Hope this helps. Check it out!!!! Ted Cowan, Alabama Slingshot
912.
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aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:08 am Post subject: Water in gas |
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Ted, Glad to hear you're back in service, pneumonia is no fun. Good tip on the Sta-bil, thanks.
We're lucky, perhaps because of the aircraft industry here in Wichita, we've not been subject to the ethanol swindle yet. Water in fuel, or the fear of it, can still be handled by a 99 cent bottle of gas line drier.
Rick
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 6:07 AM, Ted Cowan <tc1917(at)bellsouth.net (tc1917(at)bellsouth.net)> wrote:
[quote] --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ted Cowan" <tc1917(at)bellsouth.net (tc1917(at)bellsouth.net)>
Back on line now, been in hospital for a week with pneumonia, etc. There is something very simple you can do about this ethanol stuff. Go to Wally World and get some Sta-Bil ethanol Treatment. Made the trip to Kentucky with it in my RV tanks, put it in my lawn mowers, little honda scooter, BMW road bike, and -- used it in my gas of the 912 slingshot. Been using Sta-bil for years and years and it is great on everything. Now, this new stuff is meant for the ehanol deal. Go on the websites about this stuff and read it. Use it or weep later. There are also brands for Marine use which has more water hazard than we do. This is one additive that will mix with oil or not, dont matter. Check it out. You wont be sorry. I think it makes the 912 start better and if you were at the factory, you KNOW it performs. Hope this helps. Check it out!!!! Ted Cowan, Alabama Slingshot 912.
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Dana
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:43 pm Post subject: Water in gas |
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At 10:07 AM 10/16/2008, Richard Girard wrote:
| Quote: | ...we've not been subject to the ethanol swindle yet. Water in fuel, or
the fear of it, can still be handled by a 99 cent bottle of gas line drier...
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Which is... ALCOHOL! You sure you wanna do that?
-Dana
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aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 4:10 pm Post subject: Water in gas |
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No ****. Rotax and HKS both allow 5% ethanol blended gas. 8 ounces in 1280 to 1536 ounces (depending on whether I'm flying the MkIII or the trike) is .625% and .521% respectively. I don't think it's going to hurt anything and I've watched it blend in a water drop caught in the fuel filter almost as soon as it hits the tank, so yeah, I want to do that.
Rick
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net (d-m-hague(at)comcast.net)> wrote:
[quote] --> Kolb-List message posted by: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net (d-m-hague(at)comcast.net)>
At 10:07 AM 10/16/2008, Richard Girard wrote:
| Quote: | ..we've not been subject to the ethanol swindle yet. Water in fuel, or the fear of it, can still be handled by a 99 cent bottle of gas line drier...
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Which is... ALCOHOL! You sure you wanna do that?
-Dana
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russ(at)rkiphoto.com
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 4:18 pm Post subject: Water in gas |
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As I understand it, Sta-Bil will do this too, and has other good qualities. Anyone know for sure?
On Oct 16, 2008, at 8:10 PM, Richard Girard wrote:
[quote]No ****. Rotax and HKS both allow 5% ethanol blended gas. 8 ounces in 1280 to 1536 ounces (depending on whether I'm flying the MkIII or the trike) is .625% and .521% respectively. I don't think it's going to hurt anything and I've watched it blend in a water drop caught in the fuel filter almost as soon as it hits the tank, so yeah, I want to do that.
Rick
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Dana
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 4:33 pm Post subject: Water in gas |
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At 08:10 PM 10/16/2008, Richard Girard wrote:
| Quote: | No ****. Rotax and HKS both allow 5% ethanol blended gas. 8 ounces in 1280
to 1536 ounces (depending on whether I'm flying the MkIII or the trike) is
.625% and .521% respectively. I don't think it's going to hurt anything
and I've watched it blend in a water drop caught in the fuel filter almost
as soon as it hits the tank, so yeah, I want to do that.
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I'm not terribly worried about ethanol, since all I can get here is 10%
ethanol gasoline, and I've had no problems other than the need for jetting
adjustments, but since the first part of the message referred to concern
about ethanol, I was pointing out that drygas IS alcohol (isopropyl, or
sometimes methyl).
-Dana
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olendorf
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:40 am Post subject: Re: Water in gas |
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I did a test. I took a 2 gallon gas can with a push in bushing connection at the bottom. Just like our tanks. I had a 1 foot piece of hose attached and the end was plugged. I added about a quart of gas to the can and made sure the fuel line was full of gas. Then I poured in 16oz of water to make sure it would cover the push in connector because it sticks up 1/4" from the bottom.
When I poured in the water it actually turned into millions of tiny water droplets and looked gel-like. At that point a bunch of these tiny drops did get into the dangling fuel line. I let it set for a few hours and the water eventually combined. Even though the fuel connector was completely under water the amount of water in the line was about 1.5". I think most of this was from the initial tiny droplets. I'm still not sure the water would have made it into the hose if it was added slowing without creating the droplets.
So although there was some water in the lowest point of the dangling fuel line I'm still not convinced. And if I drained some fuel out I would have gotten some water out but then I would have started getting gas again. At that point I still had 16oz of water left in the gas can.
I guess the thing to do is if you find any water at all then you need to keep draining until you are sure you moved enough fuel to empty the lines completely.
And no, I don't obsess over this. I haven't found any water in 10 years.
Here is a similar kind of gascolator I was thinking of putting in.
SeaDoo PWC Fuel Filter 275500088
MSRP: $21.75 Web Price: $17.35
see attached picture....
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Dana
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:18 am Post subject: Water in gas |
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At 09:40 AM 10/17/2008, olendorf wrote:
| Quote: | Here is a similar kind of gascolator I was thinking of putting in.
SeaDoo PWC Fuel Filter 275500088
MSRP: $21.75 Web Price: $17.35
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How big is that filter, and what hose size?
-Dana
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