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Lynn Matteson
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Location: Grass Lake, Michigan
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Here's the info on the Electroair direct fire ignition
(www.electroair.net) system that I installed on my Jabiru 2200 engine
in my Kitfox. First off, some history....why did I go with an after-
market ignition system instead of the stock Jabiru ignition?....I
thought there might be a better/more modern way to fire the plugs
than the old system, and I became tired of having to change rotors
after the recommended 200 hours of use. Also, I was reluctant
(stubborn) to glue the rotors on as recommended. After having found
that it was indeed necessary to glue them on, and having some success
using that method, I decided...during a rebuild of the engine...that
I would leave all the distributor components off when reassembling
the engine, and go with the Electroair direct fire system.
Electroair had begun development on a component to replace one of the
Jabiru distributors. This would retain the other distributor as the
other half of the redundant ignition system. I, being stubborn,
wanted to do away completely with the Jabiru ignition, and asked
Electroair if they would design a system that would use a trigger
wheel and two magnetic pickups, similar to their 6-cylinder engine
systems. They would do this, but I had to make my own bracket to hold
the two pickups, as they did not have access to a Jabiru engine for
designing the prototype bracket. I agreed to this and ordered the
ignition kit.
To make a long story short (and to create some drama for a possible
future magazine article), I got the system installed, and it is
working beautifully. There were some minor "growing pains" as we
sorted out some installation issues, but these are in the past, and I
am now flying with the assurance that I won't be bothered down the
road with loose rotors, loose distributor caps, leaking distributor
shaft seals, and scored shafts that I have experienced in the past.
The kit originally arrived weighing about 13 lbs, and by cutting the
harnesses and spark plug wires to a more suitable length for my
airplane, I got the weight down to about 11 lbs. I removed the Jabiru
distributors, drive gears, caps, rotors, coils, and plug wires,
totaling exactly 5 lbs. So the increase in weight for the Electroair
system was about 6 lbs...a small weight penalty for such a modern
dependable ignition system, and one that allows for future ignition
modifications as well, which I will be looking into.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 578hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system
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OK - so now how much for the Lynn Matteson version??
Gary
Gary Algate
SMC, Exploration
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net>
Here's the info on the Electroair direct fire ignition
(www.electroair.net) system that I installed on my Jabiru 2200 engine
in my Kitfox. First off, some history....why did I go with an after-
market ignition system instead of the stock Jabiru ignition?....I
thought there might be a better/more modern way to fire the plugs
than the old system, and I became tired of having to change rotors
after the recommended 200 hours of use. Also, I was reluctant
(stubborn) to glue the rotors on as recommended. After having found
that it was indeed necessary to glue them on, and having some success
using that method, I decided...during a rebuild of the engine...that
I would leave all the distributor components off when reassembling
the engine, and go with the Electroair direct fire system.
Electroair had begun development on a component to replace one of the
Jabiru distributors. This would retain the other distributor as the
other half of the redundant ignition system. I, being stubborn,
wanted to do away completely with the Jabiru ignition, and asked
Electroair if they would design a system that would use a trigger
wheel and two magnetic pickups, similar to their 6-cylinder engine
systems. They would do this, but I had to make my own bracket to hold
the two pickups, as they did not have access to a Jabiru engine for
designing the prototype bracket. I agreed to this and ordered the
ignition kit.
To make a long story short (and to create some drama for a possible
future magazine article), I got the system installed, and it is
working beautifully. There were some minor "growing pains" as we
sorted out some installation issues, but these are in the past, and I
am now flying with the assurance that I won't be bothered down the
road with loose rotors, loose distributor caps, leaking distributor
shaft seals, and scored shafts that I have experienced in the past.
The kit originally arrived weighing about 13 lbs, and by cutting the
harnesses and spark plug wires to a more suitable length for my
airplane, I got the weight down to about 11 lbs. I removed the Jabiru
distributors, drive gears, caps, rotors, coils, and plug wires,
totaling exactly 5 lbs. So the increase in weight for the Electroair
system was about 6 lbs...a small weight penalty for such a modern
dependable ignition system, and one that allows for future ignition
modifications as well, which I will be looking into.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 578hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system
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Lynn Matteson
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Location: Grass Lake, Michigan
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| Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:30 pm Post subject: Electroair direct fire ignition system in a Jabiru 2200 |
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Mine was right in the neighborhood of $1800, Gary.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 578hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system
On Oct 21, 2008, at 6:21 PM, gary.algate(at)sandvik.com wrote:
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OK - so now how much for the Lynn Matteson version??
Gary
Gary Algate
SMC, Exploration
Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
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Lynn
You must be on the West Coast otherwise it's well past your bed time.
It sounds like you've worked all of the bugs out of your ignition system are you happy now with the overall engine performance after the rebuild?
regards
Gary
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SMC, Exploration
Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
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Lynn Matteson
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:23 am Post subject: Electroair direct fire ignition system in a Jabiru 2200 |
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I'm in Michigan, Gary...the reason for the late posting time was a
late afternoon nap that left me staring at the ceiling come bedtime,
so I got up to check for computer traffic. : )
Yes, the engine is running strong now, and really rips once I push
the throttle in at take-off. Whether it's the ignition, or the fresh
engine, I can firewall the throttle and it accelerates immediately. I
was just looking for the information...I think from Jabiru...that
says to open the throttle slowly, taking over 1 second to go to WOT.
I used to have to do this but no longer...it accelerates immediately,
and pulls strongly. Hopefully it is still tight (and it is) from the
rebuild, and will gain power as it breaks in.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 578hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system
On Oct 22, 2008, at 12:48 AM, gary.algate(at)sandvik.com wrote:
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Lynn
You must be on the West Coast otherwise it's well past your bed time.
It sounds like you've worked all of the bugs out of your ignition
system are you happy now with the overall engine performance after
the rebuild?
regards
Gary
Gary Algate
SMC, Exploration
Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:40 pm Post subject: Electroair direct fire ignition system in a Jabiru 2200 |
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Good News Lynn
I still haven't done any more about verifying my prop pitch and trying the new one but will advise once I get a chance to do so
Regards
Gary
Gary Algate
SMC, Exploration
Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
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Re: Electroair direct fire ignition system in a Jabiru 2200
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net>
I'm in Michigan, Gary...the reason for the late posting time was a
late afternoon nap that left me staring at the ceiling come bedtime,
so I got up to check for computer traffic. : )
Yes, the engine is running strong now, and really rips once I push
the throttle in at take-off. Whether it's the ignition, or the fresh
engine, I can firewall the throttle and it accelerates immediately. I
was just looking for the information...I think from Jabiru...that
says to open the throttle slowly, taking over 1 second to go to WOT.
I used to have to do this but no longer...it accelerates immediately,
and pulls strongly. Hopefully it is still tight (and it is) from the
rebuild, and will gain power as it breaks in.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 578hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system
On Oct 22, 2008, at 12:48 AM, gary.algate(at)sandvik.com wrote:
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> Lynn
>
> You must be on the West Coast otherwise it's well past your bed time.
>
> It sounds like you've worked all of the bugs out of your ignition
> system are you happy now with the overall engine performance after
> the rebuild?
>
> regards
>
> Gary
>
> Gary Algate
> SMC, Exploration
> Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
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Lynn Matteson
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:35 pm Post subject: Electroair direct fire ignition system in a Jabiru 2200 |
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Thanks, Gary.
I just got back from a 1.1 hr flight which garnered just over 100
miles. Not too bad when you figure I was doing some VERY steep climbs/
attempts to stall, so I wasn't getting very many miles on the GPS
during that time. The plane seems to climb at a LOT steeper angle
now, maybe due to a fresh engine. In the spirit of the break-in
mandates, I'm not subjecting the engine to long extended climbs, just
a few short steep ones, testing the gravity feed to the carb, with
and without aux. fuel pump on. Sure is fun to see that VSI hit the
"peg" even for a brief time.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 578hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system
do not archive
On Oct 22, 2008, at 5:39 PM, gary.algate(at)sandvik.com wrote:
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Good News Lynn
I still haven't done any more about verifying my prop pitch and
trying the new one but will advise once I get a chance to do so
Regards
Gary
Gary Algate
SMC, Exploration
Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
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addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of
this message by persons or entities other than the intended
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kindly notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and delete the
message from your system. The sender does not accept liability for
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arise as a result of the e-mail transmission.
Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net>
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I'm in Michigan, Gary...the reason for the late posting time was a
late afternoon nap that left me staring at the ceiling come bedtime,
so I got up to check for computer traffic. : )
Yes, the engine is running strong now, and really rips once I push
the throttle in at take-off. Whether it's the ignition, or the fresh
engine, I can firewall the throttle and it accelerates immediately. I
was just looking for the information...I think from Jabiru...that
says to open the throttle slowly, taking over 1 second to go to WOT.
I used to have to do this but no longer...it accelerates immediately,
and pulls strongly. Hopefully it is still tight (and it is) from the
rebuild, and will gain power as it breaks in.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 578hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system
On Oct 22, 2008, at 12:48 AM, gary.algate(at)sandvik.com wrote:
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> Lynn
>
> You must be on the West Coast otherwise it's well past your bed
time.
>
> It sounds like you've worked all of the bugs out of your ignition
> system are you happy now with the overall engine performance after
> the rebuild?
>
> regards
>
> Gary
>
> Gary Algate
> SMC, Exploration
> Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:54 pm Post subject: Electroair direct fire ignition system in a Jabiru 2200 |
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Damn and here's me sitting in my office looking at the blue skies and perfectly still leaves !!!!!
I envy you
Gary
Gary Algate
SMC, Exploration
Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
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Thanks, Gary.
I just got back from a 1.1 hr flight which garnered just over 100
miles. Not too bad when you figure I was doing some VERY steep climbs/
attempts to stall, so I wasn't getting very many miles on the GPS
during that time. The plane seems to climb at a LOT steeper angle
now, maybe due to a fresh engine. In the spirit of the break-in
mandates, I'm not subjecting the engine to long extended climbs, just
a few short steep ones, testing the gravity feed to the carb, with
and without aux. fuel pump on. Sure is fun to see that VSI hit the
"peg" even for a brief time.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 578hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system
do not archive
On Oct 22, 2008, at 5:39 PM, gary.algate(at)sandvik.com wrote:
>
> Good News Lynn
>
> I still haven't done any more about verifying my prop pitch and
> trying the new one but will advise once I get a chance to do so
>
> Regards
>
> Gary
>
> Gary Algate
> SMC, Exploration
> Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
>
>
> This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the
> addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of
> this message by persons or entities other than the intended
> recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error,
> kindly notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and delete the
> message from your system. The sender does not accept liability for
> any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which may
> arise as a result of the e-mail transmission.
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> Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net>
> Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
> 22/10/2008 09:06 PM
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> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net>
>
> I'm in Michigan, Gary...the reason for the late posting time was a
> late afternoon nap that left me staring at the ceiling come bedtime,
> so I got up to check for computer traffic. : )
>
> Yes, the engine is running strong now, and really rips once I push
> the throttle in at take-off. Whether it's the ignition, or the fresh
> engine, I can firewall the throttle and it accelerates immediately. I
> was just looking for the information...I think from Jabiru...that
> says to open the throttle slowly, taking over 1 second to go to WOT.
> I used to have to do this but no longer...it accelerates immediately,
> and pulls strongly. Hopefully it is still tight (and it is) from the
> rebuild, and will gain power as it breaks in.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Jabiru 2200, 578hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
> system
>
>
>
> On Oct 22, 2008, at 12:48 AM, gary.algate(at)sandvik.com wrote:
>
> >
> > Lynn
> >
> > You must be on the West Coast otherwise it's well past your bed
> time.
> >
> > It sounds like you've worked all of the bugs out of your ignition
> > system are you happy now with the overall engine performance after
> > the rebuild?
> >
> > regards
> >
> > Gary
> >
> > Gary Algate
> > SMC, Exploration
> > Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
>
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