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Rickey B.

Joined: 22 Mar 2008
Posts: 70

Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 3:49 am Post subject: Winter Hanger "Warm Box"

Dave,

		Depending on how large the box, a 25 watt bulb should do

the trick, and I think that in a box two feet square, a 75 or 100 watt

bulb would be way too much heat. There won't be any breeze in the hangar

to alleviate the heat build up.

		Just my $0.02.

			Rick Beckman	

			Midwest Mudworks

			729 MSL and sinking

			Zodie Rocket  XL  52EB

			www.sharbo.us/thebird 



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I am about to go through my first winter in a hanger.  I have some

chemicals like cleaners, polishing compounds, etc. that have the

recommendation to not let freeze.  I would rather keep these at the

hanger instead of trying to remember to haul them back and forth from

home.  I remember hearing or reading a recommendation a while back about

building a box and putting a light bulb inside it.  The idea is that the

bulb would provide just enough heat to keep things from freezing, but

not too much to cause a fire hazard.



I am on southern Ohio where we usually do get too terribly cold, as

compared to you Wisconsin guys, but do see plenty of days below

freezing.  I was thinking of a plywood box lined with aluminum foil and

a 75 or 100 watt bulb.  Any helpful hints or suggestions on box

construction, insulation and safety concerns?  



Thanks

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David Gallagher

601 XL/Jabiru 3300

First flight 7/24/08

Phase I flight test complete 10/16/08

Al Hays

Joined: 01 Oct 2007
Posts: 42
Location: Gore, VA

Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 4:17 am Post subject: Winter Hanger "Warm Box"

Dave,



You might want to incorporate a little device called a Thermo Cube  

which looks like a regular multiple outlet adapter but has a  

thermostat in it which turns on at about 35 degree and off at about  

45 degree.  They're carried by Tractor Supply Co with SKU Number  

2170275 for about 13 bucks.  Handy for the heater pad under your  

engine too.



Al Hays

601XL N5892H reserved



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On Oct 24, 2008, at 7:49 AM, Beckman, Rick wrote:



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 <Rick.Beckman(at)atk.com>

 	Dave,

 		Depending on how large the box, a 25 watt bulb should do

 the trick, and I think that in a box two feet square, a 75 or 100 watt

 bulb would be way too much heat. There won't be any breeze in the  

 hangar

 to alleviate the heat build up.

 		Just my $0.02.

 			Rick Beckman	

 			Midwest Mudworks

 			729 MSL and sinking

 			Zodie Rocket  XL  52EB

 			www.sharbo.us/thebird



 		Do not archive.



 I am about to go through my first winter in a hanger.  I have some

 chemicals like cleaners, polishing compounds, etc. that have the

 recommendation to not let freeze.  I would rather keep these at the

 hanger instead of trying to remember to haul them back and forth from

 home.  I remember hearing or reading a recommendation a while back  

 about

 building a box and putting a light bulb inside it.  The idea is  

 that the

 bulb would provide just enough heat to keep things from freezing, but

 not too much to cause a fire hazard.



 I am on southern Ohio where we usually do get too terribly cold, as

 compared to you Wisconsin guys, but do see plenty of days below

 freezing.  I was thinking of a plywood box lined with aluminum foil  

 and

 a 75 or 100 watt bulb.  Any helpful hints or suggestions on box

 construction, insulation and safety concerns?



 Thanks

 do not archive



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 David Gallagher

 601 XL/Jabiru 3300

 First flight 7/24/08

 Phase I flight test complete 10/16/08

DaveG601XL

Joined: 27 Oct 2006
Posts: 351
Location: Cincinnati, Oh

Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 3:49 pm Post subject: Re: Winter Hanger

Thanks for the ideas.  The smallest bulb I had in the house was a 40 watt so that is what I powered my box with for now.  I will check out the thermo cube at TSC later this week.



Should get chilly here this week.

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David Gallagher
Cincinnati, OH area

kmccune

Joined: 22 Sep 2007
Posts: 577
Location: Wisconsin, USA

Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:09 pm Post subject: Re: Winter Hanger

When growing up on the farm in NW Wisconsin, we had a pump house.  There was a wind mill above that was disconnected from the well. And the electric pump was above ground, with the "house" not being insulated. My Dad made  foam insulated  box(the old white bead board type) that was about 18x24x24 inches. Dad had a 75 watt bulb in there and the bottom was the uninsulated cement. It never froze... well unless the bulb burned out, but Dad changed it every month to try to prevent this. 



Hope it helps.



Kevin

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Dorothy McCune

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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:07 am Post subject: Winter Hanger "Warm Box"

Kevin

 My Dad did the same thing for the pump house but he used two 100 watt bulb  wired in series. They were dim but they still generated enough heat to keep  the pump from freezing and they burned for years and years without being  replaced.

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notsew_evets(at)frontiern
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:55 am Post subject: Winter Hanger "Warm Box"

Speaking of 100 watt light bulbs..

  

 I have a large supply of them in my hangar.

  

 I ve been selling these on eBay and I still have more to offer.

 Most went to chicken farmers..........

  

 Instead of the $5.95/4  that people were offering I ll give them to  you guys if you need them.

 All I ask is that you pay shipping/handling....

  

 Yep, there free ...  just pay for a box and shipping costs.

  

 100 watt bulbs are on the extinct list.  Even hardware store dont sell  too many of them.....

  

 Steve

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numbskull

Joined: 05 Jul 2010
Posts: 2

Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 8:22 am Post subject: Re: Winter Hanger

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ronlee

Joined: 25 Dec 2006
Posts: 141

Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 10:56 am Post subject: Re: Winter Hanger

When I was in the work force as a welder we kept our welding rods in an old refrigerator with a light bulb for heat and to keep the moisture away. It didn't take but a 100 watt bulb to make the rods so hot you couldn't handle them with bare hands.

I do think one would have to have some kind of thermostat control to keep things from getting too hot.

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Ron Lee
Tucson, Arizona

DaveG601XL

Joined: 27 Oct 2006
Posts: 351
Location: Cincinnati, Oh

Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 1:16 pm Post subject: Re: Winter Hanger

I kind of forgot about my box question from a few years back.  To follow up, I made a simple 3'X3'X2' box out of plywood and lumber left over from my Zenith shipping crates.  A 40 or 60 watt light bulb works great to keep the insides above freezing  here is Ohio.    



There is only one problem.....when the bulb burns out, it does not call me on the phone to say it burned out.     If you just leave it on 24/7, like I did, it takes two standard 2000 hour bulbs to last a winter.   Since I have miss-judged the bulb replacement timing both winters, I froze everything in the box solid.  I will still use it this winter, but have already taken the things sensitive to freezing home.  I will not use them anyway in the winter, so why leave them there.

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David Gallagher
Cincinnati, OH area

craig(at)craigandjean.com
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Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 1:34 pm Post subject: Winter Hanger "Warm Box"

String two bulbs is series. With half the voltage they should last forever.



Or use a CFL 



-- Craig



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flyadive(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 1:40 pm Post subject: Winter Hanger "Warm Box"

Gaggle: 



Take a LQQK in GRANGER or McMaster.

They have all sorts of heating elements and some even come with thermostat controls.

They are rated in WATTS and BTU's.

Something like the TAPE PIPE WRAP can be mounted on ALL the vertical walls of the box and surround the items in heat; with an external temp control.

 



Barry

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flyadive(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 1:41 pm Post subject: Winter Hanger "Warm Box"

OR use a 220 Volt Bulb in a 110 line.



Barry



On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Craig Payne <craig(at)craigandjean.com (craig(at)craigandjean.com)> wrote:

 [quote]--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig(at)craigandjean.com (craig(at)craigandjean.com)>

  

 String two bulbs is series. With half the voltage they should last forever.

 

 Or use a CFL 

 

 -- Craig

 

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psm(at)att.net
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Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 1:44 pm Post subject: Winter Hanger "Warm Box"

Hi Guys,



I'm afraid the series circuiit doesn't really solve the problems.  The CFL

doesn't either.



What actualy works is to use 2 25W bulbs wired in parallel.  This gives you

plenty of heat and when one bulb burns out the other one still works for a

while.  You just need to inspect the setup from time to time to find the

single burned out bulb and replace it.



I have used a similar setup for years to keep wood very dry for fancy box

and pen making.  The light bulbs keep the box warm so it doesn't collect

condensation -- at least on the inside.



Good luck,



Paul 

Camas, WA



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