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AV8ORJWC

Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 1149
Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"

Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:10 am Post subject: The Gorilla speaks

After hearing from three separate sources directly that Garmin had no plans for upgrading the 496 anytime soon (Aug '0 we have all received word of the new, improved Garmin 696.  Now it is clear why they were offering such a killer deal for upgrades to the 496XM with $100 back at OSH '08.  

Now we know "Coming Soon" is less than 3 months and "No time soon" is 3 months and three weeks.  Its 2.3 lbs with a 7" screen displaying  800 x 480 pixels. XM weather, Chartview, SafeTaxi, Simulated Six pack and the kitchen ginsu knife. Now for a Gizmo mount.  

John Cox  

#600  

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:33 am Post subject: The Gorilla speaks

I'd like to hear what the Chartview option adds for cost,

and what the subscription price is.  As it stands now,

the price is on par with some of the tablet offerings,

but it lacks some of the features.  But the chart

subscription pricing and if the Chartview option costs

extra, it could really take the wind out of the sales.

On the other hand, if all charts are included, and updates

are free, it could make it a super attractive way to go.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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John Cox wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   After hearing from three separate sources directly that Garmin had no 

 plans for upgrading the 496 anytime soon (Aug '0 we have all received 

 word of the new, improved Garmin 696.  Now it is clear why they were 

 offering such a killer deal for upgrades to the 496XM with $100 back at 

 OSH '08.

 

 Now we know "Coming Soon" is less than 3 months and "No time soon" is 3 

 months and three weeks.  Its 2.3 lbs with a 7" screen displaying  800 x 

 480 pixels. XM weather, Chartview, SafeTaxi, Simulated Six pack and the 

 kitchen ginsu knife. Now for a Gizmo mount.

 

 John Cox

 

 #600

AV8ORJWC

Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 1149
Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"

Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:09 am Post subject: The Gorilla speaks

Dewey is going to be talking about it at our weekly dinner tonight.  It

is not available yet and will be "Later this year".  I think it was a

pre-emptive advertisement to redirect pending dollars to competitor's

products.  I will ask the question and response to same tomorrow.



John



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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:17 am Post subject: The Gorilla speaks

It ships next week (from Sporty's anyway):

 http://www.sportys.com/acb/showdetl.cfm?&Product_ID=11883&DID=19

 



 

 On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:09 AM, John Cox <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com (johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com)> wrote:

 [quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com (johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com)>

 

Dewey is going to be talking about it at our weekly dinner tonight.  It

is not available yet and will be "Later this year".  I think it was a

pre-emptive advertisement to redirect pending dollars to competitor's

 products.  I will ask the question and response to same tomorrow.



John

 

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AV8ORJWC

Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 1149
Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"

Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:34 am Post subject: The Gorilla speaks

When Tim asks, a faster response is deserved for all his hard work at

RV10 Central and on his RV10 University site.



The Garmin 696 is not available today.  It is expected to be rolled out

in "purchase form" at the AOPA Convention and available at vendor's

shops immediately after.  The Chartview (all FAA charts) is included and

at no charge for the "First Six Months" after registration which,

standard subscription prices then prevail. "Would you like some candy

with that purchase?"



SafeTaxi is included at No Charge.  XM weather capability is included

and the additional subscription fee applies on immediate activation.

$3295 is a Retail "Do not advertise below" pricing.  You read between

the lines.



The wind was taken out of the sales when Garmin gave the $100 instant

rebate and reduced the upgrade cost to Trade In and Walk away with a

496XM unit at OSH '08.  Then again some builders have more money and a

fatter 401K than I do "On this date in time".



John

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pascal(at)rv10builder.net
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:37 am Post subject: The Gorilla speaks

http://garmin.blogs.com/pr/2008/10/garmin-gpsmap-6.html

  

 I'll check it out at AOPA next week. Which is when  it says it will be on sale.

  

 Thanks for the insight John!

 Pascal

  

  



  From: John Cox (johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com) 

 Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:10 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com) 

 Subject: The Gorilla speaks

 



 

After hearing from three  separate sources directly that Garmin had no plans for upgrading the 496  anytime soon (Aug '0 we have all received word of the new, improved Garmin  696.  Now it is clear why they were offering such a killer deal for  upgrades to the 496XM with $100 back at  OSH '08. 

Now we know "Coming Soon" is less  than 3 months and "No time  soon" is 3 months and three weeks.  Its 2.3 lbs with  a 7" screen displaying  800 x 480  pixels. XM  weather, Chartview, SafeTaxi,  Simulated Six pack and the kitchen ginsu knife. Now for a Gizmo mount. 

John  Cox 

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stein(at)steinair.com
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:35 pm Post subject: The Gorilla speaks

There is no read between the lines at all....no ambiguity.  The Portable

GPSes have always had an MRP, not a MAP (minumum advertised price) policy.

That's why I tell people, "they are the same price everywhere, I just

appreciate the business a bit more than most"!



Anyway, the 696 is indeed a really slick product.  Also, regarding the

mounting, by the time you put a gizmo or some sort around this thing, it'd

be huge.  If I were a betting man I might wait a little bit to see what

other alternatives appear in the market!



My 2 cents as usual.



Cheers,

Stein



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Kelly McMullen

Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 1188
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:59 pm Post subject: The Gorilla speaks

One potential killer is that the approach charts go away the minute

they exceed the update cycle. Enroute somewhere at midnight on the end

of a cycle, too bad, no approach charts. Not known yet is how easy

updates will be.

Other competitors let you download updates several days in advance,

and let you use expired charts after acknowledging a warning that they

are expired.

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 I'd like to hear what the Chartview option adds for cost,

 and what the subscription price is.  As it stands now,

 the price is on par with some of the tablet offerings,

 but it lacks some of the features.  But the chart

 subscription pricing and if the Chartview option costs

 extra, it could really take the wind out of the sales.

 On the other hand, if all charts are included, and updates

 are free, it could make it a super attractive way to go.

 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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 John Cox wrote:

>

> After hearing from three separate sources directly that Garmin had no

> plans for upgrading the 496 anytime soon (Aug '0 we have all received word

> of the new, improved Garmin 696.  Now it is clear why they were offering

> such a killer deal for upgrades to the 496XM with $100 back at OSH '08.

>

> Now we know "Coming Soon" is less than 3 months and "No time soon" is 3

> months and three weeks.  Its 2.3 lbs with a 7" screen displaying  800 x 480

> pixels. XM weather, Chartview, SafeTaxi, Simulated Six pack and the kitchen

> ginsu knife. Now for a Gizmo mount.

>

> John Cox

>

> #600

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robin1(at)mrmoisture.com
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:03 pm Post subject: The Gorilla speaks

Tim you are funny! Free updates from Garmin. What will you think of

next?

The 696 would be ideal to double as a sun visor.

Robin

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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:48 pm Post subject: The Gorilla speaks

Of course, to be a good sun visor it would need to have synthetic  

vision.  It looks like they are not using Jep plates, so that should  

make the updates cheaper, but it also would bother me if I had to  

update on or after the day of expiration of the old plates to be able  

to use them.



Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

jesse(at)saintaviation.com

Cell: 352-427-0285

Fax: 815-377-3694



On Oct 30, 2008, at 7:01 PM, Robin Marks wrote:



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 Tim you are funny! Free updates from Garmin. What will you think of

 next?

 The 696 would be ideal to double as a sun visor.

 Robin

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coop85(at)cableone.net
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:16 pm Post subject: The Gorilla speaks

The other downside I see is there is no automotive element to it.  I really like my 496 for the fact that it can get me where I want to go in the RV-10 with XM WX and Radio and then transport it to the car and let it provide directions there as well.  Very handy.    

   

Having said that, the display looks great and the maps would be awesome, except for that whole timing out issue.  Maybe there will be a way to download the next version early like other systems.  

   

Marcus  

   

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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox

 Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 11:10 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: The Gorilla speaks  

  

  

   

After hearing from three separate sources directly that Garmin had no plans for upgrading the 496 anytime soon (Aug '0 we have all received word of the new, improved Garmin 696.  Now it is clear why they were offering such a killer deal for upgrades to the 496XM with $100 back at OSH '08.  

Now we know "Coming Soon" is less than 3 months and "No time soon" is 3 months and three weeks.  Its 2.3 lbs with a 7" screen displaying  800 x 480 pixels. XM weather, Chartview, SafeTaxi, Simulated Six pack and the kitchen ginsu knife. Now for a Gizmo mount.  

John Cox  

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ddddsp1(at)juno.com
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:37 pm Post subject: The Gorilla speaks

WOW.............Garmin with a GPS screen bigger than 3"?   Bigger than my Avmap..........bigger price too.    Will wait for Avmap to come out with the new  

Avmap V...........it will not require a panel extension to fit. 

   DEAN 805HL 

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msausen

Joined: 25 Oct 2007
Posts: 559
Location: Appleton, WI USA

Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:10 am Post subject: The Gorilla speaks

It does say in the description that you can load City Navigator maps on it so you should still be able to use it for auto.  One of the reasons I decided to go with a 496 was because I could use it in my car or on a boat because of it being water resistant.  I can’t see spending the money on weather and only use it a couple times a month.  Now I can use it daily.  

   

Michael  

       

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper

 Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:15 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

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The other downside I see is there is no automotive element to it.  I really like my 496 for the fact that it can get me where I want to go in the RV-10 with XM WX and Radio and then transport it to the car and let it provide directions there as well.  Very handy.    

   

Having said that, the display looks great and the maps would be awesome, except for that whole timing out issue.  Maybe there will be a way to download the next version early like other systems.  

   

Marcus  

   

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stein(at)steinair.com
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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:43 am Post subject: The Gorilla speaks

Whoaa...who started the rumor that you had to buy the stuff the "day" after

expiration?  I'm not 100% sure on this product, but most of the other Garmin

products that use charting (like the GMX, MX, G900X, G1000, G600, etc..)

have a "sunset" period where the data is still usable for some period of

time.  I think it's 180 days but I'm not 100% sure.  I just know that on all

the other products is doesn't become useless the day the data expires.  How

about your GPS? Does the map quit working the day the database expires?



These are the rumors and wives tails that can get spread with little to no

actual or factual first hand basis - so let's not hypothesize (at least

negatively) about such things until we actually know the facts, eh?



My 2 cents as usual.



Cheers,

Stein



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deej(at)deej.net
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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:09 am Post subject: The Gorilla speaks

SteinAir, Inc. wrote:

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		   These are the rumors and wives tails that can get spread with little to no

 actual or factual first hand basis - so let's not hypothesize (at least

 negatively) about such things until we actually know the facts, eh?



   

On page 125 of the 696 owners manual 
	


<http://www.garmin.com/manuals/GPSMAP695_OwnersManual.pdf> it says:



"FliteCharts data is revised every 28 days. Charts are still viewable 

during a period

that extends from the cycle expiration date to the disabled date. 

FliteCharts is

disabled 180 days after the expiration date and are no longer available 

for viewing

upon reaching the disabled date. When turning on the GPSMAP 695/696, the 

Powerup

Page indicates any of five different possible criteria for chart 

availability. These

indications are whether the databases are not configured, not available, 

current, out

of date, or disabled."



    Looks like you can view them up to 180 days after they expire.



-Dj



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AV8ORJWC

Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 1149
Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"

Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:33 am Post subject: The Gorilla speaks

That is one long endurance flight after expiration of the license.



John Cox



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robin1(at)mrmoisture.com
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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:40 pm Post subject: The Gorilla speaks

There was some discussion of availability of Auto mode on the 696. I don’t know if that issue was put to rest but I would not make that my determining factor because one can buy a Garmin 200W for $175.00 or less. I have built in GPS in two cars but placed the 200W in one of my trucks and it's better than the built-in's. I think the auto mode of my 396 stinks in relationship to my 200W when used on land.  

   

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stein(at)steinair.com
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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:00 pm Post subject: The Gorilla speaks

My  thoughts exactly.  Even the 396/496 doesn't do the auto thing as well as a  Nuvi, and I know a number of my customers who've had their x96's stolen,  left in rental cars, etc..  I tell ya, I'd sure as heck rather lose a $200  Nuvi over my several thousand $$ aviation unit.  The little Nuvi's are  better anyway (quicker and easier to use in the car).....

  

 My 2  cents as usual.

  

 Cheers,

 Stein

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mike(at)learningplanet.co
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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:09 pm Post subject: The Gorilla speaks

Yep. I had my 496 stolen from my car over the weekend. Grr.



Mike Schipper

40576 - finishing - www.rvten.com

On Oct 31, 2008, at 6:56 PM, "SteinAir, Inc." <stein(at)steinair.com (stein(at)steinair.com)> wrote:



[quote]  My  thoughts exactly.  Even the 396/496 doesn't do the auto thing as well as a  Nuvi, and I know a number of my customers who've had their x96's stolen,  left in rental cars, etc..  I tell ya, I'd sure as heck rather lose a $200  Nuvi over my several thousand $$ aviation unit.  The little Nuvi's are  better anyway (quicker and easier to use in the car).....

  

 My 2  cents as usual.

  

 Cheers,

 Stein

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msausen

Joined: 25 Oct 2007
Posts: 559
Location: Appleton, WI USA

Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:55 am Post subject: The Gorilla speaks

Actually, the TomTom units are a bit nicer and you don’t have to pay for map updates.  Like I said it all depends, I don’t see the point of spending $30 to $50 a month for weather and have it only get used a couple times when you can bring it with you.  If I was going to leave it in the aircraft, I would just add weather to the EFIS and not even bother with a portable unit.  My 196 has seen tons more use in my truck than it ever did in an aircraft.  BTW, the Nuvi’s use the exact same City Navigator maps that the x96 series units do.  One thing I noticed about my Nuvi 250W is that it seems to update position a lot slower than my old 196.  It’s always lagging my position.  

   

Michael  

       

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks

 Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:26 PM

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There was some discussion of availability of Auto mode on the 696. I don’t know if that issue was put to rest but I would not make that my determining factor because one can buy a Garmin 200W for $175.00 or less. I have built in GPS in two cars but placed the 200W in one of my trucks and it's better than the built-in's. I think the auto mode of my 396 stinks in relationship to my 200W when used on land.  

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

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