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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 3:36 pm    Post subject: FUTURE OF AVIATION Reply with quote

HI KIDS....
I have never before entered the realm of politics with the Flight Group, but this year is crucial to the future of what brings us together, aviation. AOPA has for years been fighting the good fight against higher cost and reduced access for GA airplanes. They may soon be dealt a blow that they cant overcome. As we prepare to vote for president this year PLEASE remember this. Love him or hate him, George Bush IS NOT RUNNING!!!!! John Mccain is. John is a pilot, a naval aviator. What you may not know is that his wife, Cindy, is also a pilot and the Maccain family operates a GA airplane. Imagine having both the president and first lady GA PILOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But wait, it gets better. Sarah Palin's husband, Todd, is also a private pilot with a current third class medical and the Palin family owns and operates a GA airplane, a Super Cub. Sarah Palin comes from a state the literally survives on the wings of GA airplanes.
There are many reasons to vote for an individual candidate, but I cant imagine not voting for a "Dream Team Ticket" like this for GA.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 4:07 pm    Post subject: FUTURE OF AVIATION Reply with quote

Politics are such a large factor in our lives, especially in this election, that it is hard to keep it out of our regular discourse, such as the future of aviation and that a pilot may well be our commander-in-chief on Wednesday. Some folks still believe that it will be just business as usual after Tuesday. Regardless of who wins, this country will have to adapt to the threats that stack up against her from the outside and the inside.

Forgive me for passing this along on this list, but the Christians among us may want to take a look at this [url=http:www.acu.org/prayerchain.asp]http:www.acu.org/prayerchain.asp[/url]. Those who do not believe in Christ, folks, I still love you for the other bonds that keep us together which I cherish and treasure. Having been upfront about what can be expected at this link, you may choose to go or not to go there before you go there. As a wise old farmer once said, sometimes you get and sometimes you get got. This is not one of those.

However you guys vote on Tuesday, vote wisely and vote so that you can live with it later.

Nico


From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com
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Subject: Commander-List: FUTURE OF AVIATION

HI KIDS....
I have never before entered the realm of politics with the Flight Group, but this year is crucial to the future of what brings us together, aviation. AOPA has for years been fighting the good fight against higher cost and reduced access for GA airplanes. They may soon be dealt a blow that they cant overcome. As we prepare to vote for president this year PLEASE remember this. Love him or hate him, George Bush IS NOT RUNNING!!!!! John Mccain is. John is a pilot, a naval aviator. What you may not know is that his wife, Cindy, is also a pilot and the Maccain family operates a GA airplane. Imagine having both the president and first lady GA PILOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But wait, it gets better. Sarah Palin's husband, Todd, is also a private pilot with a current third class medical and the Palin family owns and operates a GA airplane, a Super Cub. Sarah Palin comes from a state the literally survives on the wings of GA airplanes.
There are many reasons to vote for an individual candidate, but I cant imagine not voting for a "Dream Team Ticket" like this for GA.
100000075x1212075880x1200752631/aol?redir=http://news.aol.com/elections?ncid=emlcntusnews00000001"> AOL News.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 5:20 pm    Post subject: FUTURE OF AVIATION Reply with quote

Fellow Commanders-

One of the things that makes these United States a wonderful country is that a) we have the RIGHT to speak our mind, b) we have the OBLIGATION to respect other’s opinions, and c) we get to vote at the local, state and federal levels to set direction for our nation.

Unfortunately, in the age of 24hr media coverage many of us seem to focus on our rights without giving much thought to our obligations. This whole Red State/Blue State, My Guy vs. Your Guy, My Issue vs. Your Issue is creating a country completely polarized around the ends and soft in the middle.

The partisanship of the past twenty years has caused an unfortunate majority of people to forget that some of us don’t care where you are from, or what God you pray to, or what you think our national agenda should be. Why don’t we care? Because you are a fellow American- and at the end of the day all that matters is that you love our country, participate positively in the process and don’t close your mind or your ears to viewpoints other than your own.

So with that being said, I’d like to politely request that we leave discussion of our national politics to discussion lists set up specifically for that purpose.

Last I checked this list was for all of us Commander owners and enthusiasts to share knowledge and our love of the airplane…and “we Americans” aren’t the only ones in the room.

Whomever might win our election on Tuesday (or however many days afterward that it might take) it will not change the fact that Commander parts are hard to come by, hydraulic pumps will leak, occasionally some of us need sound advice from more experienced commander owners, or maybe we just some good old fashioned camaraderie based around a common interest.

If you feel that you must tell the members of this list your political views: Put a McCain or Obama bumper sticker on your commander, and at the next Fly-In everyone will know how you voted… But please- let’s leave this list for its primary purpose.

Robert S. Randazzo
N414C


From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 4:05 PM
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Subject: RE: FUTURE OF AVIATION



Politics are such a large factor in our lives, especially in this election, that it is hard to keep it out of our regular discourse, such as the future of aviation and that a pilot may well be our commander-in-chief on Wednesday. Some folks still believe that it will be just business as usual after Tuesday. Regardless of who wins, this country will have to adapt to the threats that stack up against her from the outside and the inside.

Forgive me for passing this along on this list, but the Christians among us may want to take a look at this http:www.acu.org/prayerchain.asp. Those who do not believe in Christ, folks, I still love you for the other bonds that keep us together which I cherish and treasure. Having been upfront about what can be expected at this link, you may choose to go or not to go there before you go there. As a wise old farmer once said, sometimes you get and sometimes you get got. This is not one of those.

However you guys vote on Tuesday, vote wisely and vote so that you can live with it later.

Nico



From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 3:33 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: FUTURE OF AVIATION
HI KIDS....
I have never before entered the realm of politics with the Flight Group, but this year is crucial to the future of what brings us together, aviation. AOPA has for years been fighting the good fight against higher cost and reduced access for GA airplanes. They may soon be dealt a blow that they cant overcome. As we prepare to vote for president this year PLEASE remember this. Love him or hate him, George Bush IS NOT RUNNING!!!!! John Mccain is. John is a pilot, a naval aviator. What you may not know is that his wife, Cindy, is also a pilot and the Maccain family operates a GA airplane. Imagine having both the president and first lady GA PILOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But wait, it gets better. Sarah Palin's husband, Todd, is also a private pilot with a current third class medical and the Palin family owns and operates a GA airplane, a Super Cub. Sarah Palin comes from a state the literally survives on the wings of GA airplanes.
There are many reasons to vote for an individual candidate, but I cant imagine not voting for a "Dream Team Ticket" like this for GA.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 6:54 pm    Post subject: FUTURE OF AVIATION Reply with quote

Robert S. Randazzo wrote:
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One of the things that makes these United States a wonderful country
is that a) we have the RIGHT to speak our mind, b) we have the
OBLIGATION to respect other’s opinions, and c) we get to vote at the
local, state and federal levels to set direction for our nation.

But please- let’s leave this list for its primary purpose.


Normally, I'd agree with you, but this time, I'm with JB. Given that one
of the candidates has openly and repeatedly stated that his intentions
are to substantially eliminate the exact things you mention above as
well as take actions which will clearly and obviously devastate general
aviation as we know it, I think a little political discussion is quite
appropriate for any aviation list. Most aircraft owners have not relied
on the government to facilitate their ability to own or fly. They tend
to be very self sufficient types who work hard to afford aviation in
their lives and simply want to have minimal interference. I know there
are probably a few left-leaning types around here and that's just fine
too. The candidate in question, however, is so far out there that it's
beyond my ability to understand how any intelligent person who believes
in what this country stands for can possibly support his views.
chris

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 7:38 pm    Post subject: FUTURE OF AVIATION Reply with quote

Amen
C-GISS
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 4:33 am    Post subject: FUTURE OF AVIATION Reply with quote

Robert,

I disagree with you. Too much at stake.

Regards,

Bob


From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S. Randazzo
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 8:17 PM
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Fellow Commanders-

One of the things that makes these United States a wonderful country is that a) we have the RIGHT to speak our mind, b) we have the OBLIGATION to respect other’s opinions, and c) we get to vote at the local, state and federal levels to set direction for our nation.

Unfortunately, in the age of 24hr media coverage many of us seem to focus on our rights without giving much thought to our obligations. This whole Red State/Blue State, My Guy vs. Your Guy, My Issue vs. Your Issue is creating a country completely polarized around the ends and soft in the middle.

The partisanship of the past twenty years has caused an unfortunate majority of people to forget that some of us don’t care where you are from, or what God you pray to, or what you think our national agenda should be. Why don’t we care? Because you are a fellow American- and at the end of the day all that matters is that you love our country, participate positively in the process and don’t close your mind or your ears to viewpoints other than your own.

So with that being said, I’d like to politely request that we leave discussion of our national politics to discussion lists set up specifically for that purpose.

Last I checked this list was for all of us Commander owners and enthusiasts to share knowledge and our love of the airplane…and “we Americans” aren’t the only ones in the room.

Whomever might win our election on Tuesday (or however many days afterward that it might take) it will not change the fact that Commander parts are hard to come by, hydraulic pumps will leak, occasionally some of us need sound advice from more experienced commander owners, or maybe we just some good old fashioned camaraderie based around a common interest.

If you feel that you must tell the members of this list your political views: Put a McCain or Obama bumper sticker on your commander, and at the next Fly-In everyone will know how you voted… But please- let’s leave this list for its primary purpose.

Robert S. Randazzo
N414C


From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 4:05 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: FUTURE OF AVIATION



Politics are such a large factor in our lives, especially in this election, that it is hard to keep it out of our regular discourse, such as the future of aviation and that a pilot may well be our commander-in-chief on Wednesday. Some folks still believe that it will be just business as usual after Tuesday. Regardless of who wins, this country will have to adapt to the threats that stack up against her from the outside and the inside.

Forgive me for passing this along on this list, but the Christians among us may want to take a look at this http:www.acu.org/prayerchain.asp. Those who do not believe in Christ, folks, I still love you for the other bonds that keep us together which I cherish and treasure. Having been upfront about what can be expected at this link, you may choose to go or not to go there before you go there. As a wise old farmer once said, sometimes you get and sometimes you get got. This is not one of those.

However you guys vote on Tuesday, vote wisely and vote so that you can live with it later.

Nico



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Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 3:33 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: FUTURE OF AVIATION
HI KIDS....
I have never before entered the realm of politics with the Flight Group, but this year is crucial to the future of what brings us together, aviation. AOPA has for years been fighting the good fight against higher cost and reduced access for GA airplanes. They may soon be dealt a blow that they cant overcome. As we prepare to vote for president this year PLEASE remember this. Love him or hate him, George Bush IS NOT RUNNING!!!!! John Mccain is. John is a pilot, a naval aviator. What you may not know is that his wife, Cindy, is also a pilot and the Maccain family operates a GA airplane. Imagine having both the president and first lady GA PILOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But wait, it gets better. Sarah Palin's husband, Todd, is also a private pilot with a current third class medical and the Palin family owns and operates a GA airplane, a Super Cub. Sarah Palin comes from a state the literally survives on the wings of GA airplanes.
There are many reasons to vote for an individual candidate, but I cant imagine not voting for a "Dream Team Ticket" like this for GA.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:04 am    Post subject: Re: FUTURE OF AVIATION Reply with quote

Well if the jackass wins I want all of you to keep working hard so he can re distribute your income to me cause I'm gonna quit working when everything is provided FREE by the guvmnt.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:04 am    Post subject: FUTURE OF AVIATION Reply with quote

Chris, I respectfully disagree with some (but certainly not all of what you said) in a couple messages. Not much good can come from political or religious postings on this list. Nothing will be learned and no minds will change.

It doesn't matter how thoughtful or studied someone's point of view is. It would nice if everyone were free to stand up and be heard, but no one is seriously interested in hearing what it is you have to say. Say something that goes against the party line and a dozen free-thinking 'ditto-heads' will shout you down and impune your honor, intelligence, and patriotism, without having a clue as to who you are or how you live. Go ahead, try it! I have, and I'm not much liked. Most people would prefer to spit across the aisle at each other. Maybe this time will be different.

All I've seen so far is an accusation of a 600% increase in gas taxes, and Obama is tired of living out of a jet.

Steve

P.S. If my signature has Col-East in it, the opinions are mine. Commander folks, please don't hold it against the company if you ever do business with us. These are good people here.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:36 am    Post subject: Re: FUTURE OF AVIATION Reply with quote

Gosh Steve, I thought we had gotten you back on the right track and permanently pulled your head out of your butt. You are having a relapse?

Only rumors about gas taxes?

How about the candidate himself saying he is going to redistribute income because "it is fair"

He himself says we are selfish if we wish to keep what we work for.

His running mate has only contributed $3,000 to charity over the last several years out of the millions he has made. And I'm selfish?

THIS GUY IS NUTS, HES DANGEROUS, AT BEST A SOCIALIST AND IN ALL LIKELIHOOD A COMMUNIST.

READ THESE WORDS HE WILL DESTROY THIS COUNTRY with the help of naieve folks like you and the pissant.

ps I won't hold your opinions against your company.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 7:19 am    Post subject: FUTURE OF AVIATION Reply with quote

Milt, nothing I could say would make you think my head wasn't still up my
butt. So I won't try too awful hard.

I'm tired of being lied to by both sides. Arguements are pushed to ridiculus
extremes. Facts don't matter. And now we pick our news sources that tell us
what we already believe. (An email is not a news source.) Pick the most
extreme lefty or righty, and knock down a straw man.

Our government over the last eight years has been incompetant (and in many
ways radical). Genuine old-time conservatives have been abandoning the
current policies and party in droves. Most of those conservatives a lot
smarter than I am.

I don't believe Obama's nuts. I don't believe he's a commie. If he governs
from the center, and listens to dissenting opinions, he might just do ok.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:36 am    Post subject: FUTURE OF AVIATION Reply with quote

Milt,
I usually put my foot in my mouth up to the knee but Obama does not scare
me, he terrifies me. The damage his thinking and with the help of his
friends will destroy the country. He has said he would side with the Muslims
if it came down to it. That should be enough but then when he has said he
will reduce the military which would tell the world we are weak. He plans to
take the money from people that have worked hard and worried and sweated to
make and give it to people that are too lazy to work. I have seen several
clips where groups of people have been ask what he has accomplished and no
one could come up with any thing. He would rarely vote for anything unless
it was extremely liberal and the rest of the time he would just vote here.
He won't put his hand over his heart when the pledge of allegiance is said
and will not wear an American flag on his coat.
Sorry I got wound up but when it comes to my country I do real fast. I spent
my time in the Air Force and although I am too old now I would still do what
I could to protect this country.
Jim A

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:55 am    Post subject: FUTURE OF AVIATION Reply with quote

Actually I think our founding fathers would be quite satisfied with how
things are working. We're still here, after 232 years. Not Rome yet, but
we're still chugging along. The Constitution is still our governing
document. We're still (barely) managing to maintain the separation of
church & state. And no matter how bad things are, the guy in charge can
only continue it for a maximum of 8 years....and then he's ineligible to
run for office again. Obama wins and you don't like it? No problem, we
can vote him out in 2012. Or he's gone for good anyway in 2016.

There is ALWAYS a "sky is falling" mentality, and the media perpetuates
it. In 1985 when I got my first car loan, the interest rate on it was
12.5% through a major lender. Fallout from the Carter era? The last
great socialist who won the office on a platform of "Change?" He lasted
one term and we hastily voted him out on his ass.

Clinton was going to ruin the country too, I recall. He did institute
the assault weapon ban, which really upset many competitive shooters
like myself, but when he left office we had a budget SURPLUS....which
GWB spent in about a year.

This never ends. Go back a ways....how'd Calvin Coolidge do? His
policies essentially resulted in the Great Depression. And wow, we
survived that too.

I'm a fiscal conservative. I'm a registered Republican. I own my own
business, and it's probably going to be a target of Obama's tax
policies, so I have that to look forward to. GA is going to suffer as
well. But 4 years from now, there will still be capitalism, still be
airplanes, and still be pilots, rich and poor. The only change will be
who occupies the oval office. I also view the mainstream media as mildly
entertaining fiction. Good for an hour of yuks at night, but that's
about it.

Weather the storm. VOTE. And be vocal on the local and state level where
the people who need YOUR votes might actually be able to do something.

This will be my only opinion post. I'll continue to judiciously use the
delete button on my Commander List emails for the ones that don't
interest me.

This will also be my only plea to get everyone to VOTE TOMORROW.
Regardless of what anybody tells you, your vote STILL DOES MATTER.

Cheers,

/John

Jim Addington wrote:
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Milt,
I usually put my foot in my mouth up to the knee but Obama does not scare
me, he terrifies me. The damage his thinking and with the help of his
friends will destroy the country. He has said he would side with the Muslims
if it came down to it. That should be enough but then when he has said he
will reduce the military which would tell the world we are weak. He plans to
take the money from people that have worked hard and worried and sweated to
make and give it to people that are too lazy to work. I have seen several
clips where groups of people have been ask what he has accomplished and no
one could come up with any thing. He would rarely vote for anything unless
it was extremely liberal and the rest of the time he would just vote here.
He won't put his hand over his heart when the pledge of allegiance is said
and will not wear an American flag on his coat.
Sorry I got wound up but when it comes to my country I do real fast. I spent
my time in the Air Force and although I am too old now I would still do what
I could to protect this country.
Jim A

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:37 am    Post subject: FUTURE OF AVIATION Reply with quote

Great post, John. I sat in church yesterday and the pastor preached pretty
much the same thing.
Oh, I won't quit because of this. Sorry about that.
Nico


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