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messydeer

Joined: 13 Feb 2006
Posts: 214
Location: Bellingham, WA

Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 9:48 am Post subject: Paint after Polishing

Hi!



A couple years down the road, when my plane is done, I plan to polish it, possibly with the Nuvite stuff. I figure although it may take more time, it will be lighter and cheaper than painting. I do plan on having painted highlights, though.



I also think that if for some reason I decide to paint all of the aluminum, I could do this after the polish job. But recently, I had been told that some folks have had problems doing just this. Something about not having the paint adhere will around the rivets, where residual polishing material hadn't come off. There may have been a bleeding effect, I'm not sure.



Anybody have any experience or suggestion about this? 



Cheers!

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Dan

Rickey B.

Joined: 22 Mar 2008
Posts: 70

Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:33 am Post subject: Paint after Polishing

A couple years down the road, when my plane is done, I plan to polish

it, possibly with the Nuvite stuff. I figure although it may take more

time, it will be lighter and cheaper than painting. I do plan on having

painted highlights, though.



I also think that if for some reason I decide to paint all of the

aluminum, I could do this after the polish job. But recently, I had been

told that some folks have had problems doing just this. Something about

not having the paint adhere will around the rivets, where residual

polishing material hadn't come off. There may have been a bleeding

effect, I'm not sure.



Anybody have any experience or suggestion about this? 



	

	Hi, Dan et al,

		I am in the midst of painting The Bird as we type. I

found a small round gizmo that chucks up in a drill that will "score"

around the rivet heads about the same as Scotch Brite does on the flat

stuff. I got it at O'Reilly's, about twenty five bucks. I later found

that one could get a brass wire spinner at the local weld shop for about

six bucks. It would do the same job.

	 I had to eliminate some orange peel by lightly polishing and I

washed the parts with Dawn dish soap prior to painting. It seemed to

remove any and all the residue polish. Time will tell if I got it all,

but it seems good now. 

	Here's some free advice (as most is). Anytime you are "scuffing"

the existing paint, or the aluminum, prior to painting, ALWAYS use a new

piece of Scotch Brite pad. I made the mistake of using a used piece on

white paint (small areas) and some of the imbedded aluminum from

previous scuffing became imbedded in the white paint. It made the areas

look dirty. To re-do these areas would take weeks to re-do and about

another $300 in paint to correct and then there would be absolutely on

guarantee of a good paint job, so I chose to live with the dirty look as

a reminder to NOT SKIMP! Other than that, the paint job is very

satisfactory for this rookie in a small workshop. 

	Enjoy!! Hope this helps.

		Rick

notsew_evets(at)frontiern
Guest

Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 12:24 pm Post subject: Paint after Polishing

If I could turn back the clock,  I would polish.



Paint just adds weight and If you wanting to be in the sport pilot arena its 

just your loss in usefull load....



SW

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messydeer

Joined: 13 Feb 2006
Posts: 214
Location: Bellingham, WA

Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:05 pm Post subject: Re: Paint after Polishing

Thanks for the quick replies, guys 



If all goes well, I do plan on polishing. My question is about problems associated with painting after polishing. For example, I may want to paint it a year or so after the original polish job. I have heard some people have had problems with the polish effecting the paint.



Take care,

Dan

naumuk(at)alltel.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:55 pm Post subject: Paint after Polishing

Dan-

    It takes forever to get a shine in T6, but from what I hear once you get 

it in, maintenance is minimal.

    Boring, boring, boring. You can't even get your kids to do it!

                                                        Bill

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kmccune

Joined: 22 Sep 2007
Posts: 577
Location: Wisconsin, USA

Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 4:08 pm Post subject: Re: Paint after Polishing

I also am wondering about this. I plan on polishing most or the skin and painting highlights. And I will be doing the painting. So after the polish how do you get the paint to stick? I assume you polish everything, but as little as possible on the part your going to paint...but what about the line es between and the parts you didn't mean to polish? Or like stated painting after polish?



Thanks



Kevin

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raymondj(at)frontiernet.n
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Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 4:15 pm Post subject: Paint after Polishing

Is there any benefit to polishing vs. leaving the factory finish besides the 

looks?  I'm just lazy and easily bored.



Raymond Julian

Kettle River, MN



"Hope for the best,

but prepare for the worst."



do not archive

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ideaz1(at)sbcglobal.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 4:36 pm Post subject: Paint after Polishing

I'd reccomend waxing it to cut down on corosion and reduce drag a bit but 

the rest is just cosmetic.

Dirk



 	  Quote: 	
		   Is there any benefit to polishing vs. leaving the factory finish besides 

 the looks?  I'm just lazy and easily bored.



 Raymond Julian

 Kettle River, MN

kmccune

Joined: 22 Sep 2007
Posts: 577
Location: Wisconsin, USA

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:41 am Post subject: Re: Paint after Polishing

I vaguely remember a benefit to polishing and corrosion resistance. But I may be remembering wrong.   

do not archive



Kevin

naumuk(at)alltel.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 3:49 pm Post subject: Paint after Polishing

Kevin-

    The weight savings, corrosion protection and good looks all make 

polishing something due serious consideration which is why I went that 

route, and I have no trouble with Nuvite products. What comes into play with 

a Zodiac is the fact that you're polishing a hard alloy, 6061-T6, and it 

takes forever. If you get a square foot an hour you're doing good. Think 

about how many square feet of surface there is to be polished on a Zenith 

and then evaluate the capability you have to put in the mind deadening time 

it will take.

                                                                  Bill

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BobCollins

Joined: 12 Aug 2008
Posts: 19
Location: Sunnyvale CA USA

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 4:12 pm Post subject: Paint after Polishing

My understanding is that painting or polishing 6061 is purely for 

cosmetics. If fact, the light oxidation that forms provides a protective 

barrier for further corrosion (it seals the bare aluminum from the 

oxygen-laden air). This is not necessarily the case with the 2024 alloy 

used on Cessnas, RVs, etc.



Your choice, but remember, lightness is a very good thing for an airplane.



Bob Collins

Sunnyvale CA USA



raymondj wrote:

[quote] 



 Is there any benefit to polishing vs. leaving the factory finish 

 besides the looks?  I'm just lazy and easily bored.



 Raymond Julian

 Kettle River, MN



 "Hope for the best,

 but prepare for the worst."



 do not archive

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craig(at)craigandjean.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 4:23 pm Post subject: Paint after Polishing

My role model is the builder up in Washington state who neither painted or

polished his plane. He did paint a pin-up girl on the cowl. But I can't

recall his name or find his web site. As I recall he build his plane is some

remarkable short period.



-- Craig



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tshankland(at)sbcglobal.n
Guest

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 4:44 pm Post subject: Paint after Polishing

I too when with the Nuvite product, while it is time consuming the first 

time, mine took a lot less than a square foot an hour. As I have 

mentioned before on this list a thin coating of mineral spirits ( paint 

thinner) make the Nuvite go on like cream. I am doing my yearly buff on 

the plane now, compared with the original buffing it is child's play.

Tim Shankland



Bill Naumuk wrote:



[quote] 



 Kevin-

    The weight savings, corrosion protection and good looks all make 

 polishing something due serious consideration which is why I went that 

 route, and I have no trouble with Nuvite products. What comes into 

 play with a Zodiac is the fact that you're polishing a hard alloy, 

 6061-T6, and it takes forever. If you get a square foot an hour you're 

 doing good. Think about how many square feet of surface there is to be 

 polished on a Zenith and then evaluate the capability you have to put 

 in the mind deadening time it will take.

                                                                  Bill

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grs-pms(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 4:55 pm Post subject: Paint after Polishing

Craig:



You must be referring to Joe Edwards.



  George

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naumuk(at)alltel.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:20 pm Post subject: Paint after Polishing

Tim-

    No matter what, it takes me an average of an hour/ft., even with the use 

of mineral spirits.

                                                                    Bill

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craig(at)craigandjean.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:20 pm Post subject: Paint after Polishing

That's the one: "Build in a tent in 8 months"



http://www.cleanh2o.com/633z/ZodieGirl.jpg



http://www.cleanh2o.com/633z/



Not to mention the "Swedish mufflers"!



-- Craig



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Terry Phillips

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 346
Location: Corvallis, MT

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:09 pm Post subject: Paint after Polishing

I remember that gentlemen's presentation at the Arlington Flyin. I don't 

remember his name, however. IIRC, he finished in about 6 months or so. It 

was rough around the edges, but SIX MONTHS! I'm attaching a couple of 

photos so you can see what it looked like.



Terry

At 05:23 PM 11/4/2008 -0700, you wrote:

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		  My role model is the builder up in Washington state who neither painted or

polished his plane. He did paint a pin-up girl on the cowl. But I can't

recall his name or find his web site. As I recall he build his plane is some

remarkable short period.



-- Craig


	




Terry Phillips  ZBAGer

ttp44~at~rkymtn.net

Corvallis MT

601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons 

are done; working on the wings

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Corvallis, MT
ttp44<at>rkymtn.net
Zenith 601XL/Jab 3300 slow build kit - Tail feathers done; working on the wings.

grs-pms(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:36 pm Post subject: Paint after Polishing

As I posted before, the builder's name is Joe Edwards.  He is a member of 

EAA Chapter 26 in Seattle.  He was on the list, but I haven't seen any post 

of his lately.



He built the airplane in a tent in his back yard.  It is powered by a Jabiru 

3300, and it's a pleasure to fly.



George

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