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DuaneFamly(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:08 am Post subject: Time to Paint?

Good day all,

  

 I just came from my Flight Physical and since I have a real old flying  doctor, we chatted over my build. When I brought up having to find someone to  paint my bird or go out and learn to do it myself...and buy the equipment....he  stated that he and friends that have built 6 planes over the past 10  years....from Long EZ's to RV's....that they never painted their planes until  after they flew off their 40 hours of test flying! This came as a surprise to  me.....how about to you folks? Pros and Cons would be a big help in the upcoming  discussion.   

 Mike Duane  A207A

Redding, California

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Jabiru  3300A

Sensenich R64Z N

Ground Adjustable  Prop





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terrys(at)cisco.com
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:41 am Post subject: Time to Paint?

Hi Mike,

  

 We decided not to fly  until painted for the following reasons;

 1) the color must be  white to keep from getting too hot.  One plane we know of had light grey  primer on a control surface that warped in the sun.

 2) even with white  primer, the primer is usually more porous than paint, and may get impregnated  with engine oils, bug juice, etc, that may cause problems later on when you do  paint.

  

 just my two cents  worth,

  

 Terry Seaver

  



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Subject: Time  to Paint?

 

 Good day all,

  

 I just came from my Flight Physical and since I have a real old flying  doctor, we chatted over my build. When I brought up having to find someone to  paint my bird or go out and learn to do it myself...and buy the equipment....he  stated that he and friends that have built 6 planes over the past 10  years....from Long EZ's to RV's....that they never painted their planes until  after they flew off their 40 hours of test flying! This came as a surprise to  me.....how about to you folks? Pros and Cons would be a big help in the upcoming  discussion.   

 Mike Duane  A207A

Redding, California

XS Conventional Gear

Jabiru  3300A

Sensenich R64Z N

Ground Adjustable  Prop





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karelvranken(at)hotmail.c
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:47 am Post subject: Time to Paint?

Mike,

 If you crash in the first 40 hours then you would have saved the paint  costs.

 Still smiling,

 Karel Vranken # 447 F-PKRL 200 hours and upholstery to be done.

  

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craigb(at)onthenet.com.au
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:52 am Post subject: Time to Paint?

hard to say, I thought about it, that way if  u need to make any changes you wont wreck your paint job, but to know you  still

 haven't finished when you do your test  flights would bug me I think, also what damage will you do to the structure due  to UV

 unless you plan on doing your 40 hours at  night  : )

  

 regards

  

 craig

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Paul Boulet

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Posts: 57
Location: Malibu, California

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:05 pm Post subject: Time to Paint?

I've been flying in primer for quite a few years.  One less worry about messing up the paint when the seemingly never ending work/mods happen.  Still only have 25 hours on the plane- trying to find the time and money to get back out to Phoenix to continue the rest of the hours

 Paul Boulet, N914PB, Malibu, CA.  914 tri gear



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		  From: Terry Seaver (terrys) <terrys(at)cisco.com>

Subject: RE: Time to Paint?

To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 11:40 AM



  Hi Mike,

  

 We decided not to fly until painted for the following reasons;

 1) the color must be white to keep from getting too hot.  One plane we know of had light grey primer on a control surface that warped in the sun.

 2) even with white primer, the primer is usually more porous than paint, and may get impregnated with engine oils, bug juice, etc, that may cause problems later on when you do paint.

  

 just my two cents worth,

  

 Terry Seaver

  



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Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 11:07 AM

To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Time to Paint?

 

 Good day all,

  

 I just came from my Flight Physical and since I have a real old flying doctor, we chatted over my build. When I brought up having to find someone to paint my bird or go out and learn to do it myself...and buy the equipment....he stated that he and friends that have built 6 planes over the past 10 years....from Long EZ's to RV's....that they never painted their planes until after they flew off their 40 hours of test flying! This came as a surprise to me.....how about to you folks? Pros and Cons would be a big help in the upcoming discussion.   

 Mike Duane A207A

Redding, California

XS Conventional Gear

Jabiru 3300A

Sensenich R64Z N

Ground Adjustable Prop





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acrojim(at)cfl.rr.com
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 5:36 am Post subject: Time to Paint?

Mike

 

When we completed our monowheel, we completed painting the a/c before we had our first flight. It was still in the shop, and we were in the right frame of mind to complete the plane with a coat of paint. Once we started flying, we never had to look back.

 

A few years later we built a Van's RV 7A, once the a/c was ready to fly, we made the decision to fly off the 40 hours, before painting.. We ended up with almost 200 hours before we started the paint process.

 

What a mistake...... We had to bring the a/c back into the shop clean off the grime and gunk, then we had to take off all the fairing, cowling, wheel paints, etc (you get the picture)

We had to seal off the cockpit area, as the panel was installed, It took about a week of all these preparations before we could move the plane to the shop. Then about a week of prep work before we could start painting.

 

I would say we lost about six weeks before the plane was ready to fly again...

 

Jim and Augustene Brown



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		   Good day all,

  

 I just came from my Flight Physical and since I have a real old flying  

 doctor, we chatted over my build. When I brought up having to find someone to  

 paint my bird or go out and learn to do it myself...and buy the equipment....he  

 stated that he and friends that have built 6 planes over the past 10  

 years....from Long EZ's to RV's....that they never painted their planes until  after 

 they flew off their 40 hours of test flying! This came as a surprise to  

 me.....how about to you folks? Pros and Cons would be a big help in the upcoming  

 discussion.  

 

 Mike Duane  A207A

 Redding, California

 XS Conventional Gear

 Jabiru  3300A

 Sensenich R64Z N

 Ground Adjustable  Prop

 

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budyerly(at)msn.com
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 7:04 am Post subject: Time to Paint?

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->   After nearly eight of these, flying the plane in the raw has pro's and  cons.

  

 Pro:

 If you are concerned that the flying qualities are bad and extensive  exterior mods will need to be made, don't paint.

 On the Tri-gear, the common mistake is to not allow the moldings to  flex.  Flying the gear legs unpainted can show you where you made a  mistake.

 Fiberglass requires clearancing for filler and paint.  Your wing  fillets will require the sides to be filled to get a good fit.  Filler  accepts dirt/grease very well.

 Paint adds weight.

 Jabiru cooling is a real problem, so do your homework with the other Jab  owners to get your cowl right.  Biggest problem is the exit area and oil  cooler allowing the lower cowl to increase pressure.  My opinion.

  

 Cons:

 Flight characteristics of the stab are different unless smooth and  painted.  Not bad, but noticeable.

 A Europa which has been built square has rarely needed exterior work, and  if it did, just repaint the area.

 Leaks are easy to clean up and don't ruin polyurethane paint.

 The Europa wing is susceptible to roughness.  If you fly the wing  raw with bumps, don't lift off below 55 knots or she will settle.

 With the conventional gear being that far forward and short, the bounces  are, well, sporty to say the least.  Try 10-15 degrees of flap to aid in  early control.

  

 General:

 Do your work properly during the pre-finishing phase such as:

 Make sure all your electrical, fuel and plumbing is correct, tight and leak  free before paint.  

 Test everything and calibrate your fuel system and make sure the radios and  electrical do-dads all work.

 If a clearance looks tight, fill and sand the area and make sure it clears  with allowances for paint.

 A Jabiru rarely sheds oil and grease during engine operations.   Clearance your exhaust well, make sure your oil breather is operating and  you won't have problems.

  

 I have always felt that a good flying airplane is assured when the plane  owner makes sure every system is perfect prior to going on to the next  step.  Flaps, ailerons, stab and trim systems should be tight and ready to  fly.  Shim your aileron QD's and adjust your linkages.  Make sure  your liquid systems are tight.  Fill the engine with oil and turn it over,  start it if you like and check the systems.  Now is the time to find your  wiring problems and ensure all is well. If you are going to paint  before you fly, you will have the burden of making sure your work is  correct.

  

 When is the plane ready to fly...When you are ready to knock on the test  pilots door and tell his wife he is dead, and there was nothing you could have  done to better prepare the aircraft to prevent it.

  

 That philosophy will give you an honest airplane.  You will still have  little electrical do-dad glitches and one component not talking to another,  but the engine and flight systems will be sound. 

  

 Bud Yerly

 Custom Flight Creations

(813) 653-4989



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rampil

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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 9:57 am Post subject: Re: Time to Paint?

hi all



I agree with Terry. Paint before

Bug splats make a good finish

Impossible. My trigear is a most 

Efficient bug splatter.

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DuaneFamly(at)aol.com
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:19 pm Post subject: Time to Paint?

Well, I want to thank all those who replied.....I have decided to paint  before flight but will go through all the systems before I paint, as per Bud's  reply. That seems to be the most practical way to approach the final stages of  this project.   

 Mike Duane  A207A

Redding, California

XS Conventional Gear

Jabiru  3300A

Sensenich R64Z N

Ground Adjustable  Prop





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