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Back in April 07 Michael Stewart posted some good info about reclocking the 2-blade Hartzell on an IO540 to reduce vibration. Now that my plane has 60 hours on it and I have fixed all the little first few flights squaks, I am now focusing on the vibration issue. I did not notice it much in the first few hours because I kept the RPMs up around 2350 but the more I play around with low power/RPM settings the more I feel it.
So I am wondering if anyone else has tried this since Michael showed us it worked, and Michael if you are reading this, I tried the link to your webpage from the 4/07 posting and it did not work, do you have a new web address?
Kevin Shannon
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:14 am Post subject: Re-clocking the prop |
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Hey Kevin,
Yes Im listening.
Been moving servers at the house to a new location today. It was down this morning.
Its up but a bit slow this morning due to other issues Im working.
SHould be up mostly today, then back up to complete snufff tomorrow.
Prop clocking and all the vib data here.
http://mstewart.net/super8/index.htm
Hollor if you have any questions.
I have done more prop testing in the past 2 years than I care to admit:)
Super 8 is going strong. Over 800 hours on her now. If I just had a few more knots:)
See ya
Mike
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Back in April 07 Michael Stewart posted some good info about reclocking the 2-blade Hartzell on an IO540 to reduce vibration. Now that my plane has 60 hours on it and I have fixed all the little first few flights squaks, I am now focusing on the vibration issue. I did not notice it much in the first few hours because I kept the RPMs up around 2350 but the more I play around with low power/RPM settings the more I feel it.
So I am wondering if anyone else has tried this since Michael showed us it worked, and Michael if you are reading this, I tried the link to your webpage from the 4/07 posting and it did not work, do you have a new web address?
Kevin Shannon
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:18 am Post subject: Re-clocking the prop |
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I purchased the new Hartzell two blade BA. It does not need any special clocking and it is as smooth as the three blade MT that it replaced. I had it dynamically balanced at the Hartzell shop when I picked it up. It is an 80 inch prop, looks good and is quite a bit faster, at full power, than the MT.
Tom Martin
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Hey Kevin,
Yes Im listening.
Been moving servers at the house to a new location today. It was down this morning.
Its up but a bit slow this morning due to other issues Im working.
SHould be up mostly today, then back up to complete snufff tomorrow.
Prop clocking and all the vib data here.
http://mstewart.net/super8/index.htm
Hollor if you have any questions.
I have done more prop testing in the past 2 years than I care to admit:)
Super 8 is going strong. Over 800 hours on her now. If I just had a few more knots:)
See ya
Mike
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Back in April 07 Michael Stewart posted some good info about reclocking the 2-blade Hartzell on an IO540 to reduce vibration. Now that my plane has 60 hours on it and I have fixed all the little first few flights squaks, I am now focusing on the vibration issue. I did not notice it much in the first few hours because I kept the RPMs up around 2350 but the more I play around with low power/RPM settings the more I feel it.
So I am wondering if anyone else has tried this since Michael showed us it worked, and Michael if you are reading this, I tried the link to your webpage from the 4/07 posting and it did not work, do you have a new web address?
Kevin Shannon
HR !!
N450KS
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Hi Tom,
What does the Hartzell two blade weigh? Thanks. JBB
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Martin
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:16 AM
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I purchased the new Hartzell two blade BA. It does not need any special clocking and it is as smooth as the three blade MT that it replaced. I had it dynamically balanced at the Hartzell shop when I picked it up. It is an 80 inch prop, looks good and is quite a bit faster, at full power, than the MT.
Tom Martin
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Sent: November 12, 2008 11:14 AM
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Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re-clocking the prop
Hey Kevin,
Yes Im listening.
Been moving servers at the house to a new location today. It was down this morning.
Its up but a bit slow this morning due to other issues Im working.
SHould be up mostly today, then back up to complete snufff tomorrow.
Prop clocking and all the vib data here.
http://mstewart.net/super8/index.htm
Hollor if you have any questions.
I have done more prop testing in the past 2 years than I care to admit:)
Super 8 is going strong. Over 800 hours on her now. If I just had a few more knots:)
See ya
Mike
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Back in April 07 Michael Stewart posted some good info about reclocking the 2-blade Hartzell on an IO540 to reduce vibration. Now that my plane has 60 hours on it and I have fixed all the little first few flights squaks, I am now focusing on the vibration issue. I did not notice it much in the first few hours because I kept the RPMs up around 2350 but the more I play around with low power/RPM settings the more I feel it.
So I am wondering if anyone else has tried this since Michael showed us it worked, and Michael if you are reading this, I tried the link to your webpage from the 4/07 posting and it did not work, do you have a new web address?
Kevin Shannon
HR !!
N450KS
AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needx1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from-aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001">Search Now.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 12:20 pm Post subject: Re-clocking the prop |
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68 pounds, three pounds heavier than the non counterweighted prop and 6 pounds lighter than the counterweighted version. I forget the weight of the old paddle blade but this one should be similar.
Tom Martin.
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Sent: November 12, 2008 12:27 PM
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Hi Tom,
What does the Hartzell two blade weigh? Thanks. JBB
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Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:16 AM
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Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Re-clocking the prop
I purchased the new Hartzell two blade BA. It does not need any special clocking and it is as smooth as the three blade MT that it replaced. I had it dynamically balanced at the Hartzell shop when I picked it up. It is an 80 inch prop, looks good and is quite a bit faster, at full power, than the MT.
Tom Martin
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael W Stewart
Sent: November 12, 2008 11:14 AM
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re-clocking the prop
Hey Kevin,
Yes Im listening.
Been moving servers at the house to a new location today. It was down this morning.
Its up but a bit slow this morning due to other issues Im working.
SHould be up mostly today, then back up to complete snufff tomorrow.
Prop clocking and all the vib data here.
http://mstewart.net/super8/index.htm
Hollor if you have any questions.
I have done more prop testing in the past 2 years than I care to admit:)
Super 8 is going strong. Over 800 hours on her now. If I just had a few more knots:)
See ya
Mike
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Back in April 07 Michael Stewart posted some good info about reclocking the 2-blade Hartzell on an IO540 to reduce vibration. Now that my plane has 60 hours on it and I have fixed all the little first few flights squaks, I am now focusing on the vibration issue. I did not notice it much in the first few hours because I kept the RPMs up around 2350 but the more I play around with low power/RPM settings the more I feel it.
So I am wondering if anyone else has tried this since Michael showed us it worked, and Michael if you are reading this, I tried the link to your webpage from the 4/07 posting and it did not work, do you have a new web address?
Kevin Shannon
HR !!
N450KS
AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needx1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from-aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001">Search Now.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 12:56 pm Post subject: Re-clocking the prop |
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Tom,
Here is the data Les Doud at Hartzell ran on the 8068D BA blades on my HR2. I plan on buying one someday soon. Could you send me your photos to smokyray(at)rocketmail.com?
Thanks
Smokey
HR2
Rob,
I ran two conditions:
1. 8500 ft, 192 KTAS (195 mph indicated), 200 Hp (at) 2400 RPM
2. S.L., 204 KTAS (235 mph), 285 Hp (at) 2700 RPM
The 8068:
1. 88.4%, 300 lbs.
2. 88.3%, 402 lbs
The 8068D:
1. 88.9%, 302 lbs.
2. 89.1%, 405 lbs.
Although the efficiency/thrust numbers are close, the blade loading is more optimal on the "D" twist which should have favorable installation effects (lower drag). To my knowledge nobody has tested an 8475J-4 or an 8475D-4 two blade back-to-back with an 8068D. The only testing I'm aware of is what I did with Paul Seigel on his F-1 and what Tom Martin did, both started with an MT prop.
The other (hopeful) benefit of this blade is I married it with the DHC- hub indexing to lower cabin vibration levels. Based on Paul and Tom's feedback it appears the new prop is on par with the MT for smoothness. Again, only someone testing back-to-back with an HC- prop will be able to qualify the improvement relative to what we've been selling.
Respectfully,
Les Doud
Propeller Integration Engineer
Hartzell Propeller Inc.
Phone: 937-778-4262
Fax: 937-778-4321
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68 pounds, three pounds heavier than the non counterweighted prop and 6 pounds lighter than the counterweighted version. I forget the weight of the old paddle blade but this one should be similar.
Tom Martin.
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Sent: November 12, 2008 12:27 PM
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
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Hi Tom,
What does the Hartzell two blade weigh? Thanks. JBB
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Martin
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:16 AM
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Re-clocking the prop
I purchased the new Hartzell two blade BA. It does not need any special clocking and it is as smooth as the three blade MT that it replaced. I had it dynamically balanced at the Hartzell shop when I picked it up. It is an 80 inch prop, looks good and is quite a bit faster, at full power, than the MT.
Tom Martin
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Sent: November 12, 2008 11:14 AM
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re-clocking the prop
Hey Kevin,
Yes Im listening.
Been moving servers at the house to a new location today. It was down this morning.
Its up but a bit slow this morning due to other issues Im working.
SHould be up mostly today, then back up to complete snufff tomorrow.
Prop clocking and all the vib data here.
http://mstewart.net/super8/index.htm
Hollor if you have any questions.
I have done more prop testing in the past 2 years than I care to admit:)
Super 8 is going strong. Over 800 hours on her now. If I just had a few more knots:)
See ya
Mike
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Back in April 07 Michael Stewart posted some good info about reclocking the 2-blade Hartzell on an IO540 to reduce vibration. Now that my plane has 60 hours on it and I have fixed all the little first few flights squaks, I am now focusing on the vibration issue. I did not notice it much in the first few hours because I kept the RPMs up around 2350 but the more I play around with low power/RPM settings the more I feel it.
So I am wondering if anyone else has tried this since Michael showed us it worked, and Michael if you are reading this, I tried the link to your webpage from the 4/07 posting and it did not work, do you have a new web address?
Kevin Shannon
HR !!
N450KS
AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needx1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from-aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001">Search Now.
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