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wilwood(at)earthlink.net
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:10 am Post subject: Berube conventional gear

Hello group, after retiring, moving, traveling and a 3 year absence I am coming 

up to speed back working on my Europa again.  This is my first post in the matronics

system.



I am just finishing installing my Berube conventional gear mod.  I am dealing with

the subsequent re-setup of the flap operation, i.e., deciding on electric or mechanical

actuation.  I am leaning toward mechanical.  And how to make use of my now unused

monowheel open space.  The gear is raked about a foot and intended to be raked forward

but Bob Berube told me it might be acceptable to put the rake rearward.  I will 

have to evaluate each positions stability and tendency to ground loop.  The gear

is one piece and hangs just below the fuselage so should be fared in.  I believe

I will develop wheel pants.  I know this is a somewhat general question but I am

asking for suggestions (or pitfalls) and maybe pictures from those who have gone

before.



Thanks,

Bill McClellan

Jabaru powered 164XS

So Cal

ami(at)mcfadyean.freeserv
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:26 am Post subject: Berube conventional gear

William,

The axle line relative to the CG position is quite far forward on the mono 

Europa, which puts quite a load on the tailwheel. However, this is one 

aspect of the Europa that the Factory were very happy with. It certainly 

reduces the tendency to nose-over.



Duncan McF.

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grahamsingleton(at)btinte
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:05 am Post subject: Berube conventional gear

William,

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		   The axle line relative to the CG position is quite far forward on the 

 mono Europa, which puts quite a load on the tailwheel. However, this 

 is one aspect of the Europa that the Factory were very happy with. It 

 certainly reduces the tendency to nose-over.



 Duncan McF. 

But certainly increases the tendency to ground loop, which often dings 
	


the prop 

Graham

fklein(at)orcasonline.com
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:09 pm Post subject: Berube conventional gear

On Tuesday, November 11, 2008, at 08:02  AM, William McClellan wrote:



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		   I believe I will develop wheel pants.


	


William,



If memory serves, I believe I once heard that the pants used on the 

trigear are those which Bob B. originally designed and molded for his 

conventional gear conversion.



Fred

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grroberts3(at)juno.com
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 3:55 pm Post subject: Berube conventional gear

Van's RV8 wheel pants seem to fit fine.



GRoberts

 

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 On Tuesday, November 11, 2008, at 08:02  AM, William McClellan 

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 > I believe I will develop wheel pants.

 

 William,

 

 If memory serves, I believe I once heard that the pants used on the 

 

 trigear are those which Bob B. originally designed and molded for 

 his 

 conventional gear conversion.

 

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ami(at)mcfadyean.freeserv
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 4:19 pm Post subject: Berube conventional gear

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		   But certainly increases the tendency to ground loop, which often dings the 

 prop<


	


That would  be true for the monowheel, with its unhelpful outrigger geometry 

(i.e.outrigger axes well behind the mainwheel axle).



Duncan McF.

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rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.n
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 7:54 pm Post subject: Berube conventional gear

Hi Duncan



"That would be true for the monowheel, with its unhelpful outrigger geometry 

(i.e.outrigger axes well behind the mainwheel axle)."



Perhaps we should be thinking in terms of "Applied Arcaic Technology" and actually attach a couple of axes forward on wing tips like WW1 Bi/Tri planes for beginners (and those well experianced)! Kinda sortta in line with main wheel.



Real men need not be scared to hit brake if you are not going absolute straight!! (Well, let's make that not too scared if you have training axes)



Do not arcive



Ron Parigoris

Visit -  www.EuropaOwners.org

grahamsingleton(at)btinte
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 3:45 pm Post subject: Berube conventional gear

Duncan & Ami McFadyean wrote:

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 <ami(at)mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>

> But certainly increases the tendency to ground loop, which often 

> dings the prop<

 That would  be true for the monowheel, with its unhelpful outrigger 

 geometry (i.e.outrigger axes well behind the mainwheel axle).

 Duncan McF. 

True for any taildragger. G-BWON (bow legged Swiss gear) broke a leg AND 

dinged the prop

Graham

ami(at)mcfadyean.freeserv
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:07 pm Post subject: Berube conventional gear

Graham,

Presumably the prop ding was a consequence of the leg breaking, not the 

groundloop, to get back to the original discussion. Or shall we start with 

poor piloting in the first place?



Duncan.

Duncan.

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grahamsingleton(at)btinte
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:47 am Post subject: Berube conventional gear

Duncan & Ami McFadyean wrote:

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 <ami(at)mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>



 Graham,

 Presumably the prop ding was a consequence of the leg breaking, not 

 the groundloop, to get back to the original discussion. Or shall we 

 start with poor piloting in the first place?



 Duncan.

More likely, or more probably start with poor training 
	


Graham

wilwood(at)earthlink.net
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:27 am Post subject: Berube conventional gear

Thanks for the on and off line replies.  Bob has sold 15 conventional gear mods in US and some more worldwide.  The monowheel space is rather large to waste.  How have you converted the space for use?

Thanks,

Bill McClellan

164XS

SoCal

Gary.Leinberger(at)miller
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:38 am Post subject: Berube conventional gear

How about a small bomb payload - I think for our British cousins that will almost double the bomb load carrying capacity of the RAF?

gl



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mikenjulie.parkin(at)btin
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 12:43 pm Post subject: Berube conventional gear

Its quality not quantity that counts!   See

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1467470/US-bomber-misses-target-for-f

lypast-at-air-show.html



Oops!!!

Do not archive

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Gary.Leinberger(at)miller
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 12:56 pm Post subject: Berube conventional gear

We could use a Europa bomber wing here in the U.S. since Congress has spent all the money and bankrupted the country - I think we can now afford 2 or maybe 3 Raptors - so the Europa, with the optional bomb compartment may be a significant addition to our fleet - as for missing targets, that's why we have B-52s -



gl



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houlihan(at)blueyonder.co
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 2:40 pm Post subject: Berube conventional gear

Nothing new here then.

Some years ago I attended an airshow at the Woodford aerodrome ( the 

home of AVRO aircraft) the weather was not good and the announcer made a 

great thing of the F111's advanced avionics giving it all weather 

capability, he kept this up for an extended period claiming that it was 

carrying out a high speed flypast !  nothing was seen, after some time 

we heard that Manchester international airport had reported a very high 

speed aircraft had flown the length of its runway at low level.



Oops

Mike Parkin wrote:

[quote] 



 Its quality not quantity that counts!   See

 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1467470/US-bomber-misses-target-for-f

 lypast-at-air-show.html



 Oops!!!

 Do not archive

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kheindl(at)msn.com
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:11 pm Post subject: Berube conventional gear

Hi Bill C

  

 I made good use of the mono-wheelbay: But first I modified the instrument module by making a recess in the mid-section C as a lot of space behind there is just wasted. This then makes room for the fingerbrakes on top of the tunnel (non-standard mod) and a few other gadgets C and leaving room for a large clip-on lid on top of the tunnel. The bottom of the bay and the front bulkhead are made out of lexan. So I have a window for aerial photography C and an easy inspection of the nosewheel suspension. I have easy access to the fuel and brake lines C and coax cables and rudder cables C all of which are attached to the interior walls.I even have the controls for the glider wing airbrakes in there. I use the extra space mainly for keeping my maps and other flying gear.

 This winter I am modifying the floor window so that it can be opened. So I could lob a few handgranades if I felt like it.

  

 Karl



 





[quote] Date: Mon C 17 Nov 2008 13:26:57 -0500

 From: wilwood(at)earthlink.net

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 Subject: Berube conventional gear

 

 --> Europa-List message posted by: William McClellan <wilwood(at)earthlink.net>

 

 Thanks for the on and off line replies. Bob has sold 15 conventional gear mods in US and some more worldwide. The monowheel space is rather large to waste. How have you converted the space for use?

 Thanks C

 Bill McClellan

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