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 Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 12:01 am Post subject: Touched some nerves? |
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Wow! Touched a coupla nerves or what?
First.... Pete Krotchety, unlax and read your own forum. At the time I read it, EVERY one of the folks (active customers, perhaps, since you didn't immediately personally crap on them) except you posting on the subject was happy with their Yahoo experience and some at least a bit unhappy with Matronics.. Have you asked Yahoo for help with your particular problem? Available 7/24 (not sure about Matronics coverage). The other day I heard someone else make your exact same claim of sudden spam flooding to their "secret" yahoo address and it turned out they forgot they were also using their "secret" Yahoo address for bestiality porn. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Just a thought. And I would like to withdraw my compliment on Arion customer service attitude and responsiveness to customer feedback since you just vowed (as official, permanent, unalterable company policy apparently) to never cooperate in any way with any present or future Yahoo Lightning Group no matter how many current and potential customers participate in it. Deming would be SO proud.
Second...to Petey again. .Sincerely sorry about your problem with my font's appearance but any cretin could see my tone was tentative, cordial, and neophyte toward members of this group (senior instructor, examiner, and accident investigator outside) rather than the SHOUTING you accused me of. Today of course I am blending in extra length plus sarcasm and humor in response to your crucifixion attempt... in case you hadn't noticed. Hopefully for the first and last time. Again, I am writing this in Times 12, plain, and it looks fine on digest and the HTML site. What you saw may be a glitch in that Matronics stone-age programming language. If everyone sees it too large and bold on this post too please advise and I will not post again without exploring the cause.
Third.... Hi John! Nice of you to jump in and pile on. You can call me Steve. I see you're from Crossville, TN. Another Arion employee or work for TradeAPlane or that trailer place outside of town or ??? See the parenthetical above for my resume. Not that it matters.
Fourth and finally....to kinder gentler Jim. Apologies to all if my observations ended up in the wrong topic... as I suppose these will also...but do you seriously not ever want to hear comparisons (even complimentary ones... I noted your vastly superior Vne) between your chosen aircraft and its nearest and thusfar more successful (in registrations foreign and domestic) competitor? Let's say you prefer your head in the sand on that as is your right. Would you arrogantly deny such information to others here? Even that one post? Geez. Tough crowd. Except for the backchannel support I get from those afraid to risk the curmudgeons' wrath in public... with their names known, kits underway needing support, and all that. Look - show me a single factual error in that comparison or another aircraft closer in price, style, dimensions, useful load, and performance to the Lightning SP variant and I will burn rubber backing up to apologize. Otherwise.... Happy Holidays to one and all.
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N1BZRich(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 8:46 am Post subject: Touched some nerves? |
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Steve,
Wow, although I thought your first post was informative with some possible good suggestions on the list and interesting information on the Sport Cruiser, your second one was a little "snippy". No problem, lists like this are for people to exchange information and "points of view". But it has been my experience that you can "win friends and influence people" if you are nicer in your choice of words as you exchange information. But then, that is just my take of things, your mileage may vary.
By the way, you have in interesting email address - AVN100. Are you, or have you ever been, an FAA employee in the Flight Procedures Office? If so, then the old saying about "we are not happy until you are not happy" might be appropriate. Just kidding of course, you should be laughing at that joke.
Blue Skies,
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:23 pm Post subject: Touched some nerves? |
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Hi Buz, your just too nice. I have met his (AVN100) attitude many times and there is nothing you can do for him. As for me I am enjoying my Lightning and the great people involved. I just add AVN100 to the blocked list.
Just comments from an old retired Army aviator that doesn't work for anyone and won't listen to anyone who craps on my friends for whatever reason. Life is too short.
Johnny Thompson, Tucson Arizona.
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Kayberg(at)AOL.COM
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 6:19 am Post subject: Touched some nerves? |
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Hi AVN,
I guess you needed some outlet for your creative writing efforts. Welcome aboard!!!.
I am sure you will not object to a few responses to your assertions.
First, I dont seem to pick up spam from visiting anus-oriented web sites, however I am not so sure about Yahoo. I am sure about Matronics.
Second, never underestimate the frustrations of spam. Pete is a kind man who is a bit gruff when perturbed, but honest and trustworthy as the day is long. Some prefer a smooth-talking slime salesman, but I never have. I know and trust ALL the folks at USAJabiru and Arion Aircraft. So his decision to stiff Yahoo is not unexpected nor unwanted. I should also note for the record that Pete does not suffer fools gladly.
Third, I suppose Pete's comments about your font and cap use may have been a little testy. However, it would seem he was prophetic by inference.
And finally, when you get to comparing airplanes, I think it is a personal matter. I would hope that the comparator has some level of knowledge and experience. Reminds me of a Buz story. When a newly minted hot-shot turboprop pilot ignored the charts, didn't listen to the AWAS and entered a very wide pattern at Williamsburg recently, 1,000 ft too high going the wrong way; Buz announced his correct position and turned to land. When challenged on the radio by the hot-shot, Buz explained the published pattern. A few minutes later the hot-shot landed, he stomped up to Buz to express his indignation over being corrected. "How many hours do you have?," he queried. "A little over 10,000 hours" said Buz. End of story. A few hundred hours even in Turboprops doesn't stack up well to 10,000 hours in everything from F-16s to Piper Cubs. Buz has earned to right to offer suggestions and corrections. Some of the rest of us are pretenders.
Every airplane has its quirks. A very few can be downright deathtraps. The comments of really knowledgeable people can be helpful here. But the vast majority are proudly owned because of their virtues. I think it is more helpful to consider the virtues and the mission capablity of specific airplanes than to compare their weak points in a vacuum.
A personal note. By my observation, a little sarcasm goes a long way on listserves. It is a trudge to read and is easily discounted. It does take more work to package one's thoughts without venom, but I think it is worth the effort.
Doug Koenigsberg
In a message dated 11/22/2008 3:02:26 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, AVN100(at)aol.com writes:
| Quote: | Wow! Touched a coupla nerves or what?
First.... Pete Krotchety, unlax and read your own forum. At the time I read it, EVERY one of the folks (active customers, perhaps, since you didn't immediately personally crap on them) except you posting on the subject was happy with their Yahoo experience and some at least a bit unhappy with Matronics.. Have you asked Yahoo for help with your particular problem? Available 7/24 (not sure about Matronics coverage). The other day I heard someone else make your exact same claim of sudden spam flooding to their "secret" yahoo address and it turned out they forgot they were also using their "secret" Yahoo address for bestiality porn. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Just a thought. And I would like to withdraw my compliment on Arion customer service attitude and responsiveness to customer feedback since you just vowed (as official, permanent, unalterable company policy apparently) to never cooperate in any way with any present or future Yahoo Lightning Group no matter how many current and potential customers participate in it. Deming would be SO proud.
Second...to Petey again. .Sincerely sorry about your problem with my font's appearance but any cretin could see my tone was tentative, cordial, and neophyte toward members of this group (senior instructor, examiner, and accident investigator outside) rather than the SHOUTING you accused me of. Today of course I am blending in extra length plus sarcasm and humor in response to your crucifixion attempt... in case you hadn't noticed. Hopefully for the first and last time. Again, I am writing this in Times 12, plain, and it looks fine on digest and the HTML site. What you saw may be a glitch in that Matronics stone-age programming language. If everyone sees it too large and bold on this post too please advise and I will not post again without exploring the cause.
Third.... Hi John! Nice of you to jump in and pile on. You can call me Steve. I see you're from Crossville, TN. Another Arion employee or work for TradeAPlane or that trailer place outside of town or ??? See the parenthetical above for my resume. Not that it matters.
Fourth and finally....to kinder gentler Jim. Apologies to all if my observations ended up in the wrong topic... as I suppose these will also...but do you seriously not ever want to hear comparisons (even complimentary ones... I noted your vastly superior Vne) between your chosen aircraft and its nearest and thusfar more successful (in registrations foreign and domestic) competitor? Let's say you prefer your head in the sand on that as is your right. Would you arrogantly deny such information to others here? Even that one post? Geez. Tough crowd. Except for the backchannel support I get from those afraid to risk the curmudgeons' wrath in public... with their names known, kits underway needing support, and all that. Look - show me a single factual error in that comparison or another aircraft closer in price, style, dimensions, useful load, and performance to the Lightning SP variant and I will burn rubber backing up to apologize. Otherwise.... Happy Holidays to one and all.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 5:16 am Post subject: Touched some nerves? |
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Well said. Nice job.
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 23, 2008, at 9:19 AM, Kayberg(at)AOL.COM (Kayberg(at)AOL.COM) wrote:
| Quote: | Hi AVN,
I guess you needed some outlet for your creative writing efforts. Welcome aboard!!!.
I am sure you will not object to a few responses to your assertions.
First, I dont seem to pick up spam from visiting anus-oriented web sites, however I am not so sure about Yahoo. I am sure about Matronics.
Second, never underestimate the frustrations of spam. Pete is a kind man who is a bit gruff when perturbed, but honest and trustworthy as the day is long. Some prefer a smooth-talking slime salesman, but I never have. I know and trust ALL the folks at USAJabiru and Arion Aircraft. So his decision to stiff Yahoo is not unexpected nor unwanted. I should also note for the record that Pete does not suffer fools gladly.
Third, I suppose Pete's comments about your font and cap use may have been a little testy. However, it would seem he was prophetic by inference.
And finally, when you get to comparing airplanes, I think it is a personal matter. I would hope that the comparator has some level of knowledge and experience. Reminds me of a Buz story. When a newly minted hot-shot turboprop pilot ignored the charts, didn't listen to the AWAS and entered a very wide pattern at Williamsburg recently, 1,000 ft too high going the wrong way; Buz announced his correct position and turned to land. When challenged on the radio by the hot-shot, Buz explained the published pattern. A few minutes later the hot-shot landed, he stomped up to Buz to express his indignation over being corrected. "How many hours do you have?," he queried. "A little over 10,000 hours" said Buz. End of story. A few hundred hours even in Turboprops doesn't stack up well to 10,000 hours in everything from F-16s to Piper Cubs. Buz has earned to right to offer suggestions and corrections. Some of the rest of us are pretenders.
Every airplane has its quirks. A very few can be downright deathtraps. The comments of really knowledgeable people can be helpful here. But the vast majority are proudly owned because of their virtues. I think it is more helpful to consider the virtues and the mission capablity of specific airplanes than to compare their weak points in a vacuum.
A personal note. By my observation, a little sarcasm goes a long way on listserves. It is a trudge to read and is easily discounted. It does take more work to package one's thoughts without venom, but I think it is worth the effort.
Doug Koenigsberg
In a message dated 11/22/2008 3:02:26 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, AVN100(at)aol.com (AVN100(at)aol.com) writes:
| Quote: | Wow! Touched a coupla nerves or what?
First.... Pete Krotchety, unlax and read your own forum. At the time I read it, EVERY one of the folks (active customers, perhaps, since you didn't immediately personally crap on them) except you posting on the subject was happy with their Yahoo experience and some at least a bit unhappy with Matronics.. Have you asked Yahoo for help with your particular problem? Available 7/24 (not sure about Matronics coverage). The other day I heard someone else make your exact same claim of sudden spam flooding to their "secret" yahoo address and it turned out they forgot they were also using their "secret" Yahoo address for bestiality porn. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Just a thought. And I would like to withdraw my compliment on Arion customer service attitude and responsiveness to customer feedback since you just vowed (as official, permanent, unalterable company policy apparently) to never cooperate in any way with any present or future Yahoo Lightning Group no matter how many current and potential customers participate in it. Deming would be SO proud.
Second...to Petey again. .Sincerely sorry about your problem with my font's appearance but any cretin could see my tone was tentative, cordial, and neophyte toward members of this group (senior instructor, examiner, and accident investigator outside) rather than the SHOUTING you accused me of. Today of course I am blending in extra length plus sarcasm and humor in response to your crucifixion attempt... in case you hadn't noticed. Hopefully for the first and last time. Again, I am writing this in Times 12, plain, and it looks fine on digest and the HTML site. What you saw may be a glitch in that Matronics stone-age programming language. If everyone sees it too large and bold on this post too please advise and I will not post again without exploring the cause.
Third.... Hi John! Nice of you to jump in and pile on. You can call me Steve. I see you're from Crossville, TN. Another Arion employee or work for TradeAPlane or that trailer place outside of town or ??? See the parenthetical above for my resume. Not that it matters.
Fourth and finally....to kinder gentler Jim. Apologies to all if my observations ended up in the wrong topic... as I suppose these will also...but do you seriously not ever want to hear comparisons (even complimentary ones... I noted your vastly superior Vne) between your chosen aircraft and its nearest and thusfar more successful (in registrations foreign and domestic) competitor? Let's say you prefer your head in the sand on that as is your right. Would you arrogantly deny such information to others here? Even that one post? Geez. Tough crowd. Except for the backchannel support I get from those afraid to risk the curmudgeons' wrath in public... with their names known, kits underway needing support, and all that. Look - show me a single factual error in that comparison or another aircraft closer in price, style, dimensions, useful load, and performance to the Lightning SP variant and I will burn rubber backing up to apologize. Otherwise.... Happy Holidays to one and all.
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info(at)flylightning.net
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:16 am Post subject: Touched some nerves? |
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Again,
We have no mediators on this group that is what makes it great but I would please refrain from any posts not at least some what involved with the Lightning, good or other wise. Your rant about the sport cruiser is not pertinent here by any means. I am not sure how you measure successful, if it by shear quantity well than I guess they have got us there. But we supply and deliver kits and parts on time, answer the phones and email list if needed. So I don’t know which aircraft you might rather have? And well I just don’t think the latter is as damn good Looking as the Lightning.
So what ever you are claiming or disclaiming or shouting about, do not attack my builders, customers, friends, and co workers because it just is not needed here….feels like I am back in high school.
Nick Otterback
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Subject: Touched some nerves?
Wow! Touched a coupla nerves or what?
First.... Pete Krotchety, unlax and read your own forum. At the time I read it, EVERY one of the folks (active customers, perhaps, since you didn't immediately personally crap on them) except you posting on the subject was happy with their Yahoo experience and some at least a bit unhappy with Matronics.. Have you asked Yahoo for help with your particular problem? Available 7/24 (not sure about Matronics coverage). The other day I heard someone else make your exact same claim of sudden spam flooding to their "secret" yahoo address and it turned out they forgot they were also using their "secret" Yahoo address for bestiality porn. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Just a thought. And I would like to withdraw my compliment on Arion customer service attitude and responsiveness to customer feedback since you just vowed (as official, permanent, unalterable company policy apparently) to never cooperate in any way with any present or future Yahoo Lightning Group no matter how many current and potential customers participate in it. Deming would be SO proud.
Second...to Petey again. .Sincerely sorry about your problem with my font's appearance but any cretin could see my tone was tentative, cordial, and neophyte toward members of this group (senior instructor, examiner, and accident investigator outside) rather than the SHOUTING you accused me of. Today of course I am blending in extra length plus sarcasm and humor in response to your crucifixion attempt... in case you hadn't noticed. Hopefully for the first and last time. Again, I am writing this in Times 12, plain, and it looks fine on digest and the HTML site. What you saw may be a glitch in that Matronics stone-age programming language. If everyone sees it too large and bold on this post too please advise and I will not post again without exploring the cause.
Third.... Hi John! Nice of you to jump in and pile on. You can call me Steve. I see you're from Crossville, TN. Another Arion employee or work for TradeAPlane or that trailer place outside of town or ??? See the parenthetical above for my resume. Not that it matters.
Fourth and finally....to kinder gentler Jim. Apologies to all if my observations ended up in the wrong topic... as I suppose these will also...but do you seriously not ever want to hear comparisons (even complimentary ones... I noted your vastly superior Vne) between your chosen aircraft and its nearest and thusfar more successful (in registrations foreign and domestic) competitor? Let's say you prefer your head in the sand on that as is your right. Would you arrogantly deny such information to others here? Even that one post? Geez. Tough crowd. Except for the backchannel support I get from those afraid to risk the curmudgeons' wrath in public... with their names known, kits underway needing support, and all that. Look - show me a single factual error in that comparison or another aircraft closer in price, style, dimensions, useful load, and performance to the Lightning SP variant and I will burn rubber backing up to apologize. Otherwise.... Happy Holidays to one and all.
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N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:35 pm Post subject: Touched some nerves? |
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Hi Johnny,
Thanks for the kind words, but you are probably right. But his "AVN100" name really does suggest an FAA tie in. I wonder if he chose that on purpose?
Blue Skies,
Buz
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