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cristalclear13

Joined: 19 Sep 2007
Posts: 363
Location: Southeast Georgia

Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 9:00 pm Post subject: lubrication on hinges

What is a good product to lubricate the aileron (flaperon) hinges?

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cristalclear13

Joined: 19 Sep 2007
Posts: 363
Location: Southeast Georgia

Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 6:25 am Post subject: Re: lubrication on hinges

I found this reply from about a year ago from a similar question asked by JetPilot, but where would I find that product (graphite spray) and is there a particular product that is better/easier to work with?



 	  jb92563 wrote: 	
		  A dry lube like graphite spray would be good.



Wet sticky lubes get dirt and grit mixed in them and cause faster erosion of the metal parts....definitely not a good thing.

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cristalclear13

Joined: 19 Sep 2007
Posts: 363
Location: Southeast Georgia

Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 11:11 am Post subject: Re: lubrication on hinges

Sorry to keep posting to my own thread.  I guess I could just edit the original thread.



Has anyone heard of or used ACF-50?  I found a reference to that in the archives and here is the link to aircraft spruce:

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/acf50.php



Or perhaps no one lubricates their hinges?

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ELSA Repairman for N193Y April 2008
Rotax 2 stroke maintenance April 2009

slyck(at)frontiernet.net
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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 11:39 am Post subject: lubrication on hinges

Most of us never get around to it until the hinges start getting  

sloppy.  Procrastinators.

The ACF is likely ok but the $$$$ ??

Jack, I fell out of love with WD40 years ago when it failed to  

protect some machine tools in the basement.

Advance Auto MPL is better and cheaper.



John H. usually intercedes here with a pitch for Tube Seal.  Good for  

inside those steel pipes.

BB



On 30, Nov 2008, at 2:11 PM, cristalclear13 wrote:



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 <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com>



 Sorry to keep posting to my own thread.  I guess I could just edit  

 the original thread.



 Has anyone heard of or used ACF-50?  I found a reference to that in  

 the archives and here is the link to aircraft spruce:

 http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/acf50.php



 Or perhaps no one lubricates their hinges?



 --------

 Cristal Waters

 Kolb Mark II Twinstar

 Rotax 503 DCSI





 Read this topic online here:



 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 17066#217066

russ(at)rkiphoto.com
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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 2:02 pm Post subject: lubrication on hinges

I've been told that the airlines and the military stopped using   

WD-40 because it caused corrosion if used for a long time.

Anyone else ever heard this?  It seems to work fine

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On Nov 30, 2008, at 2:39 PM, robert bean wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 Most of us never get around to it until the hinges start getting  

 sloppy.  Procrastinators.

 The ACF is likely ok but the $$$$ ??

 Jack, I fell out of love with WD40 years ago when it failed to  

 protect some machine tools in the basement.

 Advance Auto MPL is better and cheaper.

 John H. usually intercedes here with a pitch for Tube Seal.  Good  

 for inside those steel pipes.

 BB

 On 30, Nov 2008, at 2:11 PM, cristalclear13 wrote:

> 

> <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com>

>

> Sorry to keep posting to my own thread.  I guess I could just edit  

> the original thread.

>

> Has anyone heard of or used ACF-50?  I found a reference to that  

> in the archives and here is the link to aircraft spruce:

> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/acf50.php

>

> Or perhaps no one lubricates their hinges?

>

> --------

> Cristal Waters

> Kolb Mark II Twinstar

> Rotax 503 DCSI

>

>

> Read this topic online here:

>

> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 17066#217066

>

>

JetPilot

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1246

Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 2:55 pm Post subject: Re: lubrication on hinges

I never use WD-40 as a lubricant.  Even though it has some lubricating properties, ( so does water !! ) WD-40 is not designed as a lubricant.  



WD in WD-40 stands for Water Displacer...  It is much to think to be a very effective lubricant in most cases.   



JettPilot

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slyck(at)frontiernet.net
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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 2:56 pm Post subject: lubrication on hinges

This will give you insight on WD-40.  They made, and still are, a ton of money with a simple mix.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WD-40

It does displace water well and is good for a temporary fix on a bad distributor cap (TEMPORARY)

The residuals are scant and therefore does not make a good lube or rust protection.

LPS has a good variety of products.

BB



On 30, Nov 2008, at 5:01 PM, russ kinne wrote:

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russ(at)rkiphoto.com
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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 4:21 pm Post subject: lubrication on hinges

Jetpilot

Pls pardon my effrontery in correcting you (!!), slightly; but

WD stands for Water Dispersant

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On Nov 30, 2008, at 5:55 PM, JetPilot wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 I never use WD-40 as a lubricant.  Even though it has some  

 lubricating properties, ( so does water !! ) WD-40 is not designed  

 as a lubricant.



 WD in WD-40 stands for Water Displacer...  It is much to think to  

 be a very effective lubricant in most cases.



 JettPilot



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 &quot;NO FEAR&quot; -  If you have no fear you did not go as fast  

 as you could have !!!



 Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S





 Read this topic online here:



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Dana

Joined: 13 Dec 2007
Posts: 1047
Location: Connecticut, USA

Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 4:41 pm Post subject: lubrication on hinges

At 07:20 PM 11/30/2008, russ kinne wrote:

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		  --> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <russ(at)rkiphoto.com>



 Jetpilot

 Pls pardon my effrontery in correcting you (!!), slightly; but

 WD stands for Water Dispersant 	


 Picky, picky... but you're both wrong!  It stands for "Water Displacement", according to the WD-40 website.



 I can attest to that... after dunking my PPG engine in salt water some years ago, I drained out the water, put most of a can of WD-40 through it, and got it running again.  Without ever disassembling the engine, it now has another couple hundred hours on it, and it's still running fine.



 -Dana



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russ(at)rkiphoto.com
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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 5:02 pm Post subject: lubrication on hinges

Dana,All I can say is "you may be right" But Wiki says it's water-dispersant, and I know it used to be. If they've changed it, then I was wrong, and I apologize.

But a minor matter at best!

I used a bunch of it when  a burst water-pipe soaked a whole slew of handguns, years ago, and they all came thru looking like new. I was most grateful.

Tell us the gory details of how your PPG got soaked??

Russ

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On Nov 30, 2008, at 7:40 PM, Dana Hague wrote:

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		   At 07:20 PM 11/30/2008, russ kinne wrote:

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Dana

Joined: 13 Dec 2007
Posts: 1047
Location: Connecticut, USA

Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 5:25 pm Post subject: lubrication on hinges

At 08:02 PM 11/30/2008, russ kinne wrote:

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		  Dana,

All I can say is "you may be right"

But Wiki says it's water-dispersant, and I know it used to be. If they've 

changed it, then I was wrong, and I apologize.

But a minor matter at best!


	


Remember, ANYBODY can log in and edit a Wiki... whether they know what 

they're talking about or not.  It's incredibly useful... but never the 

final, authoritative source.  But see:



  http://www.wd40company.com/about/history

"It took them 40 attempts to get the water displacing formula worked out. 

But they must have been really good, because the original secret formula 

for WD-40®—which stands for Water Displacement perfected on the 40th try—is 

still in use today."



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		  Tell us the gory details of how your PPG got soaked??


	


http://usppamembers.org/incidents/incident_view_only_public.cfm?key=96.27336&myYear 05

http://www.ctchutes.com/Photos/Danaswims/



-Dana



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jbhart(at)onlyinternet.ne
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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 6:13 pm Post subject: lubrication on hinges

At 11:11 AM 11/30/08 -0800, you wrote:

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Or perhaps no one lubricates their hinges?



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Cristal,



I have tried to lubricate the hinges on my FireFly.  This is because the 

piano hinges on the left wing seem to take a beating from the propeller.  I 

stopped lubricating them, as it did not seem to help and it does make a 

mess.  I have replaced hinge pins on the inner left hinge twice and once in 

the middle hinge in about 250 hours.  The last time I bushed the hinges with 

a teflon tube and installed a smaller id hinge pin.  At this time I have 

over 15 hours on the repair and things look good.



If your pins are showing wear and the hinges rattle when the aileron is 

shook by hand, you may want to check out:



http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly143.html



Fly safe!



Jack B. Hart FF004

Winchester, IN

Thom Riddle

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1597
Location: Buffalo, NY, USA (9G0)

Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 4:42 am Post subject: lubrication on hinges

Jack,



Your Teflon tubing bushing should be a good fix. It is how Piper

Cherokee aileron hinges were built at the factory, at least that was

the our old '76 model was built.



Thom in Buffalo

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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 7:33 am Post subject: lubrication on hinges

WD-40®-which stands for Water Displacement perfected on the 40th try-is

still in use today.">>



Hi,

I always thought that the 40 stood for the fact that it was only good for 40 

days.. .  That couldn`t be right, could it?



Pat

Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:36 pm Post subject: lubrication on hinges

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cristalclear13" asked: << What is a good product to lubricate the aileron (flaperon) hinges? >>  

   

Hi, Cristal –  

   

You want to lubricate your aileron hinges with something that does NOT trap dirt particles (like oil would).  Oil in your hinges will entrap dust and dirt grains, causing increased wear on your soft aluminum hinges.  

   

Best product I’ve seen or heard about is a molybdenum-based lubrication.  You find it at bicycle stores for lubricating brake and shifter cables.  It’s a fine mineral powder in a liquid solution (it’s mixed in with an alcohol-like fluid).  The liquid dries up soon after you apply it, leaving behind only the lubricating powder.    

   

I use it on all my hinges, as well as inside the throttle & choke cables.  

   

Dennis Kirby  

Mark-III, 912ul, “Magic Bike”  

Cedar Crest, NM  

   

      

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slyck(at)frontiernet.net
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 3:21 pm Post subject: lubrication on hinges

good one Pat.

BB



On 1, Dec 2008, at 10:33 AM, pj.ladd wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 WD-40®-which stands for Water Displacement perfected on the 40th  

 try-is

 still in use today.">>



 Hi,

 I always thought that the 40 stood for the fact that it was only  

 good for 40 days.. .  That couldn`t be right, could it?



 Pat

russ(at)rkiphoto.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 4:00 pm Post subject: lubrication on hinges

Pat

I thought it was 40 minutes???

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On Dec 1, 2008, at 11:41 AM, robert bean wrote:



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 good one Pat.

 BB



 On 1, Dec 2008, at 10:33 AM, pj.ladd wrote:



> 

>

> WD-40®-which stands for Water Displacement perfected on the 40th  

> try-is

> still in use today.">>

>

> Hi,

> I always thought that the 40 stood for the fact that it was only  

> good for 40 days.. .  That couldn`t be right, could it?

>

> Pat

>

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