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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 4:47 am Post subject: Non building related Question - Hand guns

Does anybody know what is the legal rules for carrying a handgun on your person at airports and such.

I know handgun rules vary from state to state however i was wondering if anybody had any knowledge on this thought while flying privately?



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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 5:04 am Post subject: Non building related Question - Hand guns

On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 12:46:22PM +0000, Rich Simmons wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Does anybody know what is the legal rules for carrying a handgun on your

 person at airports and such. I know handgun rules vary from state to state

 however i was wondering if anybody had any knowledge on this thought while

 flying privately?


	


The laws of the states I've learned (Texas, Utah, and Minnesota) only

prohibit carrying handguns with a permit in the secured area of an airport.

That, of course, leaves the question of what a "secured area" is, exactly. I

expect that it means "the areas you have to go through security to get to",

but it's never been tested that I know of. The ramp at KFRM almost certainly

does not qualify.



Some airports post "no handguns allowed" signs at the pilot lounge and such.

Many do not follow the legal requirements for such signs, however. Whether

to carry into such places is your decision.



I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice. If it matters, find a lawyer

who's knowledgeable about gun laws in your jurisdiction.



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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 5:11 am Post subject: Non building related Question - Hand guns

Hi Rich,



I've been considering similar questions.  Let me tell you what little I know.



First, I am not aware of any difference between carrying a pistol at 

airports and other facilities.  There is a legal difference between 

carrying in one state vs. another.  Also, there is a huge difference 

between concealed carry and open carry.



In general, I believe open carry is protected by the  U.S. 

Constitution.  It might get you some unwanted attention from average 

citizens, but I doubt there would be any problem with law enforcement 

folks on this point.  Open carry is getting much more noticeable 

around here.  In many cases it is law enforcement people who are 

carrying in this fashion when they cross state lines.



Concealed carry generally (universally?) requires a state 

license.  These are easy to get in many states.  Also, when you have 

a licence in your home state it is honored in other states that have 

reciprocal agreements.  In my case, I have a Washington concealed 

pistol permit and it is honored in a number of other states.



One thing to consider - if you are not a felon, concealed carry is a 

minor misdemeanor (nearly?) everywhere.  If you behave properly it is 

very unlikely you will be charged with a crime even if you are 

"Caught" violating this rule.  I understand it is most likely that a 

law enforcement officer will either ignore a violation of this rule 

(for someone who could legally carry in another state).  If you are 

charged with this crime it usually results in a ticket similar to a 

speeding ticket.



Of course this discussion does not address the airline travel TSA 

fiefdom.  There are federal rules about carrying or even having guns 

in luggage on airliners.



I hope this helps.



Paul

Camas, WA

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At 04:46 AM 12/8/2008, you wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  Does anybody know what is the legal rules for carrying a handgun on 

your person at airports and such.

I know handgun rules vary from state to state however i was 

wondering if anybody had any knowledge on this thought while flying privately?



DO NOT ACHIEVE

tiethoff

Joined: 02 Sep 2008
Posts: 23

Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 6:00 am Post subject: Non building related Question - Hand guns

Why in the world should anybody carry a handgun ? Try grenades ! FAA 

aproved. Leaves no broken rivets. Only advantages ! Win win situation ! In 

Europe it is (thank God) forbidden to carry arms... Live safe and fly safe ! 

Greetings from Holland.



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 Does anybody know what is the legal rules for carrying a handgun on your 

 person at airports and such.

 I know handgun rules vary from state to state however i was wondering if 

 anybody had any knowledge on this thought while flying privately?



 DO NOT ACHIEVE



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jaybannist(at)cs.com
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 6:12 am Post subject: Non building related Question - Hand guns

Why in the world should anyone want to protect himself?  That is what the gov'ment is for? (Laughing my head off)  (:>)

 

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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 6:24 am Post subject: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns

Yeah, the gummint would LOVE everyone disarmed, that way they can more easily shove socialism (communism with patience) down everyone's throats. There's a reason the right to bear arms is allegedly protected by the Constitution, for good reason too. We're sliding down a slippery slope here in the US.



 	  jaybannist(at)cs.com wrote: 	
		  Why in the world should anyone want to protect himself?  That is what the gov'ment is for? (Laughing my head off)  (:>)

 

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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:22 am Post subject: Non building related Question - Hand guns

I would like those of you in this list who live in "socialist" countries (Canada, Spain, England and may be Australia) to tell me what it is that is so bad that make my fellow Americans so terrified of it. 



So far, I've been in Spain, England, France, Germany, Netherlands and Jersey Channel Island, and other than higher taxes and some other inconveniences, I still fail to see what make some people in the US to be sooo afraid of it, like living in an Orwellian society as portrayed in the movie 1984 or something of that nature. Ok, may be they are and I just been unable to realized as a tourist traveling and staying in the homes of locals and family members.



Sorry Andy, but I felt like stiring today.



William Dominguez

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Miami Florida

http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom



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--- On Mon, 12/8/08,  ashontz <ashontz(at)nbme.org> wrote:

[quote]From: ashontz <ashontz(at)nbme.org>

Subject: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns

To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 9:24 AM



[quote]--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ashontz"

<ashontz(at)nbme.org>



Yeah, the gummint would LOVE everyone disarmed, that way they can more easily

shove socialism (communism with patience) down everyone's throats.

There's a reason the right to bear arms is allegedly protected by the

Constitution, for good reason too. We're sliding down a slippery slope here

in the US.

jaybannist(at)cs.com wrote:

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		   Why in the world should anyone want to protect himself?  That is what the

gov'ment is for? (Laughing my head off)  (:>)
	


[quote]  

  Jay in Dallas

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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:26 am Post subject: Non building related Question - Hand guns

Federal law prohibits carrying of weapons in the security areas of  

airports (the areas you have to pass through metal detectors TSA  

screeners to get access to). All other areas of public airports are  

generally subject to the same state and local laws that are in effect  

outside the airport.



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 Does anybody know what is the legal rules for carrying a handgun on  

 your person at airports and such.

 I know handgun rules vary from state to state however i was  

 wondering if anybody had any knowledge on this thought while flying  

 privately?




	




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amyvega2005(at)earthlink.
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:31 am Post subject: Non building related Question - Hand guns

I have no rules that come to mind, I just do it, especialy in the plane, I have a folding mini 14,  flying over the everglades, it couldcome in handy.  As for the guy that says thank god there are no guns in Holland,    keep dreamin.

Juan



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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:46 am Post subject: Non building related Question - Hand guns

Bill,

 

 I am old and feeble.  I can't afford hanger rental.  You are young and able.  Since you seem to be big on socialism, I'm quite certain you would be honored to pay my hanger rental. Contact me off list and I'll tell you where to send the checks. 

 

 Jay

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William Dominguez

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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:56 am Post subject: Non building related Question - Hand guns

"As for the guy that says thank god there are no guns in Holland,    keep dreaming"



That guy must be really lost, by the way, who said that?



William Dominguez

Zodiac 601XL Plans

Miami Florida

http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom



--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Juan Vega <amyvega2005(at)earthlink.net> wrote:

[quote]From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005(at)earthlink.net>

Subject: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns

To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com, zenith-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 10:31 AM



[quote]--> Zenith-List message posted by: Juan Vega

<amyvega2005(at)earthlink.net>



I have no rules that come to mind, I just do it, especialy in the plane, I have

a folding mini 14,   flying over the everglades, it couldcome in handy.  As for

the guy that says thank god there are no guns in Holland,    keep dreamin.

Juan



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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 8:40 am Post subject: Non building related Question - Hand guns

You missed my point Jay.



William Dominguez

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Miami Florida

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--- On Mon, 12/8/08, jaybannist(at)cs.com <jaybannist(at)cs.com> wrote:

[quote]From: jaybannist(at)cs.com <jaybannist(at)cs.com>

Subject: Re: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns

To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 10:45 AM



  

 

   Bill,

 

 I am old and feeble.  I can't afford hanger rental.  You are young and able.  Since you seem to be big on socialism, I'm quite certain you would be honored to pay my hanger rental. Contact me off list and I'll tell you where to send the checks. 

 

 Jay

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Jeyoung65(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 8:41 am Post subject: Non building related Question - Hand guns

I would just like to ask for money to live on in the style I would like to  so sent me my weekly amount. Looking at about $40,00.00 for now. Jerry of  GA   Do not archive



  

  In a message dated 12/8/2008 10:47:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  jaybannist(at)cs.com writes:

 [quote]   



   Bill,



I am old and    feeble.  I can't afford hanger rental.  You are young and    able.  Since you seem to be big on socialism, I'm quite certain you would    be honored to pay my hanger rental. Contact me off list and I'll tell you    where to send the checks. 



Jay

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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 8:58 am Post subject: Non building related Question - Hand guns

Not to mention the fact that criminals prefer unarmed prey.

 

 best,

 Cory

 

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 ashontz wrote: [quote]    	  Quote: 	
		  --> Zenith-List message posted by: "ashontz" <ashontz(at)nbme.org> (ashontz(at)nbme.org)



Yeah, the gummint would LOVE everyone disarmed, that way they can more easily shove socialism (communism with patience) down everyone's throats. There's a reason the right to bear arms is allegedly protected by the Constitution, for good reason too. We're sliding down a slippery slope here in the US.

jaybannist(at)cs.com wrote:

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		  Why in the world should anyone want to protect himself?  That is what the gov'ment is for? (Laughing my head off)  (:>)

 

 Jay in Dallas

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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 9:06 am Post subject: Non building related Question - Hand guns

Hi, Bill! The following is a long post, and has nothing to so with Zenith aircraft, only the ability to continue to fly them in the US.



Rather than respond with "what's wrong with socialism," I'd prefer to answer with "what's right with America." I'm old enough to remember having good public schools, where kids with disruptive social problems were not allowed in the classroom, we recited the pledge every morning, and had comprehensive classes on American history that showcased the ideals that created this unique country.



If I recall correctly, America was founded on religious freedom, personal responsibility, and unlimited opportunity. The government was by the people, not a king or dictator. The citizens themselves determined their futures through their representitives, who would leave their own farms or businesses for a few years, serve their constituents, and then return to their homes. Career politicians hadn't been invented yet.



America has long been a burr under the saddle of many communist and socialist countries, attracting immigrants from all over the world who trade everything for a single shot at what our citizens all too often take for granted. America could never be conquered by foreign military force, so there's been a constant undermining of traditional American values and our unique culture over the past 50 years instead.



And every time we've embarked on some new shiny leftist government program that promises to be the solution to our social ills, we've dug ourselves deeper and deeper into debt and social unrest. Be it LBJ's Great Society, Affirmative Action, the American Disabilities Act, Women's Liberation, Gay Liberation, the Community Reinvestment Act, the EPA, the NEA, or even the TSA, we've only succeeded in removing the commonality we once felt as proud Americans and divided Americans into balkanized victim/grievance groups who now view each other with distrust. And our government, who we've traditionally had faith in to be fair and even handed, now views its citizens as mere rabble, whose only value is as a source of income and votes every now and then. Every time I stand in an airport security line, I wonder about the promise of "innocent until proven guilty." Now it's the other way around.



It's sad. The whole point of the civil rights movement in the mid 60s was to make race a non-issue. Instead, we've made race, gender, ethnic or religious backgrounds, sexual orientation, and handicaps bargaining chips for societal handouts. Toss in the hugely divisive Vietnam war, media glorification of thuggery, several generations of kids who've been dumbed down and robbed of their proud heritage in public schools, and we have a country at odds with itself, ripe for the pickin'.



But there's still a few of us left who will not go along quietly. We know that the second amendment is the one that guarantees all the others, we know that the responsibility of personal safety and defense cannot be subcontracted out, and we know that this country belongs to its citizens. It is not a plaything for those who fancy themselves smarter or better that the people they purport to "serve."



Americans are richly blessed to have inherited a legacy of freedom that their forefathers have bled and died for. And it's up to us to protect it, and hand it down to our children and their children.



I'll take an imperfect free America over perfect socialism any day. The sovereignty of the individual Amercian is priceless.



Aim small, miss small.



Rick Lindstrom

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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 9:15 am Post subject: Non building related Question - Hand guns

Up until a few years ago, you were required to have a firearm as part of 

your emergency kit in Alaska.



Most people carried pistols, which leads to the old joke: "Why do you 

file the front sight off of a 357 Magnum pistol?"



The answer is "So that it doesn't hurt so much when the bear shoves it 

up your  a**".



Walter from Anchorage - working on 701 Right Wing



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Rich Simmons wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Does anybody know what is the legal rules for carrying a handgun on your person at airports and such.

 I know handgun rules vary from state to state however i was wondering if anybody had any knowledge on this thought while flying privately?



 DO NOT ACHIEVE



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 Thanks,

 Rich Simmons

eldenej(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 9:30 am Post subject: Non building related Question - Hand guns

Someone (or a number of someones) has been watching too many Dirty Harry movies. There are other forums much better suited to these witless discussions; let's return to building airplanes.

 

Elden J.

xl/3300

--- On Tue, 12/9/08, Cory Emberson <bootless(at)earthlink.net> wrote:



From: Cory Emberson <bootless(at)earthlink.net>

Subject: Re: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns

To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 12:56 AM

Not to mention the fact that criminals prefer unarmed prey.



best,

Cory



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ashontz wrote: 




Yeah, the gummint would LOVE everyone disarmed, that way they can more easily shove socialism (communism with patience) down everyone's throats. There's a reason the right to bear arms is allegedly protected by the Constitution, for good reason too. We're sliding down a slippery slope here in the US

William Dominguez

Joined: 09 Apr 2008
Posts: 118

Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 9:53 am Post subject: Non building related Question - Hand guns

Hi Rick,



Thanks for a very thoughtful post Rick. However, let me clarify that my original point was about irrational fears and not about European socialism vs. American capitalism. After all, America is not purely capitalistic and Europe is not purely socialistic.

William Dominguez

Zodiac 601XL Plans

Miami Florida

http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom  

 



--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick(at)mindspring.com> wrote:

[quote]From: Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick(at)mindspring.com>

Subject: Re: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns

To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 12:06 PM



[quote]--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick  Lindstrom

<tigerrick(at)mindspring.com>



Hi, Bill! The following is a long post, and has nothing to so with Zenith

aircraft, only the ability to continue to fly them in the US.



Rather than respond with "what's wrong with socialism," I'd

prefer to answer with "what's right with America." I'm old

enough to remember having good public schools, where kids with disruptive social

problems were not allowed in the classroom, we recited the pledge every morning,

and had comprehensive classes on American history that showcased the ideals that

created this unique country.



If I recall correctly, America was founded on religious freedom, personal

responsibility, and unlimited opportunity. The government was by the people, not

a king or dictator. The citizens themselves determined their futures through

their representitives, who would leave their own farms or businesses for a few

years, serve their constituents,  and then return to their homes. Career

politicians hadn't been invented yet.



America has long been a burr under the saddle of many communist and socialist

countries, attracting immigrants from all over the world who trade everything

for a single shot at what our citizens all too often take for granted. America

could never be conquered by foreign military force, so there's been a

constant undermining of traditional American values and our unique culture over

the past 50 years instead.



And every time we've embarked on some new shiny leftist government program

that promises to be the solution to our social ills, we've dug ourselves

deeper and deeper into debt and social unrest. Be it LBJ's Great Society,

Affirmative Action, the American Disabilities Act, Women's Liberation, Gay

Liberation, the Community Reinvestment Act, the EPA, the NEA, or even the TSA,

we've only succeeded in removing the commonality we  once felt as proud

Americans and divided Americans into balkanized victim/grievance groups who now

view each other with distrust. And our government, who we've traditionally

had faith in to be fair and even handed, now views its citizens as mere rabble,

whose only value is as a source of income and votes every now and then. Every

time I stand in an airport security line, I wonder about the promise of

"innocent until proven guilty." Now it's the other way around.



It's sad. The whole point of the civil rights movement in the mid 60s was

to make race a non-issue. Instead, we've made race, gender, ethnic or

religious backgrounds, sexual orientation, and handicaps bargaining chips for

societal handouts. Toss in the hugely divisive Vietnam war, media glorification

of thuggery, several generations of kids who've been dumbed down and robbed

of their proud heritage in public schools, and we have a country at odds  with

itself, ripe for the pickin'.



But there's still a few of us left who will not go along quietly. We know

that the second amendment is the one that guarantees all the others, we know

that the responsibility of personal safety and defense cannot be subcontracted

out, and we know that this country belongs to its citizens. It is not a

plaything for those who fancy themselves smarter or better that the people they

purport to "serve."



Americans are richly blessed to have inherited a legacy of freedom that their

forefathers have bled and died for. And it's up to us to protect it, and

hand it down to our children and their children.



I'll take an imperfect free America over perfect socialism any day. The

sovereignty of the individual Amercian is priceless.



Aim small, miss small.



Rick Lindstrom

N42KP



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ashontz

Joined: 27 Dec 2006
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:08 am Post subject: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns

I'll take a free check too please. LOL As long as I don't have to sacrifice my civil liberties. Wait a second, I guess alleged security and sacrifice of liberties go hand in hand. Nevermind. If I can get that redistributed wealth though, or at least my own wealth distributed back to me that would be great Last I checked, between what's taken out of my pay plus all the taxes and fees I have to pay after the fact that's about half my income. I'd like that back thanks.



[quote="Jeyoung65(at)aol.com"]I would just like to ask for money to live on in the style I would like to  so sent me my weekly amount. Looking at about $40,00.00 for now. Jerry of  GA   Do not archive



  

  In a message dated 12/8/2008 10:47:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  jaybannist(at)cs.com writes:

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   Bill,



I am old and    feeble.  I can't afford hanger rental.  You are young and    able.  Since you seem to be big on socialism, I'm quite certain you would    be honored to pay my hanger rental. Contact me off list and I'll tell you    where to send the checks. 



Jay

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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:12 am Post subject: Re: Non building related Question - Hand guns

Rick, you wouldn't happen to be one of those tin-foil hat wearing types like me that believes that believes that maybe, just maybe, the UN and CFR along with Al Gore types can go sh!t in their flat hats and put it down over their ears, would you?



Granted, Al Gore has a point, our carbon emissions are so bad, we're even managing to melt the polar caps on Mars. Believe me, that's  bad. LOL



 	  tigerrick(at)mindspring.c wrote: 	
		  Hi, Bill! The following is a long post, and has nothing to so with Zenith aircraft, only the ability to continue to fly them in the US.



Rather than respond with "what's wrong with socialism," I'd prefer to answer with "what's right with America." I'm old enough to remember having good public schools, where kids with disruptive social problems were not allowed in the classroom, we recited the pledge every morning, and had comprehensive classes on American history that showcased the ideals that created this unique country.



If I recall correctly, America was founded on religious freedom, personal responsibility, and unlimited opportunity. The government was by the people, not a king or dictator. The citizens themselves determined their futures through their representitives, who would leave their own farms or businesses for a few years, serve their constituents, and then return to their homes. Career politicians hadn't been invented yet.



America has long been a burr under the saddle of many communist and socialist countries, attracting immigrants from all over the world who trade everything for a single shot at what our citizens all too often take for granted. America could never be conquered by foreign military force, so there's been a constant undermining of traditional American values and our unique culture over the past 50 years instead.



And every time we've embarked on some new shiny leftist government program that promises to be the solution to our social ills, we've dug ourselves deeper and deeper into debt and social unrest. Be it LBJ's Great Society, Affirmative Action, the American Disabilities Act, Women's Liberation, Gay Liberation, the Community Reinvestment Act, the EPA, the NEA, or even the TSA, we've only succeeded in removing the commonality we once felt as proud Americans and divided Americans into balkanized victim/grievance groups who now view each other with distrust. And our government, who we've traditionally had faith in to be fair and even handed, now views its citizens as mere rabble, whose only value is as a source of income and votes every now and then. Every time I stand in an airport security line, I wonder about the promise of "innocent until proven guilty." Now it's the other way around.



It's sad. The whole point of the civil rights movement in the mid 60s was to make race a non-issue. Instead, we've made race, gender, ethnic or religious backgrounds, sexual orientation, and handicaps bargaining chips for societal handouts. Toss in the hugely divisive Vietnam war, media glorification of thuggery, several generations of kids who've been dumbed down and robbed of their proud heritage in public schools, and we have a country at odds with itself, ripe for the pickin'.



But there's still a few of us left who will not go along quietly. We know that the second amendment is the one that guarantees all the others, we know that the responsibility of personal safety and defense cannot be subcontracted out, and we know that this country belongs to its citizens. It is not a plaything for those who fancy themselves smarter or better that the people they purport to "serve."



Americans are richly blessed to have inherited a legacy of freedom that their forefathers have bled and died for. And it's up to us to protect it, and hand it down to our children and their children.



I'll take an imperfect free America over perfect socialism any day. The sovereignty of the individual Amercian is priceless.



Aim small, miss small.



Rick Lindstrom

N42KP



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