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Paul A. Franz, P.E.

Joined: 02 Dec 2008
Posts: 280
Location: Bellevue WA

Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:07 am Post subject: incandescent lights as heaters

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		   Light bulbs are too dangerous, IMHO, and too hard to manipulate from the

 bottom of the cowl.


	


Incandescent bulbs can't be purchased in the US anymore anyhow. I certainly agree

about being dangerous. A single drop of water will break one and if there is fuel

residue, then you have a fire.



-- 

Paul A. Franz

Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT

Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP

Bellevue WA

425.241.1618 Cell

_________________
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Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
425.440.9505 Office

Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:21 pm Post subject: incandescent lights as heaters

W...H...A...T...?  They can't be purchased? That's news to me...I  

could have sworn....well, I just verified that at my local hardware I  

can still buy incandescent bulbs, but they don't know for how many  

more years. That may be a west coast thing, Paul?



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062, 593hrs

Sensenich 62x46

flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition  

system;

also building a new pair of snow skis

do not archive



On Dec 11, 2008, at 2:05 PM, Paul Franz - Merlin GT wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 <paul(at)eucleides.com>



> Light bulbs are too dangerous, IMHO, and too hard to manipulate  

> from the

> bottom of the cowl.



 Incandescent bulbs can't be purchased in the US anymore anyhow. I  

 certainly agree

 about being dangerous. A single drop of water will break one and if  

 there is fuel

 residue, then you have a fire.



 -- 

 Paul A. Franz

 Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT

 Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP

 Bellevue WA

 425.241.1618 Cell

_________________
Lynn
Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

patreilly43(at)hotmail.co
Guest

Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:40 pm Post subject: incandescent lights as heaters

Lynn C I think I read WA and CA were trying to secede from the union. Maybe they already have. CA has a German governor and some thing about the people on the west coast aren't white C black C yellow or brown anymore C something about they were turning green. I think this light bulb thing has something to do with that.

  

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 Pat Reilly

  

 



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		   From: lynnmatt(at)jps.net

 Subject: Re: RE: incandescent lights as heaters

 Date: Thu C 11 Dec 2008 16:20:58 -0500

 To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

 

 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net>

 

 W...H...A...T...? They can't be purchased? That's news to me...I 

 could have sworn....well C I just verified that at my local hardware I 

 can still buy incandescent bulbs C but they don't know for how many 

 more years. That may be a west coast thing C Paul?

 

 Lynn Matteson

 Kitfox IV Speedster C taildragger

 Jabiru 2200 C #2062 C 593hrs

 Sensenich 62x46

 flying again after rebuild C and new Electroair direct-fire ignition 

 system;

 also building a new pair of snow skis

 do not archive

 

 

 

 On Dec 11 C 2008 C at 2:05 PM C Paul Franz - Merlin GT wrote:

 

 > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Franz - Merlin GT" 

 > <paul(at)eucleides.com>

 >

 >> Light bulbs are too dangerous C IMHO C and too hard to manipulate 

 >> from the

 >> bottom of the cowl.

 >

 > Incandescent bulbs can't be purchased in the US anymore anyhow. I 

 > certainly agree

 > about being dangerous. A single drop of water will break one and if 

 > there is fuel

 > residue C then you have a fire.

 >

 > -- 

 > Paul A. Franz

 > Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT

 > Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP

 > Bellevue WA

 > 425.241.1618 Cell

 >

 >

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Paul A. Franz, P.E.

Joined: 02 Dec 2008
Posts: 280
Location: Bellevue WA

Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:18 pm Post subject: incandescent lights as heaters

On Thu, December 11, 2008 1:20 pm, Lynn Matteson wrote:

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 W...H...A...T...?  They can't be purchased? That's news to me...I

 could have sworn....well, I just verified that at my local hardware I

 can still buy incandescent bulbs, but they don't know for how many

 more years. That may be a west coast thing, Paul?


	


Maybe so, but they haven't been available here for a few years. I thought it was

nationwide and that the only ones being sold were to clear out inventory. The date for

that passed here sometime in 2006.



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Paul A. Franz, P.E.

PAF Consulting Engineers

Office 425.440.9505

Cell 425.241.1618

_________________
Paul A. Franz, P.E.
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
425.440.9505 Office

Paul A. Franz, P.E.

Joined: 02 Dec 2008
Posts: 280
Location: Bellevue WA

Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:31 pm Post subject: incandescent lights as heaters

On Thu, December 11, 2008 1:39 pm, patrick reilly wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  

 Lynn, I think I read WA and CA were trying to secede from the union. Maybe they

 already have. CA has a German governor and some thing about the people on the west

 coast aren't white, black, yellow or brown anymore, something about they were turning

 green. I think this light bulb thing has something to do with that.


	


Don't leave OR out. They are every bit as left wing liberal extreme as CA and WA. It

really sucks for sure. New CA emissions are going to cost me $12k per trailer to

retrofit the Reefer engines for compliance or don't haul from or through the state

after Jan 1. OR road use taxes are 13.66 cents per mile for diesel powered commercial

vehicles. That translates to 70 cents per gallon fuel tax making it double the cost of

any other state.



-- 

Paul A. Franz

Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT

Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP

Bellevue WA

425.241.1618 Cell

_________________
Paul A. Franz, P.E.
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
425.440.9505 Office

Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:53 pm Post subject: incandescent lights as heaters

Interesting....I left California in 2001, and hadn't heard of this at  

that point. Of course, Cal. is always ahead of the rest of us for  

better OR worse.



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062, 595+ hrs

Sensenich 62x46

flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition  

system;

also building a new pair of snow skis

do not archive



On Dec 11, 2008, at 6:18 PM, Paul A. Franz, P.E. wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 <paul(at)eucleides.com>

 On Thu, December 11, 2008 1:20 pm, Lynn Matteson wrote:

> 

>

> W...H...A...T...?  They can't be purchased? That's news to me...I

> could have sworn....well, I just verified that at my local hardware I

> can still buy incandescent bulbs, but they don't know for how many

> more years. That may be a west coast thing, Paul?



 Maybe so, but they haven't been available here for a few years. I  

 thought it was

 nationwide and that the only ones being sold were to clear out  

 inventory. The date for

 that passed here sometime in 2006.



 -- 

 Paul A. Franz, P.E.

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Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

patreilly43(at)hotmail.co
Guest

Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:57 pm Post subject: incandescent lights as heaters

Paul C Sorry C I thought about including OR C but didn't. The rest of us would be a hell of alot better if those 3 states just slid into the sea along with the people that run them. And C it is too bad because that area is so beautiful. I think the northern 1/2 of the other coast isn't any better. I know this is off topic. I won't mention it again.

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 Pat Reilly

 	  Quote: 	
		   Date: Thu C 11 Dec 2008 15:31:07 -0800

 Subject: RE: RE: incandescent lights as heaters

 From: paul(at)eucleides.com

 To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Franz - Merlin GT" <paul(at)eucleides.com>

 On Thu C December 11 C 2008 1:39 pm C patrick reilly wrote:

 >

 > Lynn C I think I read WA and CA were trying to secede from the union. Maybe they

 > already have. CA has a German governor and some thing about the people on the west

 > coast aren't white C black C yellow or brown anymore C something about they were turning

 > green. I think this light bulb thing has something to do with that.

 Don't leave OR out. They are every bit as left wing liberal extreme as CA and WA. It

 really sucks for sure. New CA emissions are going to cost me $12k per trailer to

 retrofit the Reefer engines for compliance or don't haul from or through the state

 after Jan 1. OR road use taxes are 13.66 cents per mile for diesel powered commercial

 vehicles. That translates to 70 cents per gallon fuel tax making it double the cost of

 any other state.

 -- 

 Paul A. Franz

 Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT

 Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP

 Bellevue WA

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lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net
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Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:46 pm Post subject: incandescent lights as heaters

Just got back from the local Home Depot.  Lots of incandescent bulbs there. 

So it isn't CA.



Lowell



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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:36 pm Post subject: incandescent lights as heaters

NOT California?...man, that's a shocker!  How did California let  

another state beat them to banning something first? I say that with  

only a teeny amount of jest...the rest is pure scorn.

Example:  I lived in Yolo county, where a certain type of paint  

thinner (can't recall) was banned, but it was readily available for a  

14 mile drive across the river to Sacramento in Sacramento County.  

The hypocrisy was ridiculous in that atmosphere, and I stayed long  

enough to earn a small pension, then bailed....I learned MY hypocrisy  

from the experts. 



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062, 595+ hrs

Sensenich 62x46

flying again after rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition  

system;

also building a new pair of snow skis

do not archive



On Dec 11, 2008, at 8:41 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 <lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net>



 Just got back from the local Home Depot.  Lots of incandescent  

 bulbs there. So it isn't CA.



 Lowell

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Float Flyr

Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 2704
Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:16 pm Post subject: incandescent lights as heaters

Wal-Mart has thousands of them...  They also have the compact fluorescent

but I haven't seen too many of the LED replacement bulbs.  This isn't the US

but all their stuff gets here via the US.



Noel



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Paul A. Franz, P.E.

Joined: 02 Dec 2008
Posts: 280
Location: Bellevue WA

Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:16 pm Post subject: incandescent lights as heaters

On Thu, December 11, 2008 5:41 pm, Lowell Fitt wrote:

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 Just got back from the local Home Depot.  Lots of incandescent bulbs there.

 So it isn't CA.


	


You're right, they are still legal for another year in CA.



<http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/01/how_many_legisl.html>

<http://news.mongabay.com/2007/0131-ca.html>



They're gone for the whole US by 2014.



<http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59298>



They're gone completely in my State of WA now. This article says 100 W bulbs but no

incandescents can be found in the grocery stores, Lowes or Home Depot now.



<http://michellemalkin.com/2007/12/19/incandescent-stupidity-washington-outlaws-100-watt-lightbulbs/>



More analyses here:

<http://www.envirodebate.net/Media.asp?qsForumId=19>



-- 

Paul A. Franz

Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT

Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP

Bellevue WA

425.241.1618 Cell

_________________
Paul A. Franz, P.E.
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
425.440.9505 Office

Guy Buchanan

Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Posts: 1204
Location: Ramona, CA

Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:51 pm Post subject: incandescent lights as heaters

At 03:57 PM 12/11/2008, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  The rest of us would be a hell of alot better if those 3 states just 

slid into the sea along with the people that run them. And, it is 

too bad because that area is so beautiful. I think the northern 1/2 

of the other coast isn't any better. I know this is off topic. I 

won't mention it again.


	


Good idea Pat. Let's get this thread on a Kitfox topic, and off the 

politics, please. (Feel free to take the politics off-line, though.)



Thanks,

Guy Buchanan, Kitfox List Moderator

San Diego, CA

K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.

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