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william(at)gbta.net
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:10 am Post subject: fly droppings

My project sat uncovered in my garage this summer  and to say the least, the flies got to parts of my tailcone/elevators.  I  cannot seem to find anything to take the fly droppings off the aluminum short of  a 3m grinding wheel.  I haven't sold myself on that idea yet because the  whole surface of one of my elevators is spotted and I don't want to grind the  whole thing down for several reasons.

  

 Does anybody know of a quick easy way to remove fly  droppings or is there such a thing???

  

 Bill

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Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:31 am Post subject: fly droppings

Did they etch the aluminum or are they just glued to the  surface really well?

  

 Phil

  

  



   From: Bill Britton [mailto:william(at)gbta.net]  

Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 10:11 AM

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Subject: fly  droppings

 

 My project sat uncovered in my garage this summer  and to say the least, the flies got to parts of my tailcone/elevators.  I  cannot seem to find anything to take the fly droppings off the aluminum short of  a 3m grinding wheel.  I haven't sold myself on that idea yet because the  whole surface of one of my elevators is spotted and I don't want to grind the  whole thing down for several reasons.

  

 Does anybody know of a quick easy way to remove fly  droppings or is there such a thing???

  

 Bill

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jcumins(at)jcis.net
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:53 am Post subject: fly droppings

Bill  

   

Try MEK  that will not harm the alum.  

     

John G. Cumins  

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JC'S Interactive Systems  

2499 B1 Martin Rd  

Fairfield Ca 94533  

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707-425-7576 Fax  

   

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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Britton

 Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 8:11 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: fly droppings  

  

     

My project sat uncovered in my garage this summer and to say the least, the flies got to parts of my tailcone/elevators.  I cannot seem to find anything to take the fly droppings off the aluminum short of a 3m grinding wheel.  I haven't sold myself on that idea yet because the whole surface of one of my elevators is spotted and I don't want to grind the whole thing down for several reasons.  

    

   

    

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Lew Gallagher

Joined: 04 Jan 2008
Posts: 402
Location: Greenville , SC

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:12 am Post subject: Re: fly droppings

Bill,



Fly droppings?  Spiders leave nasty crap, but fly droppings is new to me!  With bug poop on cars, not aluminum, I've about rubbed through paint, metal etc. with all kinds of solvents before I tried just soap and water (not purple power and such that oxidizes aluminum very quickly), and it comes right off.  Blood too -- another story or two.



Later, - Lew

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jeff(at)westcottpress.com
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:15 am Post subject: fly droppings

a little alumaprep quickly rinsed off should do the trick



wow.



we've pretty much covered everything on this list now.

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On Dec 12, 2008, at 8:10 AM, Bill Britton wrote:

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		  My project sat uncovered in my garage this summer and to say the least, the flies got to parts of my tailcone/elevators.  I cannot seem to find anything to take the fly droppings off the aluminum short of a 3m grinding wheel.  I haven't sold myself on that idea yet because the whole surface of one of my elevators is spotted and I don't want to grind the whole thing down for several reasons.

 

Does anybody know of a quick easy way to remove fly droppings or is there such a thing???

 

Bill

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daveleikam(at)wi.rr.com
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:51 am Post subject: fly droppings

Try a small amount of metal polish like "Flitz" or  even an auto paint polish.

  

 Dave Leikam

RV-10 #40496

N89DA  (Reserved)

Muskego, WI



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william(at)gbta.net
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:55 am Post subject: fly droppings

Yeah, I know.  It's a little embarassing that  I let it happen, but I did.  I've tried the MEK and that didn't do  it.  I guess I haven't tried just warm water and soap (not sure  why--probably the same part of my brain that let it happen in the first  place).  Somebody asked if it etched the aluminum, I'm not sure but it's  pretty damn hard to get rid of!!!  I'll try the water/soap (however, I have  my doubts) and see what happens.  

  

 While on the subject, I've thought about using  shrink wrap on my finished parts before but have never tried it.  Anybody  got any input on doing this.  Not sure if it would make the interior air  tight or not (moisture wise--good or bad).

  

 Thanks for the ideas but keep them coming.  I  don't have any alumaprep.  where's the best place to get a little bit of  it???

  

 Bill

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Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 10:08 am Post subject: fly droppings

Hey Bill,

 

I was the one who asked about it etching.  This is what I'd try.

 

Get a bath towel that is completely drenched in water and lay it on the

surface for a couple of hours.  That'll let it soak without making a

mess of your plane or your floor.  Then see if that soaking will soften

it up enough to wipe off.

 

Sounds like we need to be using fly poop instead of flox!  

 

Phil

 

 

 



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From: Bill Britton [mailto:william(at)gbta.net] 

Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 11:55 AM

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: fly droppings

Yeah, I know.  It's a little embarassing that I let it happen, but I

did.  I've tried the MEK and that didn't do it.  I guess I haven't tried

just warm water and soap (not sure why--probably the same part of my

brain that let it happen in the first place).  Somebody asked if it

etched the aluminum, I'm not sure but it's pretty damn hard to get rid

of!!!  I'll try the water/soap (however, I have my doubts) and see what

happens.  

 

While on the subject, I've thought about using shrink wrap on my

finished parts before but have never tried it.  Anybody got any input on

doing this.  Not sure if it would make the interior air tight or not

(moisture wise--good or bad).

 

Thanks for the ideas but keep them coming.  I don't have any alumaprep.

where's the best place to get a little bit of it???

 

Bill



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n223rv(at)wolflakeairport
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 10:10 am Post subject: fly droppings

Try the Simple Green made for aluminum. The droppings are dried up, so you may have to let them soak a bit to soften them. 

From: Bill Britton <william(at)gbta.net>

Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 11:10 AM

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RV10-List: fly droppings

My project sat uncovered in my garage this summer and to say the least, the flies got to parts of my tailcone/elevators.  I cannot seem to find anything to take the fly droppings off the aluminum short of a 3m grinding wheel.  I haven't sold myself on that idea yet because the whole surface of one of my elevators is spotted and I don't want to grind the whole thing down for several reasons.

Does anybody know of a quick easy way to remove fly droppings or is there such a thing???

Bill

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AV8ORJWC

Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 1149
Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 10:55 am Post subject: fly droppings

Organics are best dissolved with the universal solvent - Water.  On my fiberglass boat, spiders found the ceiling of the boathouse conducive to long term residency.  A mild solution of Simple Green with copious amounts of water made a difference.    

   

On vinyl, the problem became more acute.  The residue changed the white vinyl color.  

   

On aluminum, the droppings proved to be Highly Acidic.  Anodized parts seemed to be slightly better protected. The copious water flush can remove the solids.  On a microscopic level (NDT),The acidic crater can lead to primer and topcoat separation in extreme cases.  Alumaprep/Prepsolv is one course of cleaning.  Polishing compound which removes the acids and pitted metal in the crater is another.  Alclad is the substrate we are talking about.  Aluminum oxides rapidly in heat and humid locations along with the air.  All of us should be able to visually determine when the pure aluminum is gone and we are down to the base metal (with copper alloy).  It is also good to know just how shallow the pure aluminum is on the skin.  Lots of builders scotchbrite away simple abrasions (during the course of a build) and with it goes the pure oxidized aluminum protection.  Months later, the goal is to prep some more Alclad in the topcoat process which was already down to minimums.  

   

Cessna had a problem a few years ago with filiform corrosion and little separation dots all over the upper surfaces of the wings.  Turned out the aircraft were parked overnight during the summer awaiting Topcoat.  The higher acidic rain/dew in the Midwest coupled by flights of insects at night, left a mark which did not show till years later in the paint.  That all took place with standard preparation procedures not looking for organic trails.  

   

Your topcoat professional can embrace the needed action to warrant his craftsmanship.  Be sure and mention the issue in writing so as to share the journey.  

   

For the rest of us, cheap plastic painters tarps can save endless hours of cleanup and dust abrasion.  My heart goes out to you Bill…. good luck.  

   

Good luck.  

   

John Cox - KUAO  

   

do not archive  

       

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil

 Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 10:06 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: fly droppings  

  

  

   

Hey Bill,  

   

I was the one who asked about it etching.  This is what I'd try.  

   

Get a bath towel that is completely drenched in water and lay it on the surface for a couple of hours.  That'll let it soak without making a mess of your plane or your floor.  Then see if that soaking will soften it up enough to wipe off.  

   

Sounds like we need to be using fly poop instead of flox!    

   

Phil  

   

       

  

From: Bill Britton [mailto:william(at)gbta.net] 

 Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 11:55 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: fly droppings    

Yeah, I know.  It's a little embarrassing that I let it happen, but I did.  I've tried the MEK and that didn't do it.  I guess I haven't tried just warm water and soap (not sure why--probably the same part of my brain that let it happen in the first place).  Somebody asked if it etched the aluminum, I'm not sure but it's pretty damn hard to get rid of!!!  I'll try the water/soap (however, I have my doubts) and see what happens.    

    

   

    

While on the subject, I've thought about using shrink wrap on my finished parts before but have never tried it.  Anybody got any input on doing this.  Not sure if it would make the interior air tight or not (moisture wise--good or bad).  

    

   

    

Thanks for the ideas but keep them coming.  I don't have any alumaprep.  where's the best place to get a little bit of it???  

    

   

    

Bill  

  [quote]          

On Dec 12, 2008, at 8:10 AM, Bill Britton wrote:  

  



 

     

My project sat uncovered in my garage this summer and to say the least, the flies got to parts of my tailcone/elevators.  I cannot seem to find anything to take the fly droppings off the aluminum short of a 3m grinding wheel.  I haven't sold myself on that idea yet because the whole surface of one of my elevators is spotted and I don't want to grind the whole thing down for several reasons.  

    

   

    

Does anybody know of a quick easy way to remove fly droppings or is there such a thing???  

    

   

    

Bill  

  

  

  

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william(at)gbta.net
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 12:10 pm Post subject: fly droppings

Well, water and a little soap did the trick.   Not sure why I didn't ever try it before but I didn't.  Anyway, I hope  there's not any acids left that will cause problems down the road but I will be  sure to mention it to whomever ends up painting the plane.  Rest assured, I  will not let it happen again.  By the way I did consider the wet  towel.  It was my next move if the warm water didn't work.

  

 Now, as long as one of you brainiacs doesn't tell  me that dawn dish soap eats aluminum, I feel better.

  

 Thanks again,

 Bill

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scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.co
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 12:39 pm Post subject: fly droppings

More info on the web about this.  This is a serious problem and should probably take precedence over the auto-makers bail out plan. 

Scott Schmidtscottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com



From: Bill Britton <william(at)gbta.net>

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 1:07:31 PM

Subject: Re: fly droppings



           Well, water and a little soap did the trick.   Not sure why I didn't ever try it before but I didn't.  Anyway, I hope  there's not any acids left that will cause problems down the road but I will be  sure to mention it to whomever ends up painting the plane.  Rest assured, I  will not let it happen again.  By the way I did consider the wet  towel.  It was my next move if the warm water didn't work.

  

 Now, as long as one of you brainiacs doesn't tell  me that dawn dish soap eats aluminum, I feel better.

  

 Thanks again,

 Bill

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AV8ORJWC

Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 1149
Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:58 pm Post subject: fly droppings

Fly droppings, spiders, gnats, it's all organic.  Most but not all soaps

are alkaline in pH and hence help neutralize acidic.  However, the

"Brainiacs" would tell you to know your detergents.  Hydrogen

Embrittlement is the buzzword.  Steel fasteners that are cadmium plated

tend to suffer if the wrong cleaner is used.  Hence the development of

Simple Green "Aviation approved". 



 



Water with approved cleaners can go a long way towards remediation.

Plastic sheeting is a great preventative.



 



John Cox



 



From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com

[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt

Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 12:36 PM

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: fly droppings



 



Scott Schmidt

scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com



 



 



________________________________



From: Bill Britton <william(at)gbta.net>

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 1:07:31 PM

Subject: Re: fly droppings



Well, water and a little soap did the trick.  Not sure why I didn't ever

try it before but I didn't.  Anyway, I hope there's not any acids left

that will cause problems down the road but I will be sure to mention it

to whomever ends up painting the plane.  Rest assured, I will not let it

happen again.  By the way I did consider the wet towel.  It was my next

move if the warm water didn't work.



 



Now, as long as one of you brainiacs doesn't tell me that dawn dish soap

eats aluminum, I feel better.



 



Thanks again,



Bill



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greghale

Joined: 10 Jan 2007
Posts: 91
Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:23 pm Post subject: Re: fly droppings

WD-40 works wonders.  I use it to take off dried up bugs on my leading edge.



Greg...

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www.nwacaptain.com

speckter(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:55 pm Post subject: fly droppings

I protected my finished parts with stretch wrap for about 1 year with good success.  I can’t speak to longer but it didn’t appear to be a problem.  

   

Gary Specketer  

40274 Flying  

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Henry

 Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 7:32 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: fly droppings  

  

   

The question was asked earlier and I think I might have missed the response.  Does anybody use stretch wrap to protect their completed pieces?  I am leaving mine in a buddy’s hanger but would like to stretch wrap them in an effort to protect them from the elements and/or critters.  Would hate to unwrap them in a year or two and see them completely destroyed for some reason.  I do remove all of the protective blue film prior to putting them away.  Heard that on a suggestion earlier last summer which makes sense.  

   

Chuck Henry  

       

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox

 Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 4:58 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: fly droppings  

  

  

   

Fly droppings, spiders, gnats, it's all organic.  Most but not all soaps are alkaline in pH and hence help neutralize acidic.  However, the "Brainiacs" would tell you to know your detergents.  Hydrogen Embrittlement is the buzzword.  Steel fasteners that are cadmium plated tend to suffer if the wrong cleaner is used.  Hence the development of Simple Green "Aviation approved".   

   

Water with approved cleaners can go a long way towards remediation.  Plastic sheeting is a great preventative.  

   

John Cox  

       

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt

 Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 12:36 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: fly droppings  

  

  

     

Scott Schmidt

 scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com    

   

    

           

  

  

From: Bill Britton <william(at)gbta.net>

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 1:07:31 PM

 Subject: Re: fly droppings    

Well, water and a little soap did the trick.  Not sure why I didn't ever try it before but I didn't.  Anyway, I hope there's not any acids left that will cause problems down the road but I will be sure to mention it to whomever ends up painting the plane.  Rest assured, I will not let it happen again.  By the way I did consider the wet towel.  It was my next move if the warm water didn't work.  

    

   

    

Now, as long as one of you brainiacs doesn't tell me that dawn dish soap eats aluminum, I feel better.  

    

   

    

Thanks again,  

    

Bill  

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