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 Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 6:46 am Post subject: GX60/MX20 monthly - require Logbook entry? |
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Folks,
I get monthly Jeppesen updates for my GX60 and MX20 GPS map displays. Am I
required to log the software revision and install date in the aircraft
logbook? If so, What would the entr look like?
Thanks,
Ralph
RV6A N822AR 0hrs getting ready for refresher training and waiting for the
weather......
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| Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 7:15 am Post subject: GX60/MX20 monthly - require Logbook entry? |
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Ralph, I also have a GX60 & MX20 but have not updated them for over 2 years.
When I last checked the cost was pretty high, is this better now?
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recapen(at)earthlink.net
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| Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 7:28 am Post subject: GX60/MX20 monthly - require Logbook entry? |
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Tim,
The cost is still astronomical! The only reason I'm doing it is I'm
planning to get my IFR training and ticket in my 6A.
If you decide to start updating them on a regular basis, the first thing
you'll need is a new 4MB flash card for the GX60 - don't get it from
Garmin - they want a mint.....I'll dig out where I got mine and post it
here.
Ralph
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krhooper(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 7:40 am Post subject: GX60/MX20 monthly - require Logbook entry? |
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No log requirement. The current data base will be indicated on your unit.
Randy Hooper
On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Ralph E. Capen <recapen(at)earthlink.net (recapen(at)earthlink.net)> wrote:
[quote] --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net (recapen(at)earthlink.net)>
Tim,
The cost is still astronomical! The only reason I'm doing it is I'm planning to get my IFR training and ticket in my 6A.
If you decide to start updating them on a regular basis, the first thing you'll need is a new 4MB flash card for the GX60 - don't get it from Garmin - they want a mint.....I'll dig out where I got mine and post it here.
Ralph
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timb
Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 77
Location: Frankston, Texas
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| Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 8:09 am Post subject: GX60/MX20 monthly - require Logbook entry? |
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Thanks Ralph,
I may just buy a one time update soon to get it caught back up. I am
definitely going to replace the card since I am having some reboot problems
and have heard it could be related to the card size. Also I would love to
find someone local that knows how to work the GX60 for IFR so I could get
some hands on. We got left behind for purchasing GPS training software for
the GX series. How did you figure this all out?
Tim Bryan
RV-6 Flying
N616TB over 120 hours now
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Gary.A.Sobek
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| Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 8:21 am Post subject: GX60/MX20 monthly - require Logbook entry? |
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I purchased my 4 Meg replacement card for my GX60 here:
http://www.memorydealers.com/4mbcis36serf.html
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell C
2 C174+ Flying Hours So. CA C USA
[quote] From: recapen(at)earthlink.net
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: GX60/MX20 monthly - require Logbook entry?
Date: Thu C 25 Dec 2008 10:21:38 -0500
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
Tim C
The cost is still astronomical! The only reason I'm doing it is I'm
planning to get my IFR training and ticket in my 6A.
If you decide to start updating them on a regular basis C the first thing
you'll need is a new 4MB flash card for the GX60 - don't get it from
Garmin - they want a mint.....I'll dig out where I got mine and post it
here.
Ralph
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tcervin(at)embarqmail.com
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| Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 8:34 am Post subject: GX60/MX20 monthly - require Logbook entry? |
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Is something in the aftermarket available for the Garmin 430? Those cards are also very pricey!
Thanks, Tom in Ohio
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phudes(at)ix.netcom.com
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| Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 8:44 am Post subject: GX60/MX20 monthly - require Logbook entry? |
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Gary,
Did you have to format the card or was it useable the way you
received it?
Pete Hudes
On Dec 25, 2008, at 8:20 AM, RV6 Flyer wrote:
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timb
Joined: 16 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 8:50 am Post subject: GX60/MX20 monthly - require Logbook entry? |
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Hi Gary,
I had heard some had problems with the 4MB card size. Has this worked OK for you rather than upgrading to an 8MB card.
Thanks
Tim Bryan
RV-6 Flying
N616TB over 120 hours now
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV6 Flyer
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 10:20 AM
To: RV List
Subject: RE: GX60/MX20 monthly - require Logbook entry?
I purchased my 4 Meg replacement card for my GX60 here:
http://www.memorydealers.com/4mbcis36serf.html
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
2,174+ Flying Hours So. CA, USA
> From: recapen(at)earthlink.net
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: GX60/MX20 monthly - require Logbook entry?
> Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:21:38 -0500
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> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
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> Tim,
>
> The cost is still astronomical! The only reason I'm doing it is I'm
> planning to get my IFR training and ticket in my 6A.
> If you decide to start updating them on a regular basis, the first thing
> you'll need is a new 4MB flash card for the GX60 - don't get it from
> Garmin - they want a mint.....I'll dig out where I got mine and post it
> here.
>
> Ralph
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timb
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| Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 8:50 am Post subject: GX60/MX20 monthly - require Logbook entry? |
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The card isn’t so bad, but the update service is costly.
Tim Bryan
RV-6 Flying
N616TB over 120 hours now
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Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 10:33 AM
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: GX60/MX20 monthly - require Logbook entry?
Is something in the aftermarket available for the Garmin 430? Those cards are also very pricey!
Thanks, Tom in Ohio
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n223rv(at)wolflakeairport
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| Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 9:05 am Post subject: GX60/MX20 monthly - require Logbook entry? |
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I do believe you need to have an input in your log book for the GPS update to be IFR legal, like Ralph mentions, but I do not know the exact wording.
Also, Garmin had a GX simulator on their website at one time. I do not know if it is still there or not, but I do have a copy I could send out when I return home next week if it is no longer there. It is not a training device (it will not teach you how to use it) but it does allow you to play with the different screens and stuff from your computer.
Merry Christmas to all!!
-Mike
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Gary.A.Sobek
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 9:20 am Post subject: GX60/MX20 monthly - require Logbook entry? |
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Plug it into the Jeppsen Skybound programmer and program it off the internet.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell C
2 C174+ Flying Hours So. CA C USA
[quote] From: phudes(at)ix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: GX60/MX20 monthly - require Logbook entry?
Date: Thu C 25 Dec 2008 08:42:00 -0800
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
--> RV-List message posted by: Peter Hudes <phudes(at)ix.netcom.com>
Gary C
Did you have to format the card or was it useable the way you
received it?
Pete Hudes
On Dec 25 C 2008 C at 8:20 AM C RV6 Flyer wrote:
> I purchased my 4 Meg replacement card for my GX60 here:
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> http://www.memorydealers.com/4mbcis36serf.html
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> Gary A. Sobek
> "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell C
> 2 C174+ Flying =============
Life on your PC is safer C easier C and more enjoyable with 01/' target='_new'>See how
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Gary.A.Sobek
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| Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 9:22 am Post subject: GX60/MX20 monthly - require Logbook entry? |
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Have not heard of anyone having problems with the 4 Meg cards. I know of about 6 that have gone with cards from the link I posted with NO reported problems. I got the link and then card from this list years ago when the issue of 2 Meg cards being too small first came up.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell C
2 C174+ Flying Hours So. CA C USA
From: n616tb(at)btsapps.com
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: GX60/MX20 monthly - require Logbook entry?
Date: Thu C 25 Dec 2008 10:49:02 -0600
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Hi Gary C
I had heard some had problems with the 4MB card size. Has this worked OK for you rather than upgrading to an 8MB card.
Thanks
Tim Bryan
RV-6 Flying
N616TB over 120 hours now
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV6 Flyer
Sent: Thursday C December 25 C 2008 10:20 AM
To: RV List
Subject: RE: GX60/MX20 monthly - require Logbook entry?
I purchased my 4 Meg replacement card for my GX60 here:
http://www.memorydealers.com/4mbcis36serf.html
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell C
2 C174+ Flying Hours So. CA C USA
> From: recapen(at)earthlink.net
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: GX60/MX20 monthly - require Logbook entry?
> Date: Thu C 25 Dec 2008 10:21:38 -0500
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> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
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> Tim C
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> The cost is still astronomical! The only reason I'm doing it is I'm
> planning to get my IFR training and ticket in my 6A.
> If you decide to start updating them on a regular basis C the first thing
> you'll need is a new 4MB flash card for the GX60 - don't get it from
> Garmin - they want a mint.....I'll dig out where I got mine and post it
> here.
>
> Ralph
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timb
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| Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 9:31 am Post subject: GX60/MX20 monthly - require Logbook entry? |
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Ah, maybe that was it; 2Mg rather than 4Mg.
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Tim Bryan
RV-6 Flying
N616TB over 120 hours now
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV6 Flyer
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 11:21 AM
To: RV List
Subject: RE: GX60/MX20 monthly - require Logbook entry?
Have not heard of anyone having problems with the 4 Meg cards. I know of about 6 that have gone with cards from the link I posted with NO reported problems. I got the link and then card from this list years ago when the issue of 2 Meg cards being too small first came up.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
2,174+ Flying Hours So. CA, USA
From: n616tb(at)btsapps.com
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: GX60/MX20 monthly - require Logbook entry?
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:49:02 -0600
Hi Gary,
I had heard some had problems with the 4MB card size. Has this worked OK for you rather than upgrading to an 8MB card.
Thanks
Tim Bryan
RV-6 Flying
N616TB over 120 hours now
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV6 Flyer
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 10:20 AM
To: RV List
Subject: RE: GX60/MX20 monthly - require Logbook entry?
I purchased my 4 Meg replacement card for my GX60 here:
http://www.memorydealers.com/4mbcis36serf.html
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
2,174+ Flying Hours So. CA, USA
> From: recapen(at)earthlink.net
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: GX60/MX20 monthly - require Logbook entry?
> Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:21:38 -0500
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> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
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> Tim,
>
> The cost is still astronomical! The only reason I'm doing it is I'm
> planning to get my IFR training and ticket in my 6A.
> If you decide to start updating them on a regular basis, the first thing
> you'll need is a new 4MB flash card for the GX60 - don't get it from
> Garmin - they want a mint.....I'll dig out where I got mine and post it
> here.
>
> Ralph
>
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timb
Joined: 16 Apr 2008
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Location: Frankston, Texas
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| Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 9:31 am Post subject: GX60/MX20 monthly - require Logbook entry? |
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Hmmm… the Jeppesen site shows 2MB, 4MB, or 8MB PCMCIA memory card for the GX60, but the MX20 is only listed as Compact Flash (approved style only)
I only find a 32MB and up in the PCMCIA ATA style. The link Gary provided shows a 4MB Compact Flash that would work in the MX20 and they also have an 8MB Cisco approved style for 44.00
Gary do you have an MX20?
Tim Bryan
RV-6 Flying
N616TB over 120 hours now
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Bryan
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 10:49 AM
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: GX60/MX20 monthly - require Logbook entry?
Hi Gary,
I had heard some had problems with the 4MB card size. Has this worked OK for you rather than upgrading to an 8MB card.
Thanks
Tim Bryan
RV-6 Flying
N616TB over 120 hours now
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV6 Flyer
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 10:20 AM
To: RV List
Subject: RE: GX60/MX20 monthly - require Logbook entry?
I purchased my 4 Meg replacement card for my GX60 here:
http://www.memorydealers.com/4mbcis36serf.html
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
2,174+ Flying Hours So. CA, USA
> From: recapen(at)earthlink.net
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: GX60/MX20 monthly - require Logbook entry?
> Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:21:38 -0500
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
>
> Tim,
>
> The cost is still astronomical! The only reason I'm doing it is I'm
> planning to get my IFR training and ticket in my 6A.
> If you decide to start updating them on a regular basis, the first thing
> you'll need is a new 4MB flash card for the GX60 - don't get it from
> Garmin - they want a mint.....I'll dig out where I got mine and post it
> here.
>
> Ralph
>
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| Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 11:58 am Post subject: GX60/MX20 monthly - require Logbook entry? |
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I haven't figured it all out yet - Essentially, what I did was to look for
instructions for what I wanted to do. I'm guessing that I'm not even
scratching the surface on its capabilities. I'll be looking for the
simulator software posted by Michael Kraus......
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Kellym
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| Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 2:08 pm Post subject: GX60/MX20 monthly - require Logbook entry? |
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That display on the unit does not meet the requirements of Part 43. You
need a record that meets 43.9 if you want the unit legal for IFR.
Randy Hooper wrote:
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Randy Hooper
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| Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 2:20 pm Post subject: GX60/MX20 monthly - require Logbook entry? |
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Kelly McMullen wrote:
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That display on the unit does not meet the requirements of Part 43. You
need a record that meets 43.9 if you want the unit legal for IFR.
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Is 43.9 applicable to aircraft with an experimental airworthiness
certificate?
Sam Buchanan
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Randy Hooper wrote:
> No log requirement. The current data base will be indicated on your unit.
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> Randy Hooper
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Kellym
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| Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 2:34 pm Post subject: GX60/MX20 monthly - require Logbook entry? |
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For items that have to meet a TSO, like ELTs and IFR GPSs yes.
Sam Buchanan wrote:
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Kelly McMullen wrote:
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> That display on the unit does not meet the requirements of Part 43.
> You need a record that meets 43.9 if you want the unit legal for IFR.
Is 43.9 applicable to aircraft with an experimental airworthiness
certificate?
Sam Buchanan
>
> Randy Hooper wrote:
>> No log requirement. The current data base will be indicated on your
>> unit.
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>> Randy Hooper
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Gary.A.Sobek
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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Location: SoCAL USA
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| Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 2:44 pm Post subject: GX60/MX20 monthly - require Logbook entry? |
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Negative on the MX20. Only the GX60. The SL30 does not use a data card.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell C
2 C174+ Flying Hours So. CA C USA
From: n616tb(at)btsapps.com
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: GX60/MX20 monthly - require Logbook entry?
Date: Thu C 25 Dec 2008 11:13:25 -0600
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Hmmm… the Jeppesen site shows 2MB C 4MB C or 8MB PCMCIA memory card for the GX60 C but the MX20 is only listed as Compact Flash (approved style only)
I only find a 32MB and up in the PCMCIA ATA style. The link Gary provided shows a 4MB Compact Flash that would work in the MX20 and they also have an 8MB Cisco approved style for 44.00
Gary do you have an MX20?
Tim Bryan
RV-6 Flying
N616TB over 120 hours now
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Bryan
Sent: Thursday C December 25 C 2008 10:49 AM
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: GX60/MX20 monthly - require Logbook entry?
Hi Gary C
I had heard some had problems with the 4MB card size. Has this worked OK for you rather than upgrading to an 8MB card.
Thanks
Tim Bryan
RV-6 Flying
N616TB over 120 hours now
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV6 Flyer
Sent: Thursday C December 25 C 2008 10:20 AM
To: RV List
Subject: RE: GX60/MX20 monthly - require Logbook entry?
I purchased my 4 Meg replacement card for my GX60 here:
http://www.memorydealers.com/4mbcis36serf.html
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell C
2 C174+ Flying Hours So. CA C USA
> From: recapen(at)earthlink.net
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: GX60/MX20 monthly - require Logbook entry?
> Date: Thu C 25 Dec 2008 10:21:38 -0500
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
>
> Tim C
>
> The cost is still astronomical! The only reason I'm doing it is I'm
> planning to get my IFR training and ticket in my 6A.
> If you decide to start updating them on a regular basis C the first thing
> you'll need is a new 4MB flash card for the GX60 - don't get it from
> Garmin - they want a mint.....I'll dig out where I got mine and post it
> here.
>
> Ralph
>
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