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jtayloraaf(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 9:56 am Post subject: Full PPL vs Sport Pilot License-class 2 gambit??

 Another thought . An FAA person told me some time ago that if you feel you may have a problem,go for a class 2 medical. If you pass it great. If not ask your ME if he thinks you could pass a class 3. If he says no, exam is over. You did not fail a class 3 medical. You are a Sport Pilot.   Larry Huntley KF 4-1200,Soob,500+  

anyone else have info on this approach to the dilemma some who've failed a class 3 face?  interesting idea??  john bowman, s. la bldg avid+ (fm airdale) prairieville.



 

   From: Larry Huntley <asq(at)roadrunner.com>

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 11:24:23 AM

Subject: Re: Full PPL vs Sport Pilot License



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  What I meant was that in my case, if I didn't fly the Tripacer,"why bother" ,with the medical. I will just keep flying as a SP. You are correct that if you fail the class 3,you cannot fly SP. If you fail the Class 3 and it is because of something you can fix or be treated for and get reinstated,you are home free. Next time around you can become a SP.

   Another thought . An FAA person told me some time ago that if you feel you may have a problem,go for a class 2 medical. If you pass it great. If not ask your ME if he thinks you could pass a class 3. If he says no, exam is over. You did not fail a class 3 medical. You are a Sport Pilot.   Larry Huntley KF 4-1200,Soob,500+

  

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matronics(at)bob.brennan.
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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 10:09 am Post subject: Full PPL vs Sport Pilot License-class 2 gambit??

The excellent suggestion below will only work for someone  concerned that they might fail a class 3, if you have already failed it's too  late. The regulations clearly state that you can only forego having a class 3  medical exam if your last exam (whenever it was, for instance I had 20 years  lapse since my last medical and could legally have gone SP if I thought I would  fail) was a pass. No options. Although I am very anxious for someone to step up  and prove me wrong on that one because "no options" sounds so  stupid.

  

   Bob Brennan - N717GB

 ELSA Repairman,  inspection rated.. and a valid class 3 medical certificate  :-p

 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA  Kitfox

 Rotax 582 with 3 blade  prop

 Wrightsville Pa

  

   From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of john  taylor

Sent: 26 December 2008 12:56 pm

To:  kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Full PPL vs Sport  Pilot License-class 2 gambit??

 

   Another thought . An FAA person told  me some time ago that if you feel you may have a problem,go for a class 2  medical. If you pass it great. If not ask your ME if he thinks you could pass a  class 3. If he says no, exam is over. You did not fail a class 3 medical. You  are a Sport Pilot.   Larry Huntley KF 4-1200,Soob,500+   

anyone else have info on this approach to  the dilemma some who've failed a class 3 face?  interesting idea??   john bowman, s. la bldg avid+ (fm airdale) prairieville.



 

   From: Larry Huntley  <asq(at)roadrunner.com>

To:  kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Sent:  Friday, December 26, 2008 11:24:23 AM

Subject: Re: Full PPL vs Sport  Pilot License



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  What I meant was that in my case, if I didn't  fly the Tripacer,"why bother" ,with the medical. I will just keep flying as a  SP. You are correct that if you fail the class 3,you cannot fly SP. If you fail  the Class 3 and it is because of something you can fix or be treated for and get  reinstated,you are home free. Next time around you can become a SP.

   Another thought . An FAA person told me some  time ago that if you feel you may have a problem,go for a class 2 medical. If  you pass it great. If not ask your ME if he thinks you could pass a class 3. If  he says no, exam is over. You did not fail a class 3 medical. You are a Sport  Pilot.   Larry Huntley KF 4-1200,Soob,500+

  

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MichaelGibbs(at)cox.net
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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 11:18 am Post subject: Full PPL vs Sport Pilot License-class 2 gambit??

Before trying something like this I'd make dang sure the regulation doesn't say that failing ANY FAA medical exam being disqualifying for sport pilots.

Mike G.

N728KF, Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster

Phoenix, AZ





On Dec 26, 2008, at 9:55 AM, john taylor <jtayloraaf(at)yahoo.com (jtayloraaf(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:



[quote] Another thought . An FAA person told me some time ago that if you feel you may have a problem,go for a class 2 medical. If you pass it great. If not ask your ME if he thinks you could pass a class 3. If he says no, exam is over. You did not fail a class 3 medical. You are a Sport Pilot.   Larry Huntley KF 4-1200,Soob,500+  

anyone else have info on this approach to the dilemma some who've failed a class 3 face?  interesting idea??  john bowman, s. la bldg avid+ (fm airdale) prairieville.



 

   From: Larry Huntley <asq(at)roadrunner.com (asq(at)roadrunner.com)>

To: [url=mailto:kitfox-list(at)matronics.com]kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com)[/url]

Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 11:24:23 AM

Subject: Re: Full PPL vs Sport Pilot License



   Sorry Bob,

  What I meant was that in my case, if I didn't fly the Tripacer,"why bother" ,with the medical. I will just keep flying as a SP. You are correct that if you fail the class 3,you cannot fly SP. If you fail the Class 3 and it is because of something you can fix or be treated for and get reinstated,you are home free. Next time around you can become a SP.

   Another thought . An FAA person told me some time ago that if you feel you may have a problem,go for a class 2 medical. If you pass it great. If not ask your ME if he thinks you could pass a class 3. If he says no, exam is over. You did not fail a class 3 medical. You are a Sport Pilot.   Larry Huntley KF 4-1200,Soob,500+

  

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matronics(at)bob.brennan.
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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 11:49 am Post subject: Full PPL vs Sport Pilot License-class 2 gambit??

Just to be clear - a 2nd class (commercial pilot) medical  is stricter to get than 3rd class (private pilot). 1st class (ATP) is of course  the strictest. I believe there are plenty of professional pilots that downgrade  their job from ATP to Commercial if/when they can't get a 1st class certificate,  and enjoy the privileges of being a private pilot if/when they can't qualify for  a 2nd class. The problem is there doesn't seem to be a "downgrade" path from 3rd  class Private Pilot to Sport Pilot if you fail your 3rd class test. You can  "fail" the 3rd class requirements and still be a Sport Pilot, just don't fail  the exam! Most other "downgrades" occur when the pilot in fact does fail the  stricter test but meets the requirements of the next step down and passes that  test.

  

 According to the wording of the FAA statement it appears  that a pilot can fail a 1st or 2nd class medical but if he can pass a 3rd class  once he is ok to be a Sport Pilot forever as long as he/she holds a valid  drivers license.

  

 Also - passing a 2nd class medical, I believe, includes all  of the privileges of a 3rd class already. So you can be an ATP or commercial  pilot during the week and a private pilot on weekends without multiple medicals.  The advice below is good - if you can pass a class 2 (a lot more expensive  though I'm sure) go for it, you already have class 3 included. If you fail  I'm sure any self-respecting AME will advise you if you qualify for a class 3  and issue that.

  

 But I also think Mike's statement below is true - let's say  you have a class 1 and fail and are told you can't even get a class 3, I suspect  you then also can't be a Sport Pilot. The trick is to find an AME that will not  document the failure, it's ok to let a medical of any class expire - as long as  it's valid when it does you can be a Sport Pilot.

  

 Just like my dizzy friend with the "did you ever black  out?" on his record, you can't take a failure back even if it was  justifiable. You can fight it of course, but good luck with  that!

  

   Bob Brennan - N717GB

 ELSA Repairman, inspection  rated

 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA  Kitfox

 Rotax 582 with 3 blade  prop

 Wrightsville  Pa



   From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael  Gibbs

Sent: 26 December 2008 2:17 pm

To:  kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Full PPL vs Sport  Pilot License-class 2 gambit??

 

 Before trying something like this I'd make dang sure the regulation doesn't  say that failing ANY FAA medical exam being disqualifying for sport  pilots.

 



 Mike G.

 N728KF, Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster

 Phoenix, AZ



 

On Dec 26, 2008, at 9:55 AM, john taylor <jtayloraaf(at)yahoo.com (jtayloraaf(at)yahoo.com)>  wrote:

 

 [quote]          Another thought . An FAA person told    me some time ago that if you feel you may have a problem,go for a class 2    medical. If you pass it great. If not ask your ME if he thinks you could pass    a class 3. If he says no, exam is over. You did not fail a class 3 medical.    You are a Sport Pilot.   Larry Huntley KF 4-1200,Soob,500+     

anyone else have info on this approach to    the dilemma some who've failed a class 3 face?  interesting idea??     john bowman, s. la bldg avid+ (fm airdale) prairieville.



   

         From: Larry Huntley <asq(at)roadrunner.com (asq(at)roadrunner.com)>

To: [url=mailto:kitfox-list(at)matronics.com]kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com)[/url]

Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 11:24:23    AM

Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:    Full PPL vs Sport Pilot License



   Sorry Bob,

    What I meant was that in my case, if I    didn't fly the Tripacer,"why bother" ,with the medical. I will just keep    flying as a SP. You are correct that if you fail the class 3,you cannot fly    SP. If you fail the Class 3 and it is because of something you can fix or be    treated for and get reinstated,you are home free. Next time around you can    become a SP.

     Another thought . An FAA person told me    some time ago that if you feel you may have a problem,go for a class 2    medical. If you pass it great. If not ask your ME if he thinks you could pass    a class 3. If he says no, exam is over. You did not fail a class 3 medical.    You are a Sport Pilot.   Larry Huntley KF    4-1200,Soob,500+

    

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