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tjennings(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 8:16 am Post subject: L29-List:

Where is DWA?  And what about those who don't have a jet but are

interested in the L-29?



 - Trevor

On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Colyergreg <colyergreg(at)aol.com> wrote:

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		   In fact, everybody come!



 Sent from my iPhone,

 Greg



 On Dec 31, 2008, at 11:48 AM, Colyergreg <colyergreg(at)aol.com> wrote:



 John

   I'm hosting a jet blast in may. I hope you can

 Make it. It will be may 15-17th. At DWA.

 Sent from my iPhone,

 Greg



 On Dec 31, 2008, at 11:36 AM, "John Cabrera" <propblast(at)earthlink.net>

 wrote:



 Happy Holidays to all out in the L-29 community.



 The list has been very quiet lately.....   Maybe this will get something

 going.



 I am starting to make my air show schedule plans for next year and I am

 taking stock of what I need, wish list, ect.



 Does anyone out there have a set of tires they are willing to part with?



 I am also looking for a set of drop tanks.  If anyone wants to get rid of a

 set for $500 please contact me at my e-mail bellow.

 John F. Cabrera



 propblast(at)earthlink.net

bculberson(at)staraviatio
Guest

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 8:22 am Post subject: L29-List:

Interested in??? As in wanting to buy one? Fly one?



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tjennings(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 8:41 am Post subject: L29-List:

Both, but for now just to see what they are like to fly. I've never

seen one for real but have read up on the Delfin quite some time ago.

I read that you need 1000 hours or more flying experience to solo one

(I have approximately 200 with a ppl). My goal one day is to own one.



 - Trevor

On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 11:24 AM, Bill Culberson

<bculberson(at)staraviation.com> wrote:

[quote] 



 Interested in??? As in wanting to buy one? Fly one?



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bculberson(at)staraviatio
Guest

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:36 am Post subject: L29-List:

Very straight forward, pretty easy to fly. If you have heavy twin

experience. Keeping up with engine RPM is the biggest challenge...too

slow without sufficient RPM can get you in trouble, the engine takes too

long to spool up.



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colyergreg(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:40 am Post subject: L29-List:

DWA is yolo county, Davis California you can register at www.t33heritagefoundation.org 

  or from the cjaa web site in a week or so. If your interested in  

classic jets attend!

Sent from my iPhone,

Greg

On Dec 31, 2008, at 12:24 PM, "Bill Culberson" <bculberson(at)staraviation.com 

 > wrote:

[quote] 

 >

 Interested in??? As in wanting to buy one? Fly one?

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RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:46 am Post subject: L29-List:

Trevor me and you are in same boat. I'd give my eye  teeth for one. But I am too deep already on a Mustang II kitplane, and may never  have the 1000 hours OR the IFR rating. I wish they would drop the IFR  requirement. Here's why: I don't fly long distances, nor do I fly at night, or  for long periods of time. I fly when I want, for fun in the daylight. I am  definitely a fair weather flier. My intentions for an L-29 is to fly locally,  for an hour or two at a time. I know and understand the dangers of getting into  IMC, and respect those who have the training, and ability to fly IFR. But for  me, I could not fly enough to be a safe, proficient IFR pilot. So, an IFR rating  is more likely to cause me to get into IMC, and not come out! My two cents  worth. So for the immediate future, I am going to enjoy my Mustang II once  complete, and dream of an L-29...........

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colyergreg(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:52 am Post subject: L29-List:

For your type rating you need the instrument and 1000tt

But to solo you. Only need private and can

Be signed off. If you can fly a bonanza you

Can fly a '29...and they are cheap now, flying

Examples can be had for about 30k



Sent from my iPhone,

Greg



On Dec 31, 2008, at 1:44 PM, RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com (RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com) wrote:



[quote]      Trevor me and you are in same boat. I'd give my eye  teeth for one. But I am too deep already on a Mustang II kitplane, and may never  have the 1000 hours OR the IFR rating. I wish they would drop the IFR  requirement. Here's why: I don't fly long distances, nor do I fly at night, or  for long periods of time. I fly when I want, for fun in the daylight. I am  definitely a fair weather flier. My intentions for an L-29 is to fly locally,  for an hour or two at a time. I know and understand the dangers of getting into  IMC, and respect those who have the training, and ability to fly IFR. But for  me, I could not fly enough to be a safe, proficient IFR pilot. So, an IFR rating  is more likely to cause me to get into IMC, and not come out! My two cents  worth. So for the immediate future, I am going to enjoy my Mustang II once  complete, and dream of an L-29...........

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bculberson(at)staraviatio
Guest

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 11:02 am Post subject: L29-List:

Well, the IFR rating is not really for IMC flying in the L-29. The FAA’s position (as described to me by my instructor) is more a level of competency plus better instrument scanning. Keeping track of airspeeds in decent and engine indication is a key part of flying the L-29. The good news is that the engine just keeps running and running and running…..as long as there is fuel. Very low maintenance requirements are really one of the best things about the L-29.   

   

By the way, you won’t fly an L-29 for “an hour or two”, you will find that 20-30 minutes will check the box without tearing up your checkbook. Takeoff, 10 min jet acro, Simulated Flame Out recovery to the pattern and your ready to land and get out. I took mine to Oshkosh this year, and while fun, it was pretty hard on the butt flying that far.   

         

  

From: owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com

 Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 11:45 AM

 To: l29-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: L29-List:  

  

     

    Trevor me and you are in same boat. I'd give my eye teeth for one. But I am too deep already on a Mustang II kitplane, and may never have the 1000 hours OR the IFR rating. I wish they would drop the IFR requirement. Here's why: I don't fly long distances, nor do I fly at night, or for long periods of time. I fly when I want, for fun in the daylight. I am definitely a fair weather flier. My intentions for an L-29 is to fly locally, for an hour or two at a time. I know and understand the dangers of getting into IMC, and respect those who have the training, and ability to fly IFR. But for me, I could not fly enough to be a safe, proficient IFR pilot. So, an IFR rating is more likely to cause me to get into IMC, and not come out! My two cents worth. So for the immediate future, I am going to enjoy my Mustang II once complete, and dream of an L-29...........  

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paulhath(at)COMCAST.NET
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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 5:52 pm Post subject: L29-List:

tjennings(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 6:12 pm Post subject: L29-List:

Thats fair enough. I plan on doing the IFR someday anyway. At the

moment I'm in the process of building a Zodiac CH650 but definitely

want to see what the L-29 is like.



Whats the approximate cost per hour to run one of those birds anyway?



 - Trevor

On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Bill Culberson

<bculberson(at)staraviation.com> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Well, the IFR rating is not really for IMC flying in the L-29. The FAA's

 position (as described to me by my instructor) is more a level of competency

 plus better instrument scanning. Keeping track of airspeeds in decent and

 engine indication is a key part of flying the L-29. The good news is that

 the engine just keeps running and running and running…..as long as there is

 fuel. Very low maintenance requirements are really one of the best things

 about the L-29.



 By the way, you won't fly an L-29 for "an hour or two", you will find that

 20-30 minutes will check the box without tearing up your checkbook. Takeoff,

 10 min jet acro, Simulated Flame Out recovery to the pattern and your ready

 to land and get out. I took mine to Oshkosh this year, and while fun, it was

 pretty hard on the butt flying that far.



 ________________________________



 From: owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com

 [mailto:owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com

 Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 11:45 AM



 To: l29-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: L29-List:



     Trevor me and you are in same boat. I'd give my eye teeth for one. But I

 am too deep already on a Mustang II kitplane, and may never have the 1000

 hours OR the IFR rating. I wish they would drop the IFR requirement. Here's

 why: I don't fly long distances, nor do I fly at night, or for long periods

 of time. I fly when I want, for fun in the daylight. I am definitely a fair

 weather flier. My intentions for an L-29 is to fly locally, for an hour or

 two at a time. I know and understand the dangers of getting into IMC, and

 respect those who have the training, and ability to fly IFR. But for me, I

 could not fly enough to be a safe, proficient IFR pilot. So, an IFR rating

 is more likely to cause me to get into IMC, and not come out! My two cents

 worth. So for the immediate future, I am going to enjoy my Mustang II once

 complete, and dream of an L-29...........



 http://www.matronics.com/contribution



  http://www.matronics.com/contribution

colyergreg(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 6:44 pm Post subject: L29-List:

Just the fuel pretty much. I had mine for 4 years and just fueled and  

flew. Insurance was $1300 a year plus tie down or hanger



Sent from my iPhone,

Greg

On Dec 31, 2008, at 10:11 PM, "Trevor Jennings" <tjennings(at)gmail.com>  

wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 <tjennings(at)gmail.com>



 Thats fair enough. I plan on doing the IFR someday anyway. At the

 moment I'm in the process of building a Zodiac CH650 but definitely

 want to see what the L-29 is like.



 Whats the approximate cost per hour to run one of those birds anyway?



 - Trevor

 On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Bill Culberson

 <bculberson(at)staraviation.com> wrote:

> Well, the IFR rating is not really for IMC flying in the L-29. The  

> FAA's

> position (as described to me by my instructor) is more a level of  

> competency

> plus better instrument scanning. Keeping track of airspeeds in  

> decent and

> engine indication is a key part of flying the L-29. The good news  

> is that

> the engine just keeps running and running and runningâ€¦..as long as 

>  there is

> fuel. Very low maintenance requirements are really one of the best  

> things

> about the L-29.

>

> By the way, you won't fly an L-29 for "an hour or two", you will  

> find that

> 20-30 minutes will check the box without tearing up your checkbook.  

> Takeoff,

> 10 min jet acro, Simulated Flame Out recovery to the pattern and  

> your ready

> to land and get out. I took mine to Oshkosh this year, and while  

> fun, it was

> pretty hard on the butt flying that far.

>

> ________________________________

>

> From: owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com

> [mailto:owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com

> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 11:45 AM

>

> To: l29-list(at)matronics.com

> Subject: Re: L29-List:

>

>    Trevor me and you are in same boat. I'd give my eye teeth for  

> one. But I

> am too deep already on a Mustang II kitplane, and may never have  

> the 1000

> hours OR the IFR rating. I wish they would drop the IFR  

> requirement. Here's

> why: I don't fly long distances, nor do I fly at night, or for long  

> periods

> of time. I fly when I want, for fun in the daylight. I am  

> definitely a fair

> weather flier. My intentions for an L-29 is to fly locally, for an  

> hour or

> two at a time. I know and understand the dangers of getting into  

> IMC, and

> respect those who have the training, and ability to fly IFR. But  

> for me, I

> could not fly enough to be a safe, proficient IFR pilot. So, an IFR  

> rating

> is more likely to cause me to get into IMC, and not come out! My  

> two cents

> worth. So for the immediate future, I am going to enjoy my Mustang  

> II once

> complete, and dream of an L-29...........

>

> http://www.matronics.com/contribution

>

> http://www.matronics.com/contribution

>

bculberson(at)staraviatio
Guest

Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 1:15 am Post subject: L29-List:

Well, as you read, the L-29 can be had for 30K. Insurance (liabiality) is 2km the bad news is that the L-29 burns 160 gallons an hour of at least K-1 or jet-A. Right now I'm paying 2.25/gal K-1, so you can do the math....that's why you fly 20-30 minutes at a time....I did today, it was awesome....

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 Sent using BlackBerry

 

 

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RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 4:46 am Post subject: L29-List:

$1300/yr? Wow that's great! If anyone hear asked me, I would have guessed  at $5,000 a yr to insure a former military jet trainer! Shows what I know!

  

 Boyce

  

  In a message dated 12/31/2008 9:44:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  colyergreg(at)aol.com writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		  -->    L29-List message posted by: Colyergreg <colyergreg(at)aol.com>



Just    the fuel pretty much. I had mine for 4 years and just fueled and     

flew. Insurance was $1300 a year plus tie down or hanger



Sent from    my iPhone,

Greg

On Dec 31, 2008, at 10:11 PM, "Trevor Jennings"    <tjennings(at)gmail.com>  

wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   --> L29-List    message posted by: "Trevor Jennings"  

    <tjennings(at)gmail.com>



 Thats fair enough. I plan on doing    the IFR someday anyway. At the

 moment I'm in the process of building a    Zodiac CH650 but definitely

 want to see what the L-29 is    like.



 Whats the approximate cost per hour to run one of those    birds anyway?



 - Trevor

 On Wed, Dec 31,    2008 at 2:02 PM, Bill Culberson

 <bculberson(at)staraviation.com>    wrote:

> Well, the IFR rating is not really for IMC flying in the    L-29. The  

> FAA's

> position (as described to me by    my instructor) is more a level of  

> competency

>    plus better instrument scanning. Keeping track of airspeeds in     

> decent and

> engine indication is a key part of flying    the L-29. The good news  

> is that

> the engine just    keeps running and running and runningâ€¦..as long as 

>  there    is

> fuel. Very low maintenance requirements are really one of the    best  

> things

> about the    L-29.

>

> By the way, you won't    fly an L-29 for "an hour or two", you will  

> find    that

> 20-30 minutes will check the box without tearing up your    checkbook.  

> Takeoff,

> 10 min jet acro, Simulated    Flame Out recovery to the pattern and  

> your    ready

> to land and get out. I took mine to Oshkosh this year, and    while  

> fun, it was

> pretty hard on the butt    flying that far.

>

>    ________________________________

>

> From:    owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com

>    [mailto:owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of    RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com

> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 11:45    AM

>

> To: l29-list(at)matronics.com

> Subject: Re:    L29-List:

>

>    Trevor    me and you are in same boat. I'd give my eye teeth for  

> one.    But I

> am too deep already on a Mustang II kitplane, and may never    have  

> the 1000

> hours OR the IFR rating. I wish    they would drop the IFR  

> requirement. Here's

>    why: I don't fly long distances, nor do I fly at night, or for long     

> periods

> of time. I fly when I want, for fun in the    daylight. I am  

> definitely a fair

> weather flier.    My intentions for an L-29 is to fly locally, for an  

> hour    or

> two at a time. I know and understand the dangers of getting    into  

> IMC, and

> respect those who have the    training, and ability to fly IFR. But  

> for me, I

>    could not fly enough to be a safe, proficient IFR pilot. So, an IFR     

> rating

> is more likely to cause me to get into IMC,    and not come out! My  

> two cents

> worth. So for    the immediate future, I am going to enjoy my Mustang  

> II    once

> complete, and dream of an    L-29...........

>

>    http://www.matronics.com/contribution

>

>    http://www.matronics.com/contribution

>




	


	


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colyergreg(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 7:15 am Post subject: L29-List:

160 gallons is nothing to me now..... I wish I still had that burn. I sold my '29 and bought a T-33, now I'm 300 an hour! Ouch! 



Sent from my iPhone,

Greg



On Jan 1, 2009, at 5:16 AM, "Bill Culberson" <bculberson(at)staraviation.com (bculberson(at)staraviation.com)> wrote:



[quote]    

Well, as you read, the L-29 can be had for 30K. Insurance (liabiality) is 2km the bad news is that the L-29 burns 160 gallons an hour of at least K-1 or jet-A. Right now I'm paying 2.25/gal K-1, so you can do the math....that's why you fly 20-30 minutes at a time....I did today, it was awesome....

 --------------------------

 Sent using BlackBerry

 

 

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tjennings(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:24 am Post subject: L29-List:

And I thought 160gallons an hour was bad enough!!



Is there anyone here with a L-29 that is in or close to Maine?



Also happy new year!



 - Trevor

On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Colyergreg <colyergreg(at)aol.com> wrote:

[quote] 160 gallons is nothing to me now..... I wish I still had that burn. I sold

 my '29 and bought a T-33, now I'm 300 an hour! Ouch!



 Sent from my iPhone,

 Greg



 On Jan 1, 2009, at 5:16 AM, "Bill Culberson" <bculberson(at)staraviation.com>

 wrote:



 Well, as you read, the L-29 can be had for 30K. Insurance (liabiality) is

 2km the bad news is that the L-29 burns 160 gallons an hour of at least K-1

 or jet-A. Right now I'm paying 2.25/gal K-1, so you can do the

 math....that's why you fly 20-30 minutes at a time....I did today, it was

 awesome....

 --------------------------

 Sent using BlackBerry

 ---

bculberson(at)staraviatio
Guest

Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 11:26 am Post subject: L29-List:

Mines about 3K for liability and 3K for A/C coverage....who are you insured through for the 1.3K???

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bculberson(at)staraviatio
Guest

Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 11:28 am Post subject: L29-List:

That's pretty cool, is it worth it? My dad flew T birds in the AF, I've always liked them...

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colyergreg(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 1:19 pm Post subject: L29-List:

I must say yes. As soon as I flew one I knew I needed one. That was my  

only mistake was flying one the first time.

Actually, Ive done good as it has the range and capacity to travel far  

1350 nm range, and airshiws want it. So I've been able to fly a lot  

without buying fuel. 500nm and i usually land at home with what i took  

with or more...And it has more than twice the performance. 400kts and  

5-6000 ft climb

Sent from my iPhone,

Greg

On Jan 1, 2009, at 3:29 PM, "Bill Culberson" <bculberson(at)staraviation.com 

 > wrote:

colyergreg(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 1:23 pm Post subject: L29-List:

Check it out at www.t33heritagefoundation.org



Sent from my iPhone,

Greg

On Jan 1, 2009, at 3:29 PM, "Bill Culberson" <bculberson(at)staraviation.com 

 > wrote:

colyergreg(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 1:25 pm Post subject: L29-List:

I went through falcon via eaa warbirds insurance...the first year it was like $1380 then it went down to right at $1300 



Sent from my iPhone,

Greg



On Jan 1, 2009, at 3:27 PM, "Bill Culberson" <bculberson(at)staraviation.com (bculberson(at)staraviation.com)> wrote:



[quote]    

Mines about 3K for liability and 3K for A/C coverage....who are you insured through for the 1.3K???

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 Sent using BlackBerry

 

 

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